Fran: "There are agents actually shopping mid major players BEFORE they go into the portal."
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Isn’t this what people wanted, including JBo. The same people that supported this are the same people that are astonished it isn’t fair.
Why does a player need to be in the portal before they can negotiate with a third party? It’s not a school that they’re negotiating with. This is the free market people asked for!
Why does a player need to be in the portal before they can negotiate with a third party? It’s not a school that they’re negotiating with. This is the free market people asked for!
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Kids are supposed to enter the portal BEFORE they or their "representatives" contact anyone or BEFORE any school contacts them. But, of course, this does not happen because there are no consequences when it happens.
I don't think people wanted pay for play and college sports essentially becoming professional leagues
But in the NFL and NBA, you can't become a free agent after just one year. In college, you can.
There are no rules or guard rails.
Hell, not even sure if kids are getting their degrees any more.
Student-athletes. Funny.
Fire the ncaa, start over with something new.
They are supposed to be in the portal before they contact a school, yes. But why would they need to be in a portal before they make contact with third party representatives to maximize their NIL? That’s just basic free market NIL. The NIL deals aren’t tied to playing X amount of basketball games for X school. I mean, we all know that’s basically what the NIL deals are, but that’s why the entire premise was flawed from the beginning. This is what people wanted though
So shoot the agents.....
If you think the NCAA has any control over any of this, you are sorely mistaken.
No, we are all aware they lost control sometime in the 1960's.
You would be surprised at how many think the NCAA should hold institutions accountable.
So you are saying that the system was as bad from 1960s on as it is now?
I disagree.
The SCOTUS ruled against that system 2 years ago which rendered the NCAA powerless to restrain trade at all.
Some suggest that the NCAA could have headed this off by allowing NIL years ago but I don't see it.
Nothing would have kept them from suing to get where we are now anyway.
The portal/immediate eligibility/NIL are a deadly combo that will kill the golden goose.
Too bad.
So, you are ok with a player being in touch with collectives from other schools, determining who has the best NIL deal, then entering the transfer pool and then signing with that school who had the best NIL deal?
Is this how NIL was supposed to work?
This is what people wanted?
I didn’t say I’m okay with it, I just said this is how it was meant to work. And the same people that are mad about how it works are mostly the same people that pushed for it.
The #NotNCAAProperty movement was for third parties to pay players. A collective is a third party, it’s not affiliated with the school. It’s not the school that’s contacting players on rosters, it’s third parties. NIL was established to do exactly that - allow third parties to contact anyone on any roster and offer them a contract for their NIL. So yes, this is exactly how NIL was supposed to work.
I’m sure Fran’s agent listened to what ND had to say this off-season while Fran was still the coach at Iowa!
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Now that it is above board means more money for the players as you have more bidders. It also means a team can rise faster if a coach leaves. So there are some good things and some bad things.
It is?
Fran pushed for it? Fans pushed for it?
A player was supposed to be signed and on campus BEFORE signing NIL deals. Then the rules (if there are any) started getting bent, which has led to where we are today.
So, I disagree; what is happening now is clearly NOT how NIL was supposed to work.
According to who? LeBron’s son can’t sign with Nike until he’s on a college campus? The NCAA had to leave it up to the states after the Supreme Court decision. Literally every state with an NIL law allows athletes to hire an agent so they can do exactly what Fran is mad about
Surprise, surprise, are we surprised in the least!!!!
And I will say it again, all the legal decisions around NIL are for players making money from their college playing experience. High schoolers do not have college playing experience so any money given to high schoolers by collectives, boosters, or agents that are connected to a college team should be blatantly illegal and considered as pay for play. NIL is Pay from playing.
Well Fran, right or wrong that's today's game. Either play it, of get out of the way.
There is a big difference between a JBo getting NIL contracts while playing at the UI vs a JBo who has NIL for his Iowa playing time also having agents actively seeking out other coaches or other schools NIL reps so JBo can jump teams. It has always been tampering and illegal by the NCAA. It is no different than once you get an agent to work with a pro team then you are done playing your college sport, iirc.
I don't know about you all, but when I am looking for a new job I generally apply, interview and shop around before I ever even tell my current bosses I am looking--I've even had other companies approach me with offers when I wasn't looking. And guess what? By all accounts that's exactly what Fran did this past season by approaching Notre Dame for the job--it's a 2 way street.
I know that there's some thought to try and hold onto what used to be, but the reality is that college athletes are just doing what 90% of American adults do every year with their employment. The easiest fix is to get a collective bargaining deal done with revenue sharing so that way the college athletes actually have to sign enforceable contracts similar to what professional sports leagues have. It still wouldn't eliminate NIL--(pro athletes have "NIL" deals too with their endorsements), but it might make the portal a bit slower.
I know that there's some thought to try and hold onto what used to be, but the reality is that college athletes are just doing what 90% of American adults do every year with their employment. The easiest fix is to get a collective bargaining deal done with revenue sharing so that way the college athletes actually have to sign enforceable contracts similar to what professional sports leagues have. It still wouldn't eliminate NIL--(pro athletes have "NIL" deals too with their endorsements), but it might make the portal a bit slower.
So by your logic, a Bball player at Dayton Univ who does or doesnt have a NIL deal, who is not in the portal, is FREE and able to contact the IOWA Swarm collective to set up a NIL deal if they can later enter the portal and an Iowa coach will give them a scholarship. That is not right and that is what Fran was talking about, agents shopping players who are not yet in the portal.
If the Dayton player already has a NIL deal and wants to do other NIL deals that are not done with a payor who is connected to a university then that is fine.
Yes, the so-called collective bargaining agreement is basically what others have been talking about for decades as a way to pay college athletes something. I have always been for that, as even $200 a month would be good for players in sports where they practice year around and dont get summer jobs.
just make everything a contract.. then allow schools to trade contracts.. and put a cap on the money that goes out to contracts.
you should even have a draft for them coming out of high school to sign a contract
you should even have a draft for them coming out of high school to sign a contract
What I have also read is the NCAA is just not taking action because they do not want to be sued multiple times.
NIKE is not a collective or a booster for a specific school. There needs to be transparency in who the people who are giving the NIL are connected to. There is a difference. Now if a NIKE deal leads to going to Oregon then who knows.
Then they should be ineligible. Someone can pay N.I.L. money for them to be on the bench.
So it's get a money deal somewhere, then we'll introduce to a local coach to see if they want you to play? That's how you see it?
JBo was the poster child for NIL in its infancy.......
Shopping mid-major players is the tip of the ice berg of shady stuff that's going on........
When I wrote that a player was supposed to be signed and on campus BEFORE signing NIL deals and then the rules (if there are any) started getting bent, which has led to where we are today, I was talking about the NIL deals that the school's collectives are offering.
There clearly was tampering when it came to CJ Fredrick .
But, it appears anything goes right now.
People wanted athletes to be treated as employees because they make so much money for their schools. Employees don't have to quit their job before looking for or interviewing for a new one. It's already out of control. Might as well blow up the system. Part of that should also include schools being afforded the right to "fire" their employees that are underperforming.
Multiple credible reporters wrote that Fran approached Notre Dame about their job opening? Links to those reports, please.
Correct, that is exactly what the NIL law in every state allows each player to do, contract with third parties like the Iowa Swarm. The law does not allow the contracts to be pay for play - but this is exactly what they are. If you couldn’t see this coming from a mile away when NIL was being pushed, then I have no sympathy for people like Fran that want to complain about it now.
You want there to be a difference, because it’s clear where the money is coming from, but there isn’t. The Iowa Swarm can’t pay for play, so they pay the athletes to do and promote certain things in the community. Nike can’t pay for play so they pay athletes to promote their brand.
Listen, I agree with you, it’s flawed, but what did people expect
People didn't want it - players did. Until a scholarship becomes a binding contract with legal ramifications for breaking its "rules" and until there is a body that can actually enforce such rules, there is absolutely nothing that can be done to stop it all. It's the wild west. It will get far worse. And no, I don't think the NCAA wants any part of trying to "litigate" the rules of scholarships any more.
I take it back - I'm sure there were some "people" who wanted it too.
Exactly what I would have posted! Fran....or Kirk for that matter, can be righteously indignant all they want, but you can either play the game and be competitive, or don't play the game and be an also-ran.
