I don't think it's even debatable that Iowa football, basketball, and wrestling will be better off next year due to the portal and NIL than they would have been without those systems in place. Coaches basically get a "do over" on recruiting as long as your boosters have money to offer players.
Fran: "There are agents actually shopping mid major players BEFORE they go into the portal."
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Not to burst your bubble but this has been happening for a decade or more. People's AAU coaches or high school coaches used to be the intermediary. Now it's guys trying to maximize how much these guys can get from NIL funds.
This video of a SWARM event in Dallas clearly shows Fran is all in when it comes to NIL. But that doesn't mean he's wrong when he says there should be guard rails in place.
Fran can do what he thinks is right, but if everyone else is doing more and not breaking any rules by doing it (even if Fran thinks it's wrong), he's going to come out on the losing end of games more often than not.
Players are going to go where they can get the most money. If Iowa doesn't pony up (within the rules, if there are any), then the program isn't going to succeed.
Players are going to go where they can get the most money. If Iowa doesn't pony up (within the rules, if there are any), then the program isn't going to succeed.
I'm not going to link premium subscription content to just satisfy your question, but Fran wanted the Notre Dame job and didn't get it. I don't know why that would be a surprise to anyone.
Well, you said multiple credible reporters wrote that Fran approached Notre Dame about their job opening. And now you are saying Fran wanted out of Iowa City. You are the first I have heard say both of these things. Fran wanting out of Iowa City likely would be a surprise to several since he is 63 and from all reports loves Iowa City and loves coaching in the B1G.
If you want to read the reports, get a subscription to the site that the former operators of this site moved to. Or get a subscription to a site that allows you to read Notre Dame beat writers. Not everything is posted publicly to free sites.
I am not buying your claim that Fran wanted out of Iowa City.
Some other factors:
* Fran has incredible job security at Iowa. He would not have that at ND.
* The Des Moines Register reported that Fran and Mike Brey are good friends and that they share the same agent. Notre Dame forced Mike Brey out. The ND AD initially lied & said Mike was retiring. Then Mike came out with the truth. This is exactly what happened to Tom Davis. Do you really think Fran would want to work for a guy like that?
I don't think so,,,1990s maybe. The NCAA for decades was a very authoritative organization that ruled college sports and TV money with an Iron fist....but did play favorites, and if you dared challenged them, a coach or University would be on their witch-hunt list from then on....ask Jerry Tarkanian.
Some problems (not all) with NIL stuff could be solved if players had to sit a year after transferring. The sniffing around for the best deal every year would slow down a bit.
1 transfer should be free, i.e., players can play immediately at new school.
A second transfer should cost you a year unless the coach leaves for a new school.
1 transfer should be free, i.e., players can play immediately at new school.
A second transfer should cost you a year unless the coach leaves for a new school.
Mulitple credible sources are not those that are found on pay subscription message boards.
It wasn't fans posting these FWIW. It's fine if folks want to choose to not believe that. I really don't care if people do or don't.
You gave a **** enough to respond to this thread
Nice. I have nothing else to add to this conversation except im proud of myself for figuring that out. Carry on
I was wondering the same thing. Never seen a article about that.
I’m ok with it. Do people notify their boss they’re going to check out other jobs? If you’re going to allow the freedom to move from school to school, who cares about the portal. There’s no difference than announcing it on twitter.
What was it originally intended to be? People are acting like there was intention behind this. We went from having athletes have no ability to earn money off of their name, image, and likeness to being able to do anything related to it due to the supreme court decision. There was no intention or control in that decision.
There may not been "intention" but there should've been.
The players should ONLY be able to get monetary compensation from the Name-Image-Likeness ...literally. Not by becoming "free agents"to be sold to the highest bidder.
In other words, give them a cut of the profits on any video games/merchandise using their NIL and give them a cut of the tv/media profits collected by their school.
That's it.
None of this other nonsense.
"Hey kid, come here and we'll make sure you get a $1M contract as a spokesman for the local car dealership"
or
"Our NIL fund is at $10M and we'll guarantee you 2% of that every semester you're enrolled here"
Complete b.s.
The players should ONLY be able to get monetary compensation from the Name-Image-Likeness ...literally. Not by becoming "free agents"to be sold to the highest bidder.
In other words, give them a cut of the profits on any video games/merchandise using their NIL and give them a cut of the tv/media profits collected by their school.
That's it.
None of this other nonsense.
"Hey kid, come here and we'll make sure you get a $1M contract as a spokesman for the local car dealership"
or
"Our NIL fund is at $10M and we'll guarantee you 2% of that every semester you're enrolled here"
Complete b.s.
I asked someone I know who subscribes to 24/7; he said he had not seen anything stating (1) Fran approached Notre Dame about their job opening and (2) Fran wanted out of Iowa City.
I guess when people say anything goes, it's literally true. I am not even sure what an NCAA violation is anymore.
Oh, well.
What happens if an agent contacts a player in the portal, offers him money to stay at his current school to boost the players future value?
It's pretty obvious that this is going on.
The NCAA has 2 choices:
1. If they have the legal footing to enforce their "no contact until you are in the portal".... Start investigating and hand out eligibility punishments to players/teams. Players know the rules, so hand out stiff playing eligibility punishments for violating.
2. Just eliminate the no-contact rule, so the teams that follow the rules aren't at a disadvantage.
I'm guessing the NCAA will go with option 3.... Status quo. Keep the rule but don't enforce a damn thing.
The NCAA has 2 choices:
1. If they have the legal footing to enforce their "no contact until you are in the portal".... Start investigating and hand out eligibility punishments to players/teams. Players know the rules, so hand out stiff playing eligibility punishments for violating.
2. Just eliminate the no-contact rule, so the teams that follow the rules aren't at a disadvantage.
I'm guessing the NCAA will go with option 3.... Status quo. Keep the rule but don't enforce a damn thing.
Once they opened things up to being paid for "NIL" by anyone outside the university, all bets were off. There's no controlling the $$$ amount or the the "reason" they are being paid.
I think the only course of action is requiring that you stay at a school for 2 years after arriving as a freshman and then have penalties for multiple transfers.
Allow contact with players before they enter the portal. Too hard to enforce the current rule.... the NCAA is doing JACK about it anyway. So let the ALL teams do the same thing, instead of rewarding the current CHEATERS
Can't happen,.. once a player is in the portal he/she has cut ties with their original school.
Personally, I think blaming the NCAA for this mess is kinda like blaming the police for an alien invasion. No one seems to know what to do right now.
The ease of player movement has gone from "somewhat restrictive" to anything goes. Teams have to rebuild their roster every year. Money has gone from under the table to the light of day (sort of).
This simply isn't sustainable.
The ease of player movement has gone from "somewhat restrictive" to anything goes. Teams have to rebuild their roster every year. Money has gone from under the table to the light of day (sort of).
This simply isn't sustainable.
Is that true? Didn't Josh O return to the Hawks from the portal last year?
1 free transfer - ok
One year wait on 2nd transfer - ok
Unless a coach leave - disagree.
I think a player transferring to a school needs to consider that the coach might leave and he might not like the next coach. Or, he can sit a year. Yeah, that might suck. But lots of things suck in this world a lot more than going to school for free and collecting NIL checks by playing for someone other than your favorite coach.
What I will blame the NCAA for is sitting on their hands for decades as AD budgets exploded and resisting any reforms tooth and nail. They refused to make any changes so then the legal system did it for them, and we're all worse off for it.
That's changing. You get a one time transfer, and a grad transfer. But the days of guys transferring each year are over.
Exactly Please, anybody link these reports. Because it was suggested on this site that Fran might go to ND when their job opened up, now it has become absolute fact that Fran reached out to ND or ND reached out to Fran. It’s fact, but we just don’t know who reached out to who here, but we are sure it happened by all accounts. You can’t make this shit up.
HawkHoops80 also believes that because he has a job, Fran has a job, and now that student athletes are being paid that all of their contracts and scholarships are written the same. Because HawkHoops has the luxury of gaining other employment without permission from his current employer, that Fran has that too.
Here's the catch. Their NOT employees! If so does the school have the right to FIRE them at any time during or after the season? Why not? Its a two way street, right?
Where did you come up with Fran approached ND? I mean their was chatter on here from fans who were hoping he'd go, but I never saw anything that said that he actually contacted them. Do you have some evidence to share?
This. They can't have it both ways. The school should be able to terminate any non performing. "player/employee" , at anytime then......
Please explain. Not arguing. What changes have they "resisted:"?
The NCAA doesn't have the power to make rules. They enforce the rules that the governing board of college presidents and other make.
I don't think they have done a very good job enforcing the rules, but I'm mainly upset with the college presidents for just letting everything get away from them
This is inevitable until this is fully made into a lower level professional sport.
You can't have it both ways.
How long will it take for people to get it?
You can't have it both ways.
How long will it take for people to get it?
Well yeah, but it was inevitable that it WOULD work this way. How could it not?
