Fran: "There are agents actually shopping mid major players BEFORE they go into the portal."
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Ok, I may vaguely remember that. I’m sure stuff was going on at Kentucky too. All light weight compared to what we have now.
The director of the NIL collective posted on another site that Fran had approached ND about the job--he obviously was turned down if that is true. This is someone who meets with Fran and the people within the program regularly. You can believe him or not, that's fine. But he's usually very credible and candid with his information. I had also seen a report from a ND site that also stated that Fran would have taken the job if he was offered, but Shrews was their top choice from day 1.
Again, I don't really care if anyone believes that or not--I don't find it as such a wild and unbelievable claim and it was posted by someone credible within the program in a lot of ways and someone who covers the ND beat. Maybe both were lying. It's ultimately does not matter at the end of the day since Fran is here to stay.
If Fran really thinks the season Connor had was "phenomenal" like he said in that article I have no interest in seeing what he has planned for Patrick in 23-24
Thanks for the info. I always appreciate your contributions to this board!
Fran is the master of hyperbole. I don't really take much stock any more when he says a player has been phenomenal in practice. Totally different philosophy than Kirk.
Kirk: under-promise, under-praise a player; keep them humble, hungry
Fran: over-hype, build up a player's confidence with tons of public praise
I'm not saying Kirk is completely on the mark here. But when Kirk says a player has turned the corner or "made some strides" I take that as they are pretty excited about that player. When Fran says a player is tremendous, I have my doubts.
To be sure, what Fran inherited was a fanbase who had watched a bunch of terrible and very boring basketball. He did need to pump some excitement into things.
Kirk: under-promise, under-praise a player; keep them humble, hungry
Fran: over-hype, build up a player's confidence with tons of public praise
I'm not saying Kirk is completely on the mark here. But when Kirk says a player has turned the corner or "made some strides" I take that as they are pretty excited about that player. When Fran says a player is tremendous, I have my doubts.
To be sure, what Fran inherited was a fanbase who had watched a bunch of terrible and very boring basketball. He did need to pump some excitement into things.
Except in the case of:
Murray bros.
Luka
Joe's
Uthoff
A.White
Jok
Gatens
Marble
But most of the others ?
Smoke.
Not so much in the way of players, but more the lack of team results with said "phenomenal" players.
Kudos to Fran for finally figuring out how the portal works 10 years after everyone else.
Portal has been around 10 years? Who knew? Solid effort for you
Everyone should read the article on Fran with Leistikow in todays *Register. Addresses a number of things including ND (no!)-- , contracts. etc. And the McCafferys were at the women's final four.
No, my understanding of the NIL system it WAS meant to be used AFTER a player was on campus, proven him (or herself), and then profit from their name, image, and likeness. For instance, how Tyler Linderbaum and Caitlyn Clark did it. I don’t believe it was ever meant to simply “buy” a player to come to your institution.
I don’t believe you; I’m a premium subscriber too and haven’t seen stories like that.
Like I said that story in the Register should be read and+ he3 says there
he didn't look at ND.
Yes, it is common knowledge that UCLA was cheating during their championship run. You haven't heard?
and the student who is not practicing year around is working year around to pay the $30000 or more room. board, tuition and books that the student “athlete” is getting for free. he is making a choice. does not have to practice does not have to play.
Can you copy and paste the part from the article where Fran said he did not approach/contact Notre Dame about their job opening?
TIA
His return was negotiated after he failed to generate any interest in the portal,.. He had no guaranteed opportunity to return.
Lol. My guess is this has been going on in some form or another for decades.
It’s dirty, always has been dirty, and always will be.
People thought a good mid-major players decided to leave their current school without some under the table idea of who wanted them? Roflmao. I own a section of I-80 if anybody is interested in purchasing.
It’s dirty, always has been dirty, and always will be.
People thought a good mid-major players decided to leave their current school without some under the table idea of who wanted them? Roflmao. I own a section of I-80 if anybody is interested in purchasing.
You don’t know why a coach following the rules would bring up other programs that are cheating? Seriously, you can’t figure that out? Do you think Fran is the only coach in America upset about the level of tampering going on right now in college basketball or football?
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The pressure to cheat is enormous. The pressure to follow the rules is only personal integrity.
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A school engaging in recruiting conversations with a player or their agent who is currently on another team’s roster and not in the transfer portal. You’re not really this naive, right?
One thing that I would like to see is athletes' admission standards must be the same as every other student at a school, no exceptions.
It wasn't a coincidence that UCLA had probably half of the top dozen college players on the roster for a decade or so. Wooden was a great coach, but he basically had an all star team to work with. As an example, they were so good that Swen Nater, who was probably one of the 3 or 4 best centers in the country, barely got to play in his years at UCLA. He mostly served as Bill Walton's practice player. Nater had a very successful pro career.
The Dance was very different, but UCLA won 10 of 12 NCAA Championships from the mid 60s to the mid 70s. The game has evolved, but that should tell anyone that something was going on.
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A school engaging in recruiting conversations with a player or an agent engaging in conversations with a school’s collective? One is illegal and one is perfectly legal. Fran’s complaint is the latter, which is legal.
Yes, because players are entering the portal without a guarantee and collectives have that authority to offer scholarships. Keep burying your head, it will get better.
I’m sure coaches are staying completely out of it. 😂 A coach telling his school’s collective that we’ll give Player X (on another team’s roster) a set amount money if he transfers in, is “disgraceful”.
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By all means it's a free country so you are entitled to your "disgraceful" opinion. However, you said Fran was following the rules and other coaches weren't. Then in your example you indicated "a coach telling his school's collective that we'll get player x a set of money if he transfers in" was against the rules when in reality it is exactly what is allowed under every state law that allows NIL. Third parties (collectives) can contact third parties (agents) to maximize their NIL opportunities at any given school. Like others have said in the thread, this is what people wanted - for these kids to make money in the free market.
Jesus, it’s fairly obvious what Fran is saying without coming out and saying it. It isn’t that difficult and it’s not unique to Fran. If you honestly believe that coaches aren’t in contact with these players then you’d be as dense as the NCAA.
Well, if this is what some people wanted.
