Yes I have been reading the posts thank you. The NCAA might be looking the other way but its 9.9 scholarships. And if you can pay recruits why aren't we doing It?
Full court press on Teske?
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I am guessing they will send him to the best place to fulfill his dreams. It may not be as a Hawk though. It would be a good idea to admit that other places have something to offer and ISU is going to become one of those places again.
I hate to say this on this forum, but if I wanted to send my kid to be a world champion right now, I would be looking at tOSU or Nebraska. They are the places who have the latest group of World and Olympic champs.
TnT are great coaches, but the proof is in the pudding. Yes they have the best results of producing the world team members at the lowest weights and they have an incredible record at the lower weights in Div 1. If his goals are being a D1 AA or champ, Iowa has an advantage and a clear record of success.
However, at the world level, they have a shortage of producing medalists and champs. Be careful what you wish for.
Sure, some other clubs are doing well at producing guys with international success. I think the HWC will overtake them before long, as we're just getting started, but that's another issue altogether. That said, there's absolutely ZERO evidence to indicate that Nebraska, tOSU, or any other club, for that matter, would come close to Iowa in terms of training guys up for international competition at the lower weights. Our guys haven't won World or Olympic medals yet, but they've clearly dominated our World and Olympic teams at 57 Kg. So while NE and tOSU have had international success at middle and upper weights, they haven't even sniffed Iowa's success putting lower weights on international teams. So to assert that a lower-weight guy would have more international success at NE or tOSU based largely on the success of Snyder, Dlagnev, Burroughs, and Green, is pretty ridiculous.
Steiber was a world champ ar the 2nd lowest weight.
WWDM Thanks for taking the time to respond. You have solid points and I was well aware of them before I posted. I can see the HWC overtaking some of these clubs as far as results at the world level. It will be fun to watch because the upcoming years are going to be great ones for us wrestling fans. GO USA!!
You don't get it. There is a world of difference in training over those 4kgs. Doubtful he could have done that at tOSU if he was any lower..
Dice - not the point as a point also missed by Look Left. As by all accounts neither Ohio St nor Nebbie are in play for Teske the relevant argument is between those schools in play. And when it comes to lightweights even non-Hawkeye fans would agree the Iowa room is the best for lightweights (most would say regardless of school but for sure between Iowa, ISU, Minnesota and PSU). Regardless, I will be shocked if Teske doesn't come to Iowa.
If you are saying Iowa is the best place for him judging from past results among the teams he is considering, then you guys have a good point. I was taking it thread that it was the best place in "all of the world" for him. Regardless, Iowa would b a good place for him to grow. I also think Isu will be that way. It is like saying back in 1977 that ISU was a better place to go because Iowa did not have the history that ISU had. Gable changed all that and I think the Cyclones staff is going to change a lot of the negatives about them and they will turn things around. The next 5 years at ISU are not gong to look anything like the last 5.
Dice - I get his point. I think this is a thread about Teske and in part where he may develop best. Of course this morphed a little into international success. And the 2 schools discussed in terms of international success besides Iowa are schools not on the Teske radar. Just my opinion and 2 cents.
No problem. I will exit this now as I feel the whole discussion is rather pointless. There are many criteria that may be important to an athlete when selecting a school including international success, winning an NCAA championship, finances, education, proximity to home, environment, etc. In most cases there is more than one good option in regards to most of the above including international success and winning an NCAA championship.
Most, not all, of the kids focused on international success have already demonstrated the ability to be a world class athlete in the international styles before they reach college. These include Gilman, Ramos, Retherford, Stieber, Snyder, etc. Much of this argument is equivalent to a PSU fan stating that the best place to develop into an NCAA champion is at Penn State. I realize that some posters do, and it's really just pointless. There are other places to do this, just as there are other places to make world teams and win international medals. In fact, most of these athletes are developing through exposure to multiple coaching styles. Likewise, I highly doubt that the main drum the Brands are beating on the recruiting trail is that Iowa is the place to go if you want to succeed at 57kg.
I'm sure Teske will decide on a combination of factors that are important to him, not anyone else. The best choice may be Iowa, or it may be another place like ISU, PSU, Minnesota or someplace else.
Thanks Look left. Likewise. Dice - I wasn't trying to be obtuse maybe I misunderstood the various opinions or statements on message boards! I agree that maybe someplace else would be a better fit for Brody. I just saw references to Ohio St. and Nebbie. and simply was stating I hadn't heard from either the school or Teske that was in play.
Thank goodness you were not being obtuse. A guy can get 30 days in the hole for that.
Not trying to start a big debate, but what is legal or what you can get away with may not necessarily be ethical or right. I dont claim to know all the rules or situations and am not accusing anyone of anything wrong but we all have different ideas on whats acceptable and whats not. The Brands have made a few comments on what they wont do in recruiting because its not right in their eyes by what the rules state. Apparently others dont play by the same rules or standards. I myself would prefer our coaches to take the high road and strive to do what is right, regardless of what a few others may or may not do. If it costs us it costs us. I am sure I will not agree with everything the Iowa coaches do over time but it would seem by every first hand account that they are striving do do things right and mentor young men first and foremost. In the end that is worth more than any one title. That being said I do believe they are on the right track and 24 will come in the near future.
Chuckie,
Relax man. You are getting overly hyper and allowing your imagination to run wild. Maybe a little run up to Minneapolis for a Xanax or two. It would probably help.
Oh wow. You really put me down. But can you explain what the the PS wrestling club does with all their money? And how all these wrestlers end up with zero debts when they have to get jobs at age 30??? Not every parent is rich like you. Now go visit your PS idol in the prison system...
In basketball/football all of the best players get a full ride, so money makes little difference in recruiting. Boosters aren't coming out of the woodwork to give money to a walk-on to be the 97th man on a football roster or the 4th guy off the bench on a basketball team. In wresting mathematically a starting lineup can not have 10 full rides, so extra money can go long a way in recruiting. The NCAA has to realize that when teams aren't allotted enough actual money to put a lineup on the mat, funds will come from someplace. Especially when you see exactly how much money PSU has in the club.
You are right, if an athlete is weak minded and can't handle competition and can't stay focused on improving because they are not on the big stage every weekend, then yes they should not go to Iowa. If you would rather be on a team that gets pounded every weekend than being pounded in practice then go to ISU
You are nuts
and a screwball if you think there is anywhere better to train rt now for anyone 141lb or lowerThanks for making my point. Not everyone can handle what the Iowa room dishes out. I am not making a judgement on those who can't take it, I am just saying it is possible that it is not the best place for him. If a guy has one dream and only one dream and that is to be the best in the country at a weight class and that weight is 133 or 125, the Hawk room is pretty darn surely the place for him to go. Also, it is nice to be told the reasons that I am nuts and a screw ball. I have been wondering why.
I should add that this will change a little once Brady and Dylan Koontz of tOSU start winning international hardware on USA Greco teams in the 57 Kg range.
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I am in the process of contacting the NCAA compliance office on how they actually audit/regulate the summer camp athlete payment process. I am curious and can't find any information online.
Great...Maybe you'll get some type of statement that we can go by. Thanks for taking the time....
Hoping TG's Silver medal gives Teske some more food for thought!
I thought this all day too. Maybe it is enough to get Teasdale to rechange his mind too.
A bit late in responding to this claim.. I believe for a "recruit" to be paid to work a camp at a school such as PSU, or tOSU etc, they can no longer be a recruit, but an athlete that has signed an NLI, been accepted to the said school, and is an incoming freshmen.
can't do it until they have enrolled and are attending DURING a semester when competition in their sport is legal. In other words, incoming freshmen can't work the summer camps sponsored by the University. Ask Joe Seay
Yes they can, the NCAA has made a very recent rule change. Incoming Freshmen can work the camps and be paid, even if they're not enrolled in summer school. I know this for a fact. However, there are limits to how much they can be paid.
Well, I guess they proved they can develop world medalists. So now Teske would have a Senior World Silver medalist from 2017, a multi-time Age Group World Champion and 3 NCAA Champions all that competed in the first two weights... I think it's the sound choice..::
thanks for the correction, I am working on memories, and being old, sometimes the memories aren't as sharp. When was the change made?
I have seen enough in recruiting lately that nothing is 100% anymore
The ship has sailed, and we should stop bringing him up as a potential recruit
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