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Even if they have tried, they need to find a way to get it done, other teams do. Look at Wisky or Sparty. Are you saying we are at some disadvantage? Have terrible negotiators?
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Even if they have tried, they need to find a way to get it done, other teams do. Look at Wisky or Sparty. Are you saying we are at some disadvantage? Have terrible negotiators?
Ive lived in Texas almost the whole time since I got out of Iowa. Worked with many A+M and Texas fans. Sure they would like to play us but only at home. But there is no reason for these teams to come to IC. Once of the reasons it just doesnt happen. We have to have 7 home games whether we like it or not.
I have never understood why Iowa has to have 7 home games each year. Prefer to have seven, yes, but why is it such a big deal? Iowa was in the top 20 in making money last year in athletic money being made, they will get an increase next year with the new BTN contract. Iowa could well afford to have a six game home schedule once every five years or so, allowing them to play ISU and another named P 5 school.
The weakening the Out of conference schedule stated with Fry, before that Iowa played a lot of national brand teams. Fry stated the conference was tough enough, and from that point on, continuing today, its ISU and lots of average teams at best. Fry would take on a "big dog" in an extra game every now and then, and did play a home and home with Miami, but lots of UNI and Mac level schools. It has worked out well for Iowa, look at last year, 12-0, win the conference championship game and they were in the final four. Fans care more about wins than playing and beating top out of conference teams and so does your AD. Ask yourself this, "when was the last time, Iowa played an out of conference game against someone that was better than them?". Not a solid team or equal, but one where the fan base said "if we do not bring our A game, we will lose. " It has not happened in the past 30 years except for Miami.
The weakening the Out of conference schedule stated with Fry, before that Iowa played a lot of national brand teams. Fry stated the conference was tough enough, and from that point on, continuing today, its ISU and lots of average teams at best. Fry would take on a "big dog" in an extra game every now and then, and did play a home and home with Miami, but lots of UNI and Mac level schools. It has worked out well for Iowa, look at last year, 12-0, win the conference championship game and they were in the final four. Fans care more about wins than playing and beating top out of conference teams and so does your AD. Ask yourself this, "when was the last time, Iowa played an out of conference game against someone that was better than them?". Not a solid team or equal, but one where the fan base said "if we do not bring our A game, we will lose. " It has not happened in the past 30 years except for Miami.
Yes we are. As mentioned multiple times. We have an annual game vs rival in isu another power 5 team not in our conference. Wisconsin has no rival outside big 10 same with sparty they play rival Michigan a big 10 school. Therefore those 2 schools can schedule a power 5 team of their liking for home and home and still have 7 home games. 9 conference games plus isu only way to do it is limit to 6 home games. Barta is adamant we have 7 home games.
Do you actually do any research or do you just talk out your ass. Here are some facts in regard to Iowa and their non conference schedule through the years. Last 25 years just to keep it somewhat recent.
81-Nebraska and UCLA
82-Nebraska and Arizona
83 Penn State
84 Penn State
87 Tennessee and Arizona
88 Colorado
89 Oregon
90 Miami
92 NC State,Miami and Colorado
94 Oregon
96 Arizona
98 Arizona
99 Nebraska
00 Nebraska and KSU
03 ASU
04 ASU
06 Syracuse
07 Syracuse
08 Pitt
09 Arizona
10 Arizona
11 Pitt
14 Pitt
15 Pitt
We lost a lot of these non conference games, So I think that fits the criteria in regard to we could lose if we don't bring our "A" game. I look forward to you posting ISU's non conference opponents that would be considered above average over the same time frame.
As far as giving up home games, When the football program funds almost the entire athletic budget at Iowa, Just throwing away a home game once in awhile is a huge deal, Maybe not to you, But it is a big deal in regard to the budget and the funding of non revenue producing sports.
Its not, but Iowa is considered by everyone here to be on a different level than ISU, our out of conference schedule should be what it is, getting wins. Iowa is past that point has been for a number of years. They are just like Baylor, OSU and others, scheduling wins. By now, Iowa should be willing to say, we are an established program, anywhere, and any place, anytime is what they should be saying, but do not. I am not saying what they are doing is not working, it is. 20 to 30 years ago, Iowa figured out that they could get one of those January Bowl games, by finishing fourth or fifth in the conference, and they have followed that attitude, since then. Now its changed, but the Big X has the best bowl set up of any conference, they are going to get one school in the final four almost every year, and then have three to four bowl games on Jan. 1st. most years, and three on the other, depending on if the Rose Bowl is one of the championship series games. Its worked out well for Iowa.
32 Power-5 teams? You sure about that? We're talking OOC schedules right?
In the Kirk era, Iowa has played 24 Power-5 teams and all but 7 of those were Iowa State.
Keep in mind that Pitt and Syracuse (at the time you played them) were NOT in a power 5 conference.
Iowa is in the big 10, they are in the richest to second richest conference in this whole deal, and then blaming ISU for not scheduling an out of conference somebody. I ask again, when was the last time they played someone better, not equal too, but better than them? That would be 1992, when they played Miami. Yes, they have played other P 5 schools, but no one considers Pitt, Arizona, Arizona St. or Syracuse to be top of the line schools. They are a P 5 school just like ISU, and people on here still bitch about that game. None of those are better year to year than Iowa. I see Wisconsin play Texas, MSU play Alabama, and Iowa playing a Pitt. Like they are all the same there, get your head out of ass, if you can, and just admit, wins are what are important. Not quality wins, just wins.
Actually they were in big east which got an automatic bid for the BCS. So yes they were in a power conference and Pitt was an ACC member the last 2 years they played them. Before big east broke up there were 6 power conferences. But nice try
Final AP poll results..
94 Oregon 11, 98 Arizona 4, 99 Nebraska 3, 00 Nebraska 8, KSU 9. 04 ASU 19, 09 Arizona 22, So I would say its been a bit more recent than Miami in 92. But again, Don't let facts get in the way of your ignorance.,
Early 2000 when KF was here played Nebraska last time they were relevant and ranked #1. Kansas St was ranked. Played asu who was ranked both years. Arizona made bowls both years. Everyone wants Iowa to play top tier teams but let's be honest those teams arent beating down iowas door to play them either. In whole lot of schools are playing weaker non conf schedules.
Thing is with Iowa having easiest schedule they'll ever have in conference last year and last season of 8 conference games. As long as they would have beaten spary they still would have been in the playoff. Conference schedule won't be as weak as last season probably ever again with 9 conf games. So it's not like not having a big name non conf team on the schedule would hinder Iowa from making the playoff as long as they win them all including big ten title game.
The schedule has been, and will be, fine. Half the battle is picking which mid-major teams will be decent opponents 2 or 3 years down the road because it becomes a total crapshoot with all of the coaching turnover. Ideally I would like to see the ISU game, a game against an AAC opponent, and a game against a MAC team. That should be 2 or 3 home wins every year, but doesn't come across as total cupcake. The B1G as a whole appears to be improving, so the conference schedule will become harder in the coming years. That will help the perception our our SOS in its own right.
The thing is, if we start to win the conference and high profile bowl games, very few will talk about the schedule. Maybe they'll say it was easy, but that will be followed by saying we were legit. Beat Stanford and the schedule isn't a storyline and we aren't labeled as a fluke. There's a reason why Bama can get away with scheduling FCS opponents.
The thing is, if we start to win the conference and high profile bowl games, very few will talk about the schedule. Maybe they'll say it was easy, but that will be followed by saying we were legit. Beat Stanford and the schedule isn't a storyline and we aren't labeled as a fluke. There's a reason why Bama can get away with scheduling FCS opponents.
Good point. Look at Michigan you don't hear after finish to last year about their upcoming schedule. Non conference Hawaii, UCF and Colorado (isu equivalent of PAC 12) all at home. One could argue NDSU tougher than Hawaii and UCF. Actually their schedule is pretty interesting 8 home games and only 4 on the road however 3 at Ohio st, Michigan St and Iowa. But yet don't hear a peep on that.
What facts do you want, when those games were scheduled they were bottom feeder programs. Iowa scheduled KSU and Colorado when they were horrible, and then it bit them in the ass, when they got better. I will give you Nebraska, but Oregon in 94 was not the Oregon of today. I stand by what I said, when was the last time Iowa, scheduled a game with a program that was better than them, not equal but better. I see MSU is playing LSU, Minnesota played TCU the past two years. When has Iowa?
I would say where Iowa is hurt by the schedule is lack of "Game Day" exposure, and lack of national stage games on neutral fields. One can look at Wisconsin's schedule this year and their non-conference "neutral site" game in Lambeau field vs LSU...Game Day will likely be there, they will have the 8 PM ABC national spotlight game, a lot of build up etc. These types of things harden teams, build confidence, and when faced with another quality opponent in January on one of football's biggest stages you're less likely to fall flat on your face and look as though you haven't ever seen the type of speed or athleticism as what's across the line of scrimmage.
It's been 25 years since Iowa played in the Rose Bowl, and it showed.. the team and coaches were unprepared to deal with the media requirements, even having played in the Orange Bowl a couple of times, its obvious there is a clear distinction between the OB and the Rose.
Despite being 12-0 and some of the national media spewing their trash, Iowa had gone virtually under the radar until they were 10-0 with a very winnable a game vs Purdue and what most assumed would be the heartbreaking national title-hopes ending game in Lincoln left to play.
Playing on that type of stage, with that much media attention, interview requirements, all the noise around the program... The blue bloods have a real advantage because they play in multiple games a year like that... Alabama vs LSU, Texas vs Oklahoma, Ohio State vs Michigan, Florida vs. Georgia etc. Those are just conference games with that kind of feel and build up.
It's been 25 years since Iowa played in the Rose Bowl, and it showed.. the team and coaches were unprepared to deal with the media requirements, even having played in the Orange Bowl a couple of times, its obvious there is a clear distinction between the OB and the Rose.
Despite being 12-0 and some of the national media spewing their trash, Iowa had gone virtually under the radar until they were 10-0 with a very winnable a game vs Purdue and what most assumed would be the heartbreaking national title-hopes ending game in Lincoln left to play.
Playing on that type of stage, with that much media attention, interview requirements, all the noise around the program... The blue bloods have a real advantage because they play in multiple games a year like that... Alabama vs LSU, Texas vs Oklahoma, Ohio State vs Michigan, Florida vs. Georgia etc. Those are just conference games with that kind of feel and build up.
Michigan played BYU and Oregon St. last year, they have been playing Notre Dame, for many years. There out of schedule is fine. The reason people bitch about Iowa's out of conference schedule is the refusal for Iowa to step up and play top notch talent. Now maybe those schools will not schedule Iowa. But why can others in the conference play them like Minnesota, MSU, and Nebraska, but not Iowa? Iowa wants to play the ISU card, and its weak, the game is there to schedule, Iowa chooses not too.
After Nebraska finishes their home and home with Oregon (which they scheduled not knowing about a 9 game conference schedule), they have about the same type of non-con schedule as Iowa. 2018 they have Colorado, Troy, and Akron. 2019 they have South Alabama, Colorado, Northern Illinois. 2020 they have Cincinnati and Central Michigan already penciled in. Oregon is the only opponent they have scheduled in quite some time that is actually better than them. Minnesota only has Oregon State (home and home) for P5 opponents in the next 5 seasons, pretty much an equal to ISU. The rest mirror Iowa's. Wisconsin scheduled LSU without knowing about a 9 game conference schedule. They have a home and home with BYU in 2017 and 2018, otherwise they don't play another P5 until Syracuse in 2020. Iowa's non-con is no different than our B1G West counterparts moving forward.
I am not saying every year, but Iowa could afford to have a 6 game home slate, every 5 years or so. They are in the Big 10, the second richest conference in America, yes, they can afford it, they chose not too. People want to blame ISU, talk about how they need the money, it a line of crap. Iowa could do it, other school do, I does not, because they do not see a value in it. Why change what is working.
MSU played Alabama in a bowl game. Wisconsin played Alabama in their non-conference schedule. Hard to take you seriously when you are so clueless.
I would agree is difficult to do in the future with nine conference games, but Iowa has been doing it going on 25 years. Why have then not been doing it before the nine conference schedule?
Yes they have been, and that has been hammered in throughout this thread. Wisconsin and Nebraska have had equal, if not easier non-cons for most of the last 25 years. I think they've been doing alright.
The basic point is when has Iowa scheduled someone like this? An Alabama, LSU, Texas, ND, USC or someone like that. They have not, its the same old excuse, we play ISU every year, and must have 7 home games. My question is why? I know the answer, they want the wins, there is nothing wrong with that, just quit bitching about it and accept it. Iowa has figured the system out to get a great bowl game, and stop blaming ISU for not playing a big name school.
Bowlsby tried to get a home and home with ND but was turned down. They wanted a 2 for 1. He said at the time that it was hard to schedule a marquee ooc game. Most of the big national programs either weren't interested or asked for too much. I can't rem
remember who, but another school wanted a home and neutral site deal, like Kansas City. They wouldn't come to IC.
Wiscy got some teams to step up once they made a name by going to 4 straight rose bowls or whatever. If Iowa can string together a couple more years like last year other teams will start knocking on our door.
remember who, but another school wanted a home and neutral site deal, like Kansas City. They wouldn't come to IC.
Wiscy got some teams to step up once they made a name by going to 4 straight rose bowls or whatever. If Iowa can string together a couple more years like last year other teams will start knocking on our door.
No, the answer is because the athletic department is a business and they want the money from the 7th home game to help fund the other athletic programs. That ISU game is a rivalry and brings in a lot more money than any other non-con opponent. In order to get that, there will be years when all 3 non-con games will have to be home games. Other years there will have to be 2 home games, with the ISU game already being a home game. That leaves no room for an OOC road game. That is the reason why Iowa can't schedule a Bama, LSU, or ND anymore. It's not because KF or Barta don't want to play them and would rather take the guaranteed W. It's because the money doesn't make sense. Most years that extra B1G conference game will be as good as any non-con game we could schedule.
Is Iowa hurting for money here, no they are not, they are in the top 20 in bringing in money. They can support the athletic budget just fine on one 6 game home schedule every five years or so. I am not saying every year only have 6 games, but just once every five years or so. Iowa can afford that, they chose not it. Maybe schools will not play Iowa, could be, but then how can these other conference schools play them?
Maybe you should check your own conference, the big 12's schedules non conference before continuing.
Playing a home and home is not just about the money, do you not see the competitive advantage team would have if Iowa would only play them on the road. Not only would the other team get a ton of money, but they would have a huge advantage by playing the game only at home. That makes no sense what so ever to do so, besides how would that help booster our own home game schedules for our fans? So by your logic, lets lose millions of dollars by playing on the road against a really really good team?
Here is a quote I found on home field advantage:
"Homefield advantage in college football is typically presumed to mean "about three points" (the average right now is actually closer to 3.8) difference in the final score. This means that if two teams are identical, neither team should be favored on a neutral field, while the home team would be favored by about three if they played at one of the team's stadium. This can lead to essentially a six point swing from one venue to the next. The truth is that some stadiums could actually mean up to nine points, while some do not help much at all."
Sure they can afford that, but that's not how a business works. You try to make as much money as possible. That money goes back into the athletic programs and university. Do you not want to see both of those things progress? The benefits are very minuscule when it comes to playing a single OOC road game against a blue blood.
People want to schedule and act like elite programs but name one other elite program that does the 6 game schedule. Doesn't matter how much program makes they are losing money by not having 7th game and the AD like any CEO of big business would not pass on guarantee to make $ not only for his program all the other businesses and whole Iowa city economy benefits.
Besides the elite few like Alabama, Ohio st and Oklahoma half of the teams when they schedule another have no clue how good they will be when game is made 5+ yrs out. Did Cal think they'd be facing a pathetic Texas team when they scheduled them years back for last year, no probably thought be facing a top 10 at least 20 team. And do you think Minnesota when scheduled TCU have any clue they'd be top 5, guessing very doubtful.
Are we talking about Iowa's non conference or the big 12 teams here? I will agree that Baylor and OSU's is a joke. ISU and Kansas is where they should be for a team at their level. But why is Iowa's so bad, considering where they have been for the past 25 years?
You have figured it out, its not about the money, but the wins. That is why Iowa does not schedule the blue bloods of college football. The money is nice, but the wins are more important in the long run. So stop complaining about playing ISU, and just enjoy what you have, a fine football team with a bright future.
The Minnesota former coach and TCU coach were best friends, so that is why it was scheduled. So yes, Minnesota knew what it was getting into. Let me project and say that LSU, Florida St., Oklahoma, ND, USC and others will be fine 5 or 10 years out from here. Maybe not elite, but good squads. No one would be complaining about Iowa's schedule today if they had a Miami on it, and they have been horrible for 10 years. You can not play N. Texas, UNI, or a Mac team year after year and then want to run with the elite teams and say you are relevant. Iowa has a great deal going, they have figured out the system, get 8-10 wins a year, rely on the great bowl tie ins the big 10 has and the fans are happy and make money hand over fist. It's working, but please stop complaining about it, and making excuses.
Yes Ohio St cannot continue to put the "Hawaii's" of the world on their schedule if they expect to be considered elite and relevant. It's not like 3/4 of their schedule is composed of P5 conference teams or anything
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