Future schedules
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I think you're talking about Iowa here......and if so, then you answered your own question. And quite frankly there's little more to argue about then. Well done, sir. You solved the mystery!!!
The right neutral site game would offer Iowa more money than they make in a home game against N. Texas or a directional Midwest school. For instance: Jacksonville would pay Iowa close to 5 million dollars to play FSU in a neutral site game. http://gridironnow.com/auburn-and-florida-state-to-play-in-jacksonville/
I reference this article to show that a neutral site is aware that both sides would need that type of financial incentive to leave home. But those opportunities are there.
I still go back to the point that where Iowa really loses out on their non-conference scheduling isn't so much the big name opponent but the lack of national exposure and media attention. In 2006 I was there in Kinnick for what was maybe the most electric atmosphere since the Iowa / Michigan matchup in 1985... Ohio State wasn't phased at all by the environment. Why not? Because that is their natural habitat. They play in big games, they win big games. They are more likely to lose an 11 AM kick off at Purdue on a BIG overflow channel than lose to a ranked team on the road at night.
The moment never seems too big for them, and there is a reason why.
I reference this article to show that a neutral site is aware that both sides would need that type of financial incentive to leave home. But those opportunities are there.
I still go back to the point that where Iowa really loses out on their non-conference scheduling isn't so much the big name opponent but the lack of national exposure and media attention. In 2006 I was there in Kinnick for what was maybe the most electric atmosphere since the Iowa / Michigan matchup in 1985... Ohio State wasn't phased at all by the environment. Why not? Because that is their natural habitat. They play in big games, they win big games. They are more likely to lose an 11 AM kick off at Purdue on a BIG overflow channel than lose to a ranked team on the road at night.
The moment never seems too big for them, and there is a reason why.
I think the real question is why hasn't Alabama, LSU, Texas, Notre Dame and USC scheduled Iowa?
They're cowards, I tell you!!!
To that I would say, because those schools have little to nothing to gain from scheduling Iowa. They would look at playing Iowa the way most Iowa fans look at playing Iowa State...nothing to win and everything to lose. There's no real benefit to any of those schools coming to Iowa City, its not fertile recruiting ground for them, and at best its a 60-40 win/loss proposition against a well coached home team that would be juiced for a prime match-up.
I agree with those who think Iowa avoids the marquee big time non-conference opponents because the AD thinks a win over directional nobody is better than a loss to a major somebody. I mean what would happen if Iowa were to go on the road early in the season and lose something like 44-7??? What come back and win a share of the Big10 title? HA!?!?! Yeah right when could that ever happen???
What I am saying is enjoy your cupcakes and don't cry when the National media doesn't show the Hawks love. That is all !
Wisky also played Bama and LSU but please don't point that out these dudes are enjoying their cupcakes while complain the National media don't show the Hawks respect...smdh
I am not complaining at all, I understand the complexity of scheduling. I would love to play an LSU, Texas, FSU, etc. However, many of those teams are not willing to play up north in the fall/winter and many of those teams have a weaker schedule than Iowa does.Teams that are in the SEC and Big10 do not have to boast their non conference schedule. Win the conference and you are in the playoffs
Yes Ohio St cannot continue to put the "Hawaii's" of the world on their schedule if they expect to be considered elite and relevant. It's not like 3/4 of their schedule is composed of P5 conference teams or anything
Ohio State is already at the top of the heap, they will continue to stay there because they are a Name brand. Iowa is not a name brand, now if they want to be like so many on here think they should be, they need to find a way to start playing better OOC teams. Wisconsin is doing it, MSU is doing it and both are in the same boat as Iowa. They are in the second group of schools, looks like they are trying to move up, and Iowa will take the money and the wins. I do not have a problem with what Iowa is doing, I just get tired of hear the excuses of why they cannot schedule better and how a lot of it is because of ISU.
Yes, Iowa has a better program than ISU, anyone that says otherwise is talking smack or clueless. Bigger fan base, better tradition, more bowl wins, in a more stable conference. Every ISU fan knows that, but let me add, the distance between the two programs over the past 25 years is a lot closers than it really should be considering all Iowa has going for it.
We need to win big name bowl games and conference championships, not meaningless non-conference games if we are going to take the next step. That's how OSU got into the position they are in, not because of games played in September. And the scheduling is 100% because of ISU. It's pretty obvious you don't understand that concept.
Why does anybody act like penn state is good?
They suck and have for quite a while. They are behind Michigan Michigan state and Ohio state in their own division.
Penn State is like the apparel company Starter. If you are old enough you can remember when they were a big deal.
They have been very forgettable since joinin the big ten outside of a few years a long time ago.
They suck and have for quite a while. They are behind Michigan Michigan state and Ohio state in their own division.
Penn State is like the apparel company Starter. If you are old enough you can remember when they were a big deal.
They have been very forgettable since joinin the big ten outside of a few years a long time ago.
On my drive home a couple of weeks ago, I was listening to the college sports station on satellite radio, they were talking about all the great games over Labor Day weekend, they mentioned LSU at Wisconsin, ND at Texas and so on. Funny they never mention Miami (ohio) at Iowa. Do you not understand, these other programs are getting a ton of free pub, because they are willing to take the chance and maybe get a loss, by playing a quality, big name team. Iowa is unwilling to do it, they are more than content to play Mac teams, ISU and a N. Texas, NDST, or UNI. OSU has one of the best football history going back 50 years, they do not need to make a splash, they are already a blue blood. If Iowa is going to make that move, they must take the chance of getting a few loses and schedule a big name team. Home and home, neutral site it does not matter. Yes, its harder to do with a nine conference schedule and already playing ISU, but they can do it. The question is do they want to? Where I sit, it " Iowa will continue to take the home games and the money and wins." So stop complaining when ESPN or FOX or some national broadcaster confuses Iowa with ISU, and rips on your schedule.
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Pitt and Syracuse are hoops schools, but they give Iowa fits. Kirk loves the North Texas and Wyomings of the world.
And that is it. Game over.
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I just wanted to add a couple quick things to this comment.
A. Not only did you, an Iowa State fan, admit that Iowa is better, but you also basically gave a back-handed compliment to your own program. Do that more often.
B. In spite of your comment, you routinely contradicted yourself in your other posts throughout this thread. And now that you've admitted that Iowa is better than Iowa State, regardless of whatever perceived gap you wanna throw in (it doesn't f***ing matter), you can't go back on that. That is why you just won this thread, not only for me, but for Iowa fans everywhere.
I just wanted to add a couple quick things to this comment.
A. Not only did you, an Iowa State fan, admit that Iowa is better, but you also basically gave a back-handed compliment to your own program. Do that more often.
B. In spite of your comment, you routinely contradicted yourself in your other posts throughout this thread. And now that you've admitted that Iowa is better than Iowa State, regardless of whatever perceived gap you wanna throw in (it doesn't f***ing matter), you can't go back on that. That is why you just won this thread, not only for me, but for Iowa fans everywhere.
Iowa has a better football program than ISU, if ISU fans cannot admit it, then they are foolish. Why would I want to go back from something that is true for everyone to see. Basketball I would say ISU is the better program, but football its Iowa. The only question I have ever had, Is how can the program with a better history, more money, better instate recruiting, not win more against ISU? Lot of people here say ISU gets up for the game, its their super bowl. That is silly, Iowa has just as many if not more Iowa kids are on the roster, they do not go play an instate rival? The coaches have to read and see how much the game means to the fans, and they can not get up for it? Why does your current coach struggle beating ISU? That is the question you should be asking yourselves.
A lot of the non-conference scheduling for Iowa is to develop depth and keep kids healthy. When Ferentz has trouble in recruiting 4-5 star recruits it means he needs to develop those recruits he gets. Usually that is a 2-3 yr. process. So why play a ND, LSU, or Alabama and get kids hurt plus getting very little chance to develop underclassmen. I don't think Fry did when he was coach or Ferentz now, worry so much about the non-conference as much as they worry about keeping healthy and getting better as the season progresses. After all if they win in the Big10, that's all that matters.
Since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has somehow managed to end the season ranked as a top ten team on four separate occasions. PSU has also participated in seventeen bowl games or so winning the majority (11) of those games.
You are very consistent with over generalizing and not knowing the truth of the matter again.
Well he lost his first 4 when Iowa was at it's low point and basically ISU the pinnacle of their football (and yet still haven't managed more than one 9 win season) But since he righted the ship they've been 8-5 since ended the losing streak. Funny how talking the rivalry clone fans always look back at the series from 98' on. Yes he has had some awful losses in 02', 07', 11' & 14' when they could of or should of won. For some reason ISU just has had a lot more success in close games for some reason but they manage to piss their seasons away after the win majority of time. Long story short he has lost some the battles to ISU but in long run with the program he has won the war and made Iowa a strong program again.
As for scheduling Iowa played weakest schedule with last season of 8 conf games and missed top 3 of other division. Didn't have an elite team (yet a respectable Pitt team). Lesson be win you games and conf title game you'll be in the playoffs. They beat MSU they are in and odds of having a weaker schedule is probably not happening. Ironic clones fans whining about Iowa's non conference for being so weak. If they'd actually be a .500 decent team maybe make it better for Iowa.
In the last 16 years they have finished unranked 11 times. If you want to masturbate over that and call in great go ahead.
They have been very average the last two decades.
Hell Harvard and Yale use to be good at football too if you get on your Delorean and hit 88mph.
Don't think they piss the conference games away, they just start playing better teams. Do you really believe that ISU or Pitt could not compete and beat the likes of Maryland, Rutgers, Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois, Nebraska last year? Wisconsin was tough, so was NW, that was about it.
Pitt yes Isu no. Pitt was a respectable non conf team. Isu maybe could have beaten Purdue or Rutgers. But I've heard it plenty on hear how "if Iowa state was in the big 10 and had iowas schedule we'd win least 6-7 games every year, blah, blah, blah". Thing is people want to take away from 12-0 season cause of weak schedule. End of the day they stop sparty at goal line they make college football playoff even with maybe the weakest schedule they'll ever have. Going to 9 conf games schedule won't probably be as weak ever again. Moral of the story win all your games and conf title game and you make the playoffs no matter how much some fans of Iowa and non Iowa fans want to piss and moan about Iowa's schedule and its SOS or lack of marquee opponent.
Iowa has a better football program than ISU, if ISU fans cannot admit it, then they are foolish. (F***in right they are...
I think the question you NEED to ask is why should Iowa State keep trying to beat Iowa? If Iowa is the better program like you claim, and you also claim that they need to stop going for wins and look to strengthen their schedule, then wouldn't it behoove Iowa State to throw every game from now until the end of the series so that both parties can move on to other things? (I was going to say "bigger and better" but realized I can't include Iowa State in that......
)right? Right? RIGHT?......
P.S. The simple fact is, we're keeping the ISU game, I don't mind that it is competitive as long as we win more often than not, and you admitted that Iowa is better than Iowa State. I still win.
And that paragraph above was mostly facetious..........except for the 'bigger and better' bit about ISU. That's the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
ISU won three games last year, really should have won five or six, the night Iowa hit a 53 yard field goal to beat Pitt, ISU missed a 32 yard field goal to win the game as time was running out, they loss in OT. They were beating the hell out of O. St for a half, up 20 points and then folded the second half. They gave away the game to K. St, when the only thing they had to do, twice was take a knee and burn the clock, and lose in OT again. I really thought Rhodes was a decent coach his first two or three years at ISU, but his lack of recruiting was a problem. We all saw how that went, when the majority of his teams was his recruits. I know SOS gets ripped on this board, but its true, Playing Baylor, TCU, O. St, K St, Ok were just better teams then who Iowa played last year. While the big 10 has some great teams, it also has some pretty bad teams. The big 12 has Kansas and I suppose ISU. Winning games creates excitement and the recruiting picks up. I know people think I am crazy, but I have always thought ISU would thrive in the BIg 10. Not be a power, but a lot better than what they are in the Big 12.
You do realize there are 65 power 5 teams...can you tell me how many big time occ matchups there are?
When you answer this question, then please smack yourself in the face. Then go to the 45 other schools rival pages and give them shit for not scheduling a big time occ game.
Then STFU.
Didn't Rhoads recruit the #1 receiver in the country one year?
I remember the ISU trolls over here bragging.
Please post every record for all rivalries in the country.
Then slap yourself again and STFU.
Man who pissed in your cheerios? Chill out, its Saturday night, relax and have a cold one. Its just sports, nothing more, you and I do not play, we just watch and comment. That its, its not personal.
If it's not about the W, I think there are plenty of schools you could pay to come to Iowa City who aren't terrible..
Houston
ECU
Boise State
Fresno State
Nevada
Tulsa
No, he is not the number one receiver in the country, best in the state. He would be Iowa's best receiver, get the feeling that pisses a lot of Iowa fans off, that he chose ISU and not Iowa. His dad did go to ISU, and his brother was there also.
I have a very hard time seeing either Houston or Boise wanting to come to Iowa City without a return trip. The problem is that if you're scheduling a few years out, it's very hard to project how good those other teams will be. It's pretty much a crapshoot. A few years ago North Texas won 9 games. A few years ago Miami(OH) won 10 games. They looked like quality opponents.
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