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Disconnected is thinking a significant number of meaningful top wrestlers would prefer Chris Perry as their coach over David Taylor.
LMFAO, some of you guys don't even read before you respond. I even said there may very well not be a single guy on the team that follows him. I simply said it is beyond ridiculous to say ANYONE that would follow him can't possibly "level up" if he does...Sheesh, I might as well get back to discussing Donald Trump with you...
 
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John is VERY much good with this. Has his blessing. Had his blessing from the start. Remember. This wasn't on anyone's radar until DT himself called. So yeah. John certainly wanted Coleman to take over, and that probably would have happened had DT not shown interest.

One thing to know - the administration was VERY clear that Coleman coming in did not make him the heir apparent. They were very upfront that they would do a true coaching search. Which they did. They called Cael, Casey and I think 2 other non-pokes.

And john knew this and was ok with it. Remember. John didn't even know when he was going to retire at the start of the season. Up until NCAAs, i'd heard he was going to do another 2-4 at least.
Okay, Not saying it was bad move at all, time will tell how this works out.
 
For some maybe, for some it may not be so easy to cast away their own.

Im more of a believer in getting what you earn, loyalty and honor. Killing off the weak and young just because its easy or more profitable is not in my portfolio.
I would never cut the throat of the history of the program and let it bleed out for quick “Relevance “
Okie St made a tough choice that could potentially put THE PROGRAM back on top. They didn’t settle for a feel good hire. I do feel bad for CS getting caught in the perfect storm nobody could have foreseen.
 
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While I appreciate the stalking challenge invitation, hard pass.
Pretty sure I wasn't inviting you to anything, so feel free to hard pass or soft pretzel. In case you actually missed what I meant, I am not big on going back to find arguments from the more distant past(months or even years ago) and pointing out when I was correct or someone was very wrong. By then the argument is long past for me and I am on to the next one and the limited validation does very little for me...
 
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Again, a completely disconnected take. Bubba Jenkins won a title going to ASU after failing miserably with meshing with Cael.

Put it, this way David Taylor may prove to be the best coach of ALL TIME. But, even when he proves it, that doesn't mean he is the best coach for every wrestler out there. The relationship you form as a wrestler with certain coaches is a giant part of the entire experience. Some of the wrestlers at OSU may absolutely do better if they leave with one of the coaches as long as the coach ends up at the right place.

If they were just following out of spite, I would agree with you. But, that is NOT the way it was phrased...
I literally said that. If he gives the new crew a year and doesn't mesh, shake hands and move on. I'm talking about leaving before the new crew even measures for drapes.
 
John is VERY much good with this. Has his blessing. Had his blessing from the start. Remember. This wasn't on anyone's radar until DT himself called. So yeah. John certainly wanted Coleman to take over, and that probably would have happened had DT not shown interest.

One thing to know - the administration was VERY clear that Coleman coming in did not make him the heir apparent. They were very upfront that they would do a true coaching search. Which they did. They called Cael, Casey and I think 2 other non-pokes.

And john knew this and was ok with it. Remember. John didn't even know when he was going to retire at the start of the season. Up until NCAAs, i'd heard he was going to do another 2-4 at least.

Calling Cael but not DT is insane.
 
I literally said that. If he gives the new crew a year and doesn't mesh, shake hands and B
What about those with only 1 year left?

Look, you have to understand, to some, it is about pure loyalty and committment. Some guys go to a certain place simply because of a very specific coach. In the case of Tom Brands, several guys immediately left with him and even lost a year of eligibility because of it. Again, to some, what you are saying is the near equivalent of a wife or husband sleeping with a new "hot" guy/girl/them to see if it is better and then going back to the former if it wasn't as good as billed...
 
I am not ignoring a single thing. I just have seen PLENTY of "sure things" end up quite the opposite. DT may very well prove to be everything you think he will be. Hell, I even said he almost certainly will be the perfect fit for plenty of recruits. I just WILL NOT ignore the fact that he absolutely could fall flat on his face or just end up being a solid coach.

Time will tell and, until then, my entire argument has simply been to not just ASSUME he is the guy to replace Brands(which is already a non-starter), nor should recruits ASSUME the same. I was simply saying they should do their due diligence and actually take advantage of what the recruiting process provides.

Again, time will tell. Feel free to bookmark this post and come back to me in a couple of years. If I am proven wrong go ahead and throw it in my face. However, if the opposite proves true, I am not a big "I told you so" guy, so you probably won't hear it from me. Either way, it is a win/win for you!

As far as flat-earther goes, I can find a flat ledge for you to step off of and see how far you fall...;)
It's all speculation at this point. We'll know in a couple years. However, IF DT takes OSU past Iowa in the next 3 years, will you admit you were wrong? If he flounders, I know I will!

Personally, I think we're going to find out how much Smith was holding OSU back. The culture there has been awful for years and they haven't been on the leading edge of technical innovation since the Oliver era.
 
No one knew he was interested.

It's irresponsible to not call as an AD/member of the hiring committee. I had another post about this. Why would they call Cael who was much less likely to be interested than DT? The wait and see approach is a losing one. Similar with recruits, you have to proactively pursue who you want. They got lucky that DT reached out to them.
 
Pretty sure I wasn't inviting you to anything, so feel free to hard pass or soft pretzel. In case you actually missed what I meant, I am not big on going back to find arguments from the more distant past(months or even years ago) and pointing out when I was correct or someone was very wrong. By then the argument is long past for me and I am on to the next one and the limited validation does very little for me...
I just meant it doesn't normally take anywhere near three years for most to understand certain argument shortcomings. And certainly, repeating them can only help with us comprehension-challenged.
 
Disconnected is thinking a significant number of meaningful top wrestlers would prefer Chris Perry as their coach over David Taylor.
I guess we will just have to wait and see. I assume some wrestlers went to Okie State in the first place for a reason and if that reason is no longer there ………
 
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It's irresponsible to not call as an AD/member of the hiring committee. I had another post about this. Why would they call Cael who was much less likely to be interested than DT? The wait and see approach is a losing one. Similar with recruits, you have to proactively pursue who you want. They got lucky that DT reached out to them.
Here's the thing... NO ONE KNEW.

As far I as could tell, and the people in the know - he was planning on continuing competing. He had just signed with NIKE. Had he not lost to Aaron - he was doing another cycle.
 
It's all speculation at this point. We'll know in a couple years. However, IF DT takes OSU past Iowa in the next 3 years, will you admit you were wrong? If he flounders, I know I will!
Have you met MSU before? If DT flourishes a Okie State, in a few years MSU will just rationalize it like

"ACTUALLY you guys don't have READING COMPREHENSION, I said he wasn't good AT THE TIME and I still say that he WASN'T actually good at the time! Just because he turned out good does NOT mean that he was good then! It was a RISKY hire and no RATIONAL person AT THE TIME would think he would go on to be good! So my reasoning is still FACTUAL and just proVES even MORE how right I always am ABOut EVERYTHING!"
 
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Have you met MSU before? If DT flourishes a Okie State, in a few years MSU will just say rationalize it like

"ACTUALLY you guys don't have READING COMPREHENSION, I said he wasn't good AT THE TIME and I still say that he WASN'T actually good at the time! Just because he turned out good does NOT mean that he was good then! It was a RISKY hire and no RATIONAL person AT THE TIME would think he would go on to be good! So my reasoning is still FACTUAL and just proVES even MORE how right I always am ABOut EVERYTHING!"
This is amazing.
 
Have you met MSU before? If DT flourishes a Okie State, in a few years MSU will just say rationalize it like

"ACTUALLY you guys don't have READING COMPREHENSION, I said he wasn't good AT THE TIME and I still say that he WASN'T actually good at the time! Just because he turned out good does NOT mean that he was good then! It was a RISKY hire and no RATIONAL person AT THE TIME would think he would go on to be good! So my reasoning is still FACTUAL and just proVES even MORE how right I always am ABOut EVERYTHING!"
MSUbird
 
It's all speculation at this point. We'll know in a couple years. However, IF DT takes OSU past Iowa in the next 3 years, will you admit you were wrong? If he flounders, I know I will!

Personally, I think we're going to find out how much Smith was holding OSU back. The culture there has been awful for years and they haven't been on the leading edge of technical innovation since the Oliver era.
It depends on the circumstances, since it would still be entirely possible that he would not have been the right fit for Iowa. I say that because it looks like OkState all of a sudden got unlimited funds with someone more than willing to spend whatever it takes. Still, if OkState leapfrogs Iowa that quickly and truly challenges PSU, I will give credit to any of you I am arguing against.

To be clear, my biggest fear about DT wasn't so much his not succeeding. I do think he will do well. I just don't think he was going to stay at Iowa long term and could see his leaving for a job he likes better, wrecking the program.

Remember, I was at MSU when Saban came to town. I know it isn't the same thing, but when you have a Die-Hard guy like Brands that eats, sleeps and breaths Iowa, I just can't help being super hesitant firing him for a guy that has no loyalty whatsoever to the actual school, when he could leave with no issues to go somewhere he thinks is better.

Also, just ask VTech about that Brands hire.....
 
Have you met MSU before? If DT flourishes a Okie State, in a few years MSU will just say rationalize it like

"ACTUALLY you guys don't have READING COMPREHENSION, I said he wasn't good AT THE TIME and I still say that he WASN'T actually good at the time! Just because he turned out good does NOT mean that he was good then! It was a RISKY hire and no RATIONAL person AT THE TIME would think he would go on to be good! So my reasoning is still FACTUAL and just proVES even MORE how right I always am ABOut EVERYTHING!"
I think you may be conflating me with someone else. However, I am flattered. Imitation, even if painfully inaccurate, is one of the greatest forms of flattery. I can now happily get in the car and drive home feeling all warm and fuzzy.

Thank you and stay safe!
 
While I appreciate the stalking challenge invitation, hard pass.
Okie st could land the top recruiting classes for the next 20 years straight and win the national championship every year and MSU would still skeet around those facts to try and prove why he was right and everyone else was wrong; so good idea on the hard pass.
 
Okie st could land the top recruiting classes for the next 20 years straight and win the national championship every year and MSU would still skeet around those facts to try and prove why he was right and everyone else was wrong; so good idea on the hard pass.
Not remotely true. First off my argument has never been against his recruiting well. I am sure he will start off on fire in that regard.

My arguments have really only been two fold:

1.) I did not believe firing Brands for him right now was the move.

2.) I didn’t think everyone should automatically anoint DT as the 2nd coming of Cael before he has even coached at the DI level.

If he is crushing Iowa in a couple years and already truly challenging PSU, I will happily give you guys whatever credit you want. But, I will still say that it doesn’t necessarily mean he would have done it at Iowa or even stayed at Iowa if another, better offer came to him soon.

Again, see Brands at VTech as exhibit A and Cael at ISU as exhibit B. There was never any love lost from DT in regards to Iowa and his leaving was always the biggest concern for me with that hire…
 
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LMFAO, some of you guys don't even read before you respond. I even said there may very well not be a single guy on the team that follows him. I simply said it is beyond ridiculous to say ANYONE that would follow him can't possibly "level up" if he does...Sheesh, I might as well get back to discussing Donald Trump with you...
How many people are you gonna argue with before you accept the fact that you may be out of step on this on? No coach meshes well with every athlete, but that wasn’t your issue at the beginning.

This reminds me. My old wrestling coach used to tell young kids that had a problem listening, “If someone tells you that you have a tail, **** um theyre lying. If two people tell you that you have a tail, screw um, they’re ganging up on you. If a third person tells you that you have a tail, well turn around.”

Point being the majority of the wrestling community thinks this is a great hire. Time will tell, but why argue semantics for three pages. You like to argue.
 
Here's the thing... NO ONE KNEW.

As far I as could tell, and the people in the know - he was planning on continuing competing. He had just signed with NIKE. Had he not lost to Aaron - he was doing another cycle.

This forum had been discussing it for months. Random forum posters were smart enough to know that if you were an AD it’d make sense to give DT a call. If I were an AD I’d have said “we’re still interested even if you make the team and can be on campus until the end of the summer”. There’s no risk and requires very little effort to make a call and let the person know that you’re interested in them.

I’m just saying, they get credit for making the correct final decision and sealing the deal, but it was an initial blunder to not reach out. Goes to show IMO that most ADs really aren’t deeply ingrained or informed of the niche sports.
 
How many people are you gonna argue with before you accept the fact that you may be out of step on this on? No coach meshes well with every athlete, but that wasn’t your issue at the beginning.

This reminds me. My old wrestling coach used to tell young kids that had a problem listening, “If someone tells you that you have a tail, **** um theyre lying. If two people tell you that you have a tail, screw um, they’re ganging up on you. If a third person tells you that you have a tail, well turn around.”

Point being the majority of the wrestling community thinks this is a great hire. Time will tell, but why argue semantics for three pages. You like to argue.
I literally said it was a great hire…..for OkState. That was NEVER the argument. The argument was always him at Iowa or how it affects Iowa…

Also, I am literally arguing with the same several guys that have been super vocal for DT for some time. It’s not like I have new guys that were Brands fans always that are now suddenly saying DT should have been the guy…
 
Not remotely true. First off my argument has never been against his recruiting well. I am sure he will start off on fire in that regard.

My arguments have really only been two fold:

1.) I did not believe firing Brands for him right now was the move.

2.) I didn’t think everyone should automatically anoint DT as the 2nd coming of Cael before he has even coached at the DI level.

If he is crushing Iowa in a couple years and already truly challenging PSU, I will happily give you guys whatever credit you want. But, I will still say that it doesn’t necessarily mean he would have done it at Iowa or even stayed at Iowa if another, better offer came to him soon.

Again, see Brands at VTech as exhibit A and Cael at ISU as exhibit B. There was never any love lost from DT in regards to Iowa and his leaving was always the biggest concern for me with that hire…

Already hedging lmfao.
 
Already hedging lmfao.
How in the hell is that hedging? I literally said the 2 topics I have been arguing about. Feel free to ask me specific questions now about DT as an OkState coach and I will happily give specific answers.

But DT having success at OkState when a new billionaire is supposedly willing to throw giant money at the program doesn’t automatically mean he would have destroyed it at Iowa or even stayed there long term.
 
SOME are upset about it - feel like Scott got the shaft. BUT - they all understand DT is the better hire. And Richison was not handing this money over to Scott.
At this point and time there are a lot more than some being upset.
They will probably get over it with time, but there are plenty who are pissed because they feel one of their own got screwed over.
 
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This forum had been discussing it for months. Random forum posters were smart enough to know that if you were an AD it’d make sense to give DT a call. If I were an AD I’d have said “we’re still interested even if you make the team and can be on campus until the end of the summer”. There’s no risk and requires very little effort to make a call and let the person know that you’re interested in them.

I’m just saying, they get credit for making the correct final decision and sealing the deal, but it was an initial blunder to not reach out. Goes to show IMO that most ADs really aren’t deeply ingrained or informed of the niche sports.
You calling me random? Lol
 
At this point and time there are a lot more than some being upset.
They will probably get over it with time, but there are plenty who are pissed because they feel one of their own got screwed over.
So, you got your finger on the pulse of the Okie St fan base? Buuu-shite.
 
So Coleman coming as an asst, bringing some guys with him. Gables back coming to Iowa. Ferraris are all aboard. Iowa gonna land some key additions in portal.
Been such a big offseason for the hawks hot dam!
 
Okie St made a tough choice that could potentially put THE PROGRAM back on top. They didn’t settle for a feel good hire. I do feel bad for CS getting caught in the perfect storm nobody could have foreseen.
I sometimes wonder if the storm wasn't created for the outcome OSU got. Money and power can make many things happen, and few of those things are by accident.
 
You bring Gable in for a one year circus and piss Kueter off, go ahead and fire Tom right now
This is silly. Kueter is a low percentage chance of competing for wrestling already. Being healthy after each football season and also starting the season in mid to late January is brutal. Especially for a top tier program. If it weren’t gable I would say it should be another top recruit that was wrestling full time and let the best man win at heavy. Nothing against Kueter - dude is great. But this type of thinking and undying loyalty is why we have staff that are multiple bars lower than the top tier program.
 
This forum had been discussing it for months. Random forum posters were smart enough to know that if you were an AD it’d make sense to give DT a call. If I were an AD I’d have said “we’re still interested even if you make the team and can be on campus until the end of the summer”. There’s no risk and requires very little effort to make a call and let the person know that you’re interested in them.

I’m just saying, they get credit for making the correct final decision and sealing the deal, but it was an initial blunder to not reach out. Goes to show IMO that most ADs really aren’t deeply ingrained or informed of the niche sports.
Great post. How wrestling fans knew DT was both an obvious choice and at a launch point for a head coaching position but ADs did not is bewildering. Some of the dumbest people on earth. They should have someone on staff whose required job duties is to scan sports forums for clues as to what's really happening out there.
 
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