Gabble Steveson to Iowa?
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Whatever you decide to do MSU, do not wager with Lambertt. He does not pay up when he loses. He runs his mouth then announces he's leaving the site when he loses a bet. Except he never actually left, just reserves to posting cute little whimsical sayings about once a week.
1.) I honestly think it will take year 1. I think they finish as runnerups next year. That's how much i believe in DT and crew as developers of talent. I'll add one caveat to that - IF the current starters stay on. Im hoping there's 0 attrition simply because i believe it would be a bad wrestling decision.
If guys leave? It's because they didn't want to live the lifestyle DT is going to demand.
2.) 3 years. He's going to get some big time recruits. I'm calling it now - he gets Jax AND Bassett. (then Melvin Miller)
3.) I don't know what success Brands will have, but I see us having the same results. Good regular seasons and fall apart at nationals like always
4.) He ain't leaving. Ever. He'll retire a okiest cowboy. For the simple reason that Carl is going another 10-15.
Same. Definitely respect you and your position. That's why I want you to come on over to my side! LOL
Your answer to 4 is the really big one to me. If he has the level of success you believe, along with that longevity, that would be incredible. IF, he was willing to stay at Iowa that long, with the same success, I would definitely say I should have come to your side...
Sorry, but no way. I am still behind Tommy and can't wait to see this board explode when A.J. officially dons the Iowa singlet!
vhsalum, sorry if you explained in earlier post, have you wanted a Iowa coaching staff change for awhile lets say between 2012-2019 when P{SU start really separating themselves from rest of the field or is more so 2022-current with some high profile wrestlers coming to an end of the international careers?
Was DT the only potential replacement for Tom or do you see others that could have the same impact DT would have?
Was DT the only potential replacement for Tom or do you see others that could have the same impact DT would have?
Bring in a guy who’s done it all in the sport of wrestling, or pass to not upset a multi sport guy. How about bring in the first guy to work with the 2nd guy and all upper weights and make everyone and the team better q
The thread got nuked i think - but i said it back in 2017/2018/2019.
and only JB could have the same type of initial impact that DT has. But I've known for a long time that JB wants nothing to do with college coaching.
You don’t think Dake would have a similar impact? Or even Askren?
Give it a rest, dude. You won already. TB ain’t fired and DT ain’t won a single match as an HC. As for your hyperventilating concern that “Taylor at Iowa or OSU” might only last a few years, it’s certainly possible. But every breath of life is risk, including crossing a street, driving a car, inhaling a virus, falling in love. For most parties considering a coaching change in college wrestling, DT represents THE risk worth taking, for the recruitment angle alone. “Stud stock” (see Spencer, Brooks, etc.) matters more than any technical fine tuning of ANY coach, even the Lion’s 3 C’s.
OSU is betting DT attracts such stock from both HS and the portal at a higher success rate than all others chasing PSU. Iowa honchos believe Tom can do the same. I repeat, you won.
No.
Dake - I just don't think he'd make that good of a HC. Obviously he's a big name, and that would put you in the discussion in terms of getting in front of every top recruit. But I'm not sure he'd be able to manage a team of wrestlers not built like him. That was his problem as an assistant coach.
Askren - it would take more time. He's an excellent developer of talent, and I think he would do well in in-home visits, but kids want to BE DT.
I also think DT would be the best possible/only option currently.....Not that is matters to anyone here but I'm not in the camp to be done with TnT and Mstar
Outside of the possible allegations with C Scott which I know nothing about. Does the The Okie St hiring of DT instead of C Scott give any of you similar feeling to Iowa hiring Tom Brands before he goes to O$U and Gable was large part of that happening.
Outside of the possible allegations with C Scott which I know nothing about. Does the The Okie St hiring of DT instead of C Scott give any of you similar feeling to Iowa hiring Tom Brands before he goes to O$U and Gable was large part of that happening.
There's exceptions to the portal closing.
Anytime there's a coaching change those athletes are eligible for a transfer. So the question is: are the PSU guys available because Jimmy Kennedy (a coach) has left the program.
Also, there's a loophole if they're transferring as non-scholarships athletes. NIL can offset scholarships which could see more in the portal past the cut off date.
Perhaps I'm not understanding these rules correctly, but there definitely seems to be a possibility for some limited movement between the 2 programs.
The 30 day immediate portal window is for when a head coach leaves the program not an assistant.
MSU - I get your points but let me ask you this. If DT was at Iowa and came in and recruited very well right off the bat, got Bassett and Forrest and Iowa won a national title or two in the next 4 to 5 years, wouldn't it be worth it if he left. I don't see much changing in the next 4 to 5 years with Tom at the helm and we will be battling for 2nd at best. I would probably roll the dice to try and finish on top than keep that status quo and hope we can all of sudden start recruiting better, start developing better, stay healthier, etc..
Honestly, NO! If he leaves without warning.... Look at what Brands leaving VTech and everyone good following him did to them. They almost cancelled the program and were very lucky they had someone like Dresser in their own backyard to come in and save them.
Look, Iowa isn't VTech and won't flat out die, but I think DT coming in, 100% changing everything and then leaving, could truly be DEVASTATING.
Uhm... so there is no date that this condition can be evaluated?
Or are you saying the original comeback in 5 years has been tripled?
No way I'm checking for this in 15 years. Extra hard pass.
No, sir. I think 5-6 years would be a strong sample size. That way he should be through a full cycle of his first recruits. You should also be able to see what he has changed, what he has built and if it is sustainable.
The only caveat at that point would be if Taylor left right after and took a lot with him. Even then you would definitely have enough to evaluate the coaching part.
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Why would he leave if he's winning? Brands left VTech for a major upgrade to Iowa. Iowa and OKST are premier wrestling schools. If you're winning a title or getting 2nd at those schools there's little risk of the coach leaving for greener pastures. Cael left ISU which again isn't on the same tier as OKST or Iowa.
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This takes some serious mental gymnastics to get to this point. If Ok St brings in DT and he changes the entire culture and approach of the program, gets big name recruits/transfers with the backing of a billionaire, builds up the RTC to a national powerhouse, and wins a national championship within 5 years, but Cael unexpectedly retires so he leaves to go back to PSU, the much more likely outcome is that the admin sees what the change of culture did for the program and knows the billionaire benefactor isn't going anywhere and just hires someone else who knows the program and will continue what DT started (Nolf, Hall, Nick Lee, etc.). Ok St with their history and a billionaire benefactor and the modern approach to wrestling and a world class RTC won't drop off at all. Just like if Cael retires tomorrows and Casey and Cody take over, nothing will change. Cael built the juggernaut, but it feeds off itself at this point. As long as there are national champion wrestlers in the room and world champions in the RTC, no one person will affect the empire.
Who's really going to remember this in 5-6 years, regardless of the 'escape' clause?
Surely something can happen in 5-6 years that would override each of the four conditions.
DT could have modest success for 3 years, and Coach Brands win one championship then stepdown on top with no heir apparent. What's the point of 5-6 years then?
So who's right then?
All the conditions seemed predicated on Coach Brands continuing for 5-6 years (i.e. "over the same span"). Frankly, I don't see that.
If you promise not to post again on this topic, I will admit that you were right and I was wrong, regardless of whether Iowa ever wins another title.
(P.S., I'm just giving you sh*t, MSU, I hope you don't take me seriously.)
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Imagine if Iowa had been too afraid to replace Kurdelmeier with Gable for fear that he would go elsewhere once he had success. Every day you run the risk of a coach getting into a car accident or being diagnosed with a potentially terminal disease. Tomorrow is never guaranteed. You hire the best person for the job, support them the best that you can, and see what happens.
You have my respect, my man. You would have to say something a lot worse and actually mean it before I would begin to get offended. In fact, from you, I would strongly consider what I did to get you there in the first place!
Uhhm, yes, because this is essentially the ceiling if TB stays and he will/should be gone in five years. I'm Joe by the way. And maybe Iowa diversifies a bit.
Brands needs all the national champions he can get whether it's a 1 year thing or not. BK has a long ways to go to be in NC discussion.
I don't think so. DT IMHO was the cornerstone of what Cael built, and this short Olympic cycle has him off the charts in name brand. Askren is a great talker, but his personality puts off parents I think. Dake being a 4 timer is amazing, for all his success, hard to see how his style translates across a spectrum of athletes.
If you listen to the press conference, when they thanked Colman and the other assistants for all they’ve done, when they waited for the applause from all the cowboy fans, all you could hear was crickets !! Colman must feel like a fool, giving up a D1 head coaching job for this screw job.
Sounds like there are some allegations of some sort aimed at coleman…of which no one will share what they are…Must be pretty serious 🤷♂️
The allegations are he stole from the RTC fundraising account. That’s what I’ve heard and read from other forums.
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He's planning to hit the portal on Aug 1.
All I know is that Coleman will need to be vetted thoroughly by his next employer. Trust is hard to earn and easy to lose. The smoke is coming from Stillwater, and the quote of the day was, “Coleman screwed Coleman”.
