Gable Dan Steveson
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"Yes. Anybody can choose to pay for any kids college. Any non scholarship wrestler can certainly use family money or friend money or private scholarship money. Not every kid has 40k a year laying around for a rainy day. You can legally start your own scholarship today and pick the winner. This is not unusual and certainly not illegal. "We have to stop all of these evil rich people paying for college for less fortunate kids" Really?"
This wouldn't pass NCAA rules/regs.... there are many in place. If what you are saying was allowed the richest fan base would use their own $$$ to pay for athletes tuition -and that is simply not allowed.
For example-- lets say Im a "friend" of Spencer Lee and I offer to pay 5 yrs of tuition and housing for him, thus freeing up a scholly for the wrestling team--- this would be an NCAA violation.
This wouldn't pass NCAA rules/regs.... there are many in place. If what you are saying was allowed the richest fan base would use their own $$$ to pay for athletes tuition -and that is simply not allowed.
For example-- lets say Im a "friend" of Spencer Lee and I offer to pay 5 yrs of tuition and housing for him, thus freeing up a scholly for the wrestling team--- this would be an NCAA violation.
Are you saying KJ has a concussion???
Heavens no. I'm just saying the "which college doesn't belong?" question should come right after the "what's your name?" question but right before the "where are you?" question on the concussion protocol continuum. The "who's Kevin Jackson and does he have a concussion?" question is on the Stanford Medical School entrance exam. Apples and oranges.
Maybe I have a concussion because I want to say Iowa State and Minnesota are not like the other three.
I think it might matter what kind of ties you have with the school on if the rich uncle situation you described could be pulled off. If you have no ties with the school you may actually be able to do what you described.
I was going to post that, but I don't usually rip on those two schools until after 3:00 PM. TIA
Oh, what the hell! It's 3:00 PM somewhere.
He's likely not a Gopher for the same reason as the other best Minny high school kids aren't. J is gone soon and the current assts couldn't inspire a horny guy with a bag full of Viagra.
In their defense, I'm not sure there are any D1 coaches that could inspire me in like manner.
I hereby officially declare ping today's winner of the internet.
We need "grappler6" to stop by today and tell us all the good things happening up North. You know... guys working hard, getting healthy, progress of redshirts, recruiting tailwinds, and the sort.
Oh wait... guess he won't be posting anytime soon! They got that MONSTER dual coming up against the fighting(literally) Jacksons.
Oh wait... guess he won't be posting anytime soon! They got that MONSTER dual coming up against the fighting(literally) Jacksons.
If they were paying for a typical student that would be perfectly fine, however; if that student plays in an official capacity for the university it is not legal for just random people to pay their tuition.....that is not legal what so ever, and those evil rich people you are referring to are called Boosters
I think not. As long as I am not connected to the school in any way I certainly can do this. Please show me the rule that says I can't. I can't find anything. Kids earn academic scholarships all of the time, and often don't need as much athletic money. Uncles,Aunts, and grandparents help out frequently and again this isn't illegal. A walk on can pay for his school pretty much anyway he can as long as the money doesn't come from a school affiliate. This is my understanding of the rule. Please post the specific rule that says I really missed on this wasdt21. If I'm wrong I will gladly stand corrected.
Boosters are school affiliated because they are "boosters" of that athletic program. I know our high school has a memorial scholly set up to award one senior every year- the family picks the recipient. Are you suggesting that a walk on wrestler receiving nothing in the way of athletic aide would be breaking a rule to accept this? If this really is the rule it is a sad thing indeed.
I really think you would be fine as long as the person is not a booster. I am aware of a situation just like this when I went to school.
Perhaps if the NCAA detected a pattern of a certain individual always giving money to guys that go to a certain school they would identify him as a "booster" by association. You never know how the NCAA will interpret their own rules when enforcement is at issue. As far as I know Bill Gates could decide to fully fund 100 walk on wrestlers a year and it would be ok as long as they picked the school rather than him. That would be cool.
There are exceptions to the rule, but for obvious reasons random people are not allowed to pay full tuition for a student-athlete in college to help open up scholarships for other athletes. If that was allowed it would be complete shit show and unfortunately there would be several programs in several sports that would take advantage of this in a negative way. As I said there are scholarships granted that have paper work and due process that is allowed, however; a rich club wrestling coach could not pay for his players tuition in college
I think he could as long as he doesn't involve himself in choosing the school. If he is only doing this for kids going to Iowa it would be a problem, but if he paid for 10 kids who selected a school of choice I think it is allowed. There is really not much to setting up a scholarship fund. Due process? Not sure how due process applies here?
We have a scholarship for our football program that is given annually for academic purposes only, there is a ton of paper work and NCAA clearance that is involved (what I was referring to as due process) that makes it far more challenging and complicated than you would think. That could only be done after have a 403(b) account set up for a certain amount of time and certainly laws and regulations were needed to be closely monitored by NCAA and IRS for this to happen.....long story short, a random person can not (as far as I know) pay for a student-athlete to be a walk on at any school without going through a crap ton of hoops etc etc. It is just not as simple as some AAU or Club coach being able to be like hey I am going to pay your way to be a walk-on. Now he could certainly pay for a student who was not going to be playing a sport, that is not regulated at all. But if you seriously think about how this could be abused you could see this as being a problem. Now, Kirk or Fran could certainly pay for their child's way because it is a direct family connection to be a student-athlete as a walk-on, but that is completely different
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How would anyone know if someone simply gave a kid $$$ to attend U of ABC?
Seems like it could be difficult to monitor.
And even more difficult to monitor/prosecute if you simply promise to pay off their loans once they are done with college or give them a job in which you overpay them if they accept a lesser scholarship.
The PSU/tOSU meet was on Friday night. I could see Mark and Gable catching flight that evening or the next morning and still be there to train in Valley. After we got a commitment from Mark hall when most everyone dismissed the early interest, I would not discount those who say PSU is on his short list.
Just say'n
I have no idea if he was there or not but there's definitely a discrepancy between what you are stating and what some over on the PSU board are saying. Earlier in the thread you said Steveson mentioned on takedown radio that PSU is a school he is interested in. Then later on you said your source that has ties to Apple Valley said he has no interest in PSU. Sounds like all kinds of talk flying from every direction to me. Kinda reminds me of the Mark Hall recruiting process all over again.
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A booster can adopt an athlete like UFlorida did with 5 star Sharief Floyd to get him away from PSU. Floyd already had parents who did not support the adoption but the kid was over 18 and wanted the Mercedes and the new house compliments of his new daddy/booster so his parents had no say in the adoption. It is not against the rules to give your kid or new adopted kid a car and home per NCAA.
Here is a link that gives a pretty good rundown of NCAA rules, the definition of an athletic representative, a student-athlete, and the rules around benefits to student athletes.
Guide to NCAA rules for Alumni, Boosters, and Friends
Guide to NCAA rules for Alumni, Boosters, and Friends
If it were as easy as you're suggesting, there wouldn't be an athlete on the planet that is paying to go to Division I College in any way, shape or form.
Gable was not at PSU this past weekend.
There is a greater chance that he wrestles for the Oregon Ducks then transfers and wrestles for the Texas Longhorns than him ever wearing a PSU singlet.
There is a greater chance that he wrestles for the Oregon Ducks then transfers and wrestles for the Texas Longhorns than him ever wearing a PSU singlet.
Does this also mean Gavin Teasdale will not likely wear a PSU singlet either? From what I recall, someone posted that one of the 2 announced that they would be signing as a 'package deal' or something like that. Unless they were joking and it went completely over my head.
What this means is that Gable, Gavin Teasdale, Spencer Lee, and Brady Berge will all be Hawks.
He said during his interview with Takedown Radio a few months back that he and Roman Bravo-Young were planning to go to the same college. (That's the same interview when he said the schools he was thinking about where Minnesota, tOSU, Penn State, Okie State and Iowa State.) And he Tweeted a few weeks ago that he and Gavin Teasdale were going to the same school. Pretty soon he's going to have more lightweight underclassmen committed to wrestling with him in college than Tom Brands does.
So are the little guys just hoping to eat off the table scraps the big fella leaves behind? What's the connection?
