Garza foul trouble and use of Ogundele

[KcTo]

Although Fran played Garza 38 minutes v tOSU, and Murray filling in for those 2 minutes (of which Liddel backed him down 2x for easy turnarounds) the scenario will arrive (Not if, but when) Garza gets in fouls trouble and the opposing team has a Cockburn, Dickinson (along with a cadre of PF, for ex. Wagner), what will Fran do?
1. will Fran use Ogundele?
2. will Fran revert back to his ‘Iowa-can’t-play-defense-insecurities‘ and fall back into the awful zone defense (defensive term used loosely) and in this case an undersized zone at that?
3. will rely on the foul prone Murray to defend the center position, but risking losing Murray’s minutes owing to increased fouls and losing the box score stuffing contributions?

what is your opinion if different than what Fran will do?

 

[silasstarr]

I'd prefer Iowa went small and bring in JoeT and Murray and pressure the hell out of perimeter players and jump passing lanes rather than go with Ogundele. Josh maybe good down the road, but throwing him in against Cockburn would not be pretty.

 

[C/Seahawk]

Although Fran played Garza 38 minutes v tOSU, and Murray filling in for those 2 minutes (of which Liddel backed him down 2x for easy turnarounds) the scenario will arrive (Not if, but when) Garza gets in fouls trouble and the opposing team has a Cockburn, Dickinson (along with a cadre of PF, for ex. Wagner), what will Fran do?
1. will Fran use Ogundele?
2. will Fran revert back to his ‘Iowa-can’t-play-defense-insecurities‘ and fall back into the awful zone defense (defensive term used loosely) and in this case an undersized zone at that?
3. will rely on the foul prone Murray to defend the center position, but risking losing Murray’s minutes owing to increased fouls and losing the box score stuffing contributions?

what is your opinion different than what Fran will do?

I have to believe Kr Murray would be in line for minutes before Josh, even if he is undersized in the post. The Murray's' may be shorter than Ogundele but they do have good length and are better prepared to provide quality minutes at this stage in their respective careers based on the small sample size we've seen.

 

[Slim45]

I wouldn’t mind seeing josh o in certain situations. Couple minutes in both halves. He’s got a BIG frame and if he can play decent d and get some rebounds that would be enough. Id tell him to play very physical, bc who cares if he gets 2-3 fouls in a short time! Nebraska (hopefully) will be a good time to get him out there and see where he’s at. He may surprise us, who knows!

 

[SotaHawk87]

Nebraska won’t be a pushover but my goodness would it be a nice game if starters could log 25-28 minutes instead of 34-38..

 

[TrianglePlace]

Ogundele is not going to play unless disaster strikes for Iowa this season.

 

[Rifler]

Ogundele is not going to play unless disaster strikes for Iowa this season.

Or we put an extreme beat down on somebody...

 

[KcTo]

I have to believe Kr Murray would be in line for minutes before Josh, even if he is undersized in the post. The Murray's' may be shorter than Ogundele but they do have good length and are better prepared to provide quality minutes at this stage in their respective careers based on the small sample size we've seen.

Kofi 7ft 285 lbs
Ogundele 6 10 285
Murray 6 7, 215

Murray’s length has no chance against Cockburns strength and size. Keegan will get broken.
IMHO

 

[TrianglePlace]

Or we put an extreme beat down on somebody...

Right, he wont play minutes outside of mop up duty is what I meant.

 

[KcTo]

Or we put an extreme beat down on somebody...

Fran should run Ogundele with the starting units vs Nebraska

 

[CleteyColgate]

Although Fran played Garza 38 minutes v tOSU, and Murray filling in for those 2 minutes (of which Liddel backed him down 2x for easy turnarounds) the scenario will arrive (Not if, but when) Garza gets in fouls trouble and the opposing team has a Cockburn, Dickinson (along with a cadre of PF, for ex. Wagner), what will Fran do?
1. will Fran use Ogundele?
2. will Fran revert back to his ‘Iowa-can’t-play-defense-insecurities‘ and fall back into the awful zone defense (defensive term used loosely) and in this case an undersized zone at that?
3. will rely on the foul prone Murray to defend the center position, but risking losing Murray’s minutes owing to increased fouls and losing the box score stuffing contributions?

what is your opinion different than what Fran will do?

I don't think JO will play much anymore this season. Had this injury to Nunge happened within the first 10-15 games, maybe.

 

[retrodent]

Although Fran played Garza 38 minutes v tOSU, and Murray filling in for those 2 minutes (of which Liddel backed him down 2x for easy turnarounds) the scenario will arrive (Not if, but when) Garza gets in fouls trouble and the opposing team has a Cockburn, Dickinson (along with a cadre of PF, for ex. Wagner), what will Fran do?
1. will Fran use Ogundele? When Murray gets in foul trouble he just switches jerseys with his twin!! Duh
2. will Fran revert back to his ‘Iowa-can’t-play-defense-insecurities‘ and fall back into the awful zone defense (defensive term used loosely) and in this case an undersized zone at that?
3. will rely on the foul prone Murray to defend the center position, but risking losing Murray’s minutes owing to increased fouls and losing the box score stuffing contributions?

what is your opinion different than what Fran will do?

 

[kcgolfer]

We play better when we go small and quick.

 

[hawkquiz]

I really feel sorry for Keegan. Hes really a SF being asked to play PF and even some back up C now.

 

[Rifler]

Fran should run Ogundele with the starting units vs Nebraska

I hate to say this but from what I've seen Nebraska is too athletic for Josh right now...

 

[CaboKP]

The situation I think would warrant playing Josh requires 3 things and all need to be true.

• Foul trouble for Garza (not very frequent)
• Foul trouble for Keegan (gets called for looking at another player's hand)
• The opposing big is very large. (Illinois / Mich)

I think the most likely scenario is both Keegan and Garza are given a slightly longer leash on fouls when playing the really big guys.

 

[CleteyColgate]

I really feel sorry for Keegan. Hes really a SF being asked to play PF and even some back up C now.

Whatever helps the team.

 

[C/Seahawk]

Kofi 7ft 285 lbs
Ogundele 6 10 285
Murray 6 7, 215

Murray’s length has no chance against Cockburns strength and size. Keegan will get broken.
IMHO

I get it, Murray in the post is not ideal but they are better rebounders and athletes and lets be honest, we're simply talking about a hypothetical matchup with Illinois and Kofi. I believe its been reported Ke Murray cut his teeth against Garza in scrimmages all summer before the arrival of JO and Nunge was cleared to practice in full, so he's at least had some experience in dealing with an overpowering opponent in the post that presents a significant size disadvantage. If Garza has to sit due to foul troubles in the evnet we play Illinois in the BTT or Big Dance, Kofi is going to have his way with anyone we put on him but then look at it from the other side, who is Kofi going to have to guard? At least with Ke or Kr Murray we might be able to exploit mismatches on the offensive end just as Illinois would on the defensive end. If Ogundele is out on the floor, he poses no threat whatsoever so its a disadvantage on both ends of the court.

 

[C/Seahawk]

I really feel sorry for Keegan. Hes really a SF being asked to play PF and even some back up C now.

I wouldn't feel sorry for him and I suspect his father would say the same thing. The kid seems to take on any role he is handed with pleasure and a very businesslike attitude and demeanor. He will simply put his head down and grind whether he is playing the wing or forced into action in the post.

The beauty of his game and skill set is he is very versatile and has the ability to help the team at multiple positions. At a reported 6'8 with his length, he really isn't out of position playing the power forward spot if need be. I"m not sure I've been more pleasantly surprised with an Iowa player than Keegan Murray in my 40+ years of watching the Hawks. Aaron White previously held that distinction for me but considering Murray's path to Iowa and lack of D1 offers, he has certainly forced me to enjoy a healthy serving of crow.

 

[MAXIMUSHAWKEYE]

I'd prefer Iowa went small and bring in JoeT and Murray and pressure the hell out of perimeter players and jump passing lanes rather than go with Ogundele. Josh maybe good down the road, but throwing him in against Cockburn would not be pretty.

He could at least foul him. Cockburn is a poor ft shooter

 

[silasstarr]

He could at least foul him. Cockburn is a poor ft shooter

That's a good point.

 

[TJFant]

JO is hopefully a diamond in the rough but may very well be a wasted scholarship.

 

[KcTo]

He could at least foul him. Cockburn is a poor ft shooter

This is exactly what you have in Ogundele, 5 fouls, and using him to ‘hack a shaq‘. To think that Kofi is about 100% on dunks, but only a 55% FT shooter as was totally exposed at tMSU going 3-11, so taking 5 dunks and turn them into 3-11, while spelling Garza, seems like a pretty smart use of Ogundele’s available asset.

 

[unoHawkeye]

JO is hopefully a diamond in the rough but may very well be a wasted scholarship.

He has a really high floor as a rebounder and passer imo. It may take a couple/few years, but he should absolutely be a contributor at some point as he learns how to use his weight and develops his basketball IQ. He’s in a similar situation as Olaseni where he’s only been playing for a few years (2015?)

6’11, 270+, relatively athletic, with decent touch can’t be taught! He says he likes to pass out of the post and is supposedly a good shooter as well. I see a little taller Trevion Williams in his future

 

[UncannyNanny]

JO is nowhere near ready to play.

 

[HawksRMe]

I think I'd rather see Pmac defend in the middle and keep Keegan from getting any extra fouls.

 

[hooper56]

JO is nowhere near ready to play.

says the guy who watches practice almost every day. You may be right or you may be wrong, but you don't know.

 

[hooper56]

I think I'd rather see Pmac defend in the middle and keep Keegan from getting any extra fouls.

Actually having PMAC front him would make it real difficult for him to catch the ball.

 

[StarHawk]

Nebraska, like some other big10 teams, has 3 centers that they rotate every game and all of them can play...so I imagine that their strategy (again like some other big10 teams) will be to have their 3 guys go at Garza hard hoping to trade fouls...and then they can afford to lose 1 or 2 of those guys to foul trouble....Iowa can't.

I do think Murray or Patrick can stand their own against any of Nebraska's big guys if needed. Against the Illinois center...no way. The loss of Nunge has not that much impact as far as filling a big man void....let's face it Nunge played like a small guy...not a guy 6'11...on offense he roamed outside...on defense he lacked quickness and jumping ability...he usually only was a factor for rebounds that fell right to him.

I agree with earlier post that Nebraska will not be a pushover. Hoiberg has a big roster of transfers he brought in that can at times look very good. How he ever stays below scholarship limits is beyond me.

 

[UncannyNanny]

says the guy who watches practice almost every day. You may be right or you may be wrong, but you don't know.

Anyone with a brain knows after watching him play. It’s not a knock on the kid, he’s young. It’s just the truth.

 

[hooper56]

Anyone with a brain knows after watching him play. It’s not a knock on the kid, he’s young. It’s just the truth.

When did you watch him play? Mop up seconds? You can tell nothing from that.

 

[Hawksfor3]

This is exactly what you have in Ogundele, 5 fouls, and using him to ‘hack a shaq‘. To think that Kofi is about 100% on dunks, but only a 55% FT shooter as was totally exposed at tMSU going 3-11, so taking 5 dunks and turn them into 3-11, while spelling Garza, seems like a pretty smart use of Ogundele’s available asset.

With a decent lead, Josh could get valuable minutes. Until he is able to compete with athletic players, I'd use him sparingly. There's one thing that stands out in my mind about him. I noticed that when he first got into games, he had the propensity to block shots and not just stand there with hands straight up. Maybe he could become a major shot-blocker some day?

 

[UncannyNanny]

When did you watch him play? Mop up seconds? You can tell nothing from that.

You can’t tell how good someone is at basketball from watching then play basketball? CLOWN. 🤡

 

[hooper56]

You can’t tell how good someone is at basketball from watching then play basketball? CLOWN. 🤡

Again, cause you seem to not be understanding...when did you see him play? He hasn't had any significant minutes with Iowa.

 

[UncannyNanny]

Again, cause you seem to not be understanding...when did you see him play? He hasn't had any significant minutes with Iowa.

You’re an idiot.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

You can’t tell how good someone is at basketball from watching THEN play basketball? CLOWN. 🤡

You make it too easy to point out who the clown is. How many minutes have you actually watched JO play? I’ve only seen a handful of minutes in mop up duty and that tells me nothing! Lol at you!

 

[KcTo]

Nebraska, like some other big10 teams, has 3 centers that they rotate every game and all of them can play...so I imagine that their strategy (again like some other big10 teams) will be to have their 3 guys go at Garza hard hoping to trade fouls...and then they can afford to lose 1 or 2 of those guys to foul trouble....Iowa can't.

I do think Murray or Patrick can stand their own against any of Nebraska's big guys if needed. Against the Illinois center...no way. The loss of Nunge has not that much impact as far as filling a big man void....let's face it Nunge played like a small guy...not a guy 6'11...on offense he roamed outside...on defense he lacked quickness and jumping ability...he usually only was a factor for rebounds that fell right to him.

I agree with earlier post that Nebraska will not be a pushover. Hoiberg has a big roster of transfers he brought in that can at times look very good. How he ever stays below scholarship limits is beyond me.

nebraska took Illinois to OT in Lincoln and throttled Rutgers.... and Hoiberg totally out coached Fran last year, so that guy can devise a game plan that has the potential to beat a man-down Iowa team

In my view there is still no reason good reason posited here why Ogundele can’t play 1-2 minutes at a time to rest Garza, while protecting Murray from needless exposure to fouls.

 

[CleteyColgate]

nebraska took Illinois to OT in Lincoln and throttled Rutgers.... and Hoiberg totally out coached Fran last year, so that guy can devise a game plan that has the potential to beat a man-down Iowa team

In my view there is still no reason good reason posited here why Ogundele can’t play 1-2 minutes at a time to rest Garza, while protecting Murray from needless exposure to fouls.

I'm sure he will if coach thinks he's ready

 

[UncannyNanny]

You make it too easy to point out who the clown is. How many minutes have you actually watched JO play? I’ve only seen a handful of minutes in mop up duty and that tells me nothing! Lol at you!

You must be new to watching sports. Again, he might be a good player someday. Definitely not ready to play this year. Anyone with a brain who has seen him play this year knows it, besides you because you’re a simp.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

You must be new to watching sports. Again, he might be a good player someday. Definitely not ready to play this year. Anyone with a brain who has seen him play this year knows it, besides you because you’re a simp.

Good job, you got every word correct this time. How many times did you have your mom proof read that for you? I agree with plenty of other posters who have clearly stated that it’s more beneficial to the team to have JO collect fouls instead of Murray. Nobody is asking him to score, just be a big body and don’t allow any easy baskets, I think he could handle that for a couple minutes a game, especially against Nebby!