As in so many games, it's determined by special teams...and ISU is horrible by any measure. Hell, Campball doesn't have a kicker that can hit the end zone on a kick off.
And don't get me started on the ISU punt return team.
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And don't get me started on the ISU punt return team.
This from a fan of a team who hasn't won an outright Big 10 Football Championship in 36 years.
But ask any Iowa fan, and 99.9% would say it's happened in the past 10 years.
lol - Indiana, Wisconsin, N’Western, and Minny will all be tougher opponents than isu, who I would put on par with Purdue on Iowa’s strength of schedule this season.
Iowa won 10 games last year? Did Nebraska count as 5 wins lol
I get what you’re saying and there is no way to prove who was better last year. Iowa was really looking good in November and their last 2 opponents chickened out under the guise of Covid.
How do you know isu was “better” than Iowa last season since there was no head-to-head match up.
And ISU has literally never won an outright title in football. Not once.
Maybe that might change this fall, but take it easy on the red-and-gold koolaid. The higher the expectations, the greater the disappointment.
A game that never happened nor counted as a forfeit. The hand was forced by the conference and not by the school.
It you were moderately literate and aware (not a strength of ISU fans or alums) you'd recognize a typo which was subsequently corrected. It's OK...I don't expect you to...I know the animal I'm dealing with.
I agree. Our football history pretty much sucks.
But a history of playing in sponsored named new year's day games doesn't make your program elite. Again, 36 years since you won an outright Big 10 championship.
You're a pretty good program. That's it.
ISU is undefeated in hypothetical games...it's a foundation of their reality.
Iowa State recruited a kickoff specialist who was coined "Strongest kickoff leg in the country." Tyler Bittman. According to Kohl's kicking camp, "He has arguably the strongest kickoff leg in the country. In the winter, he charted a big ball of 85 yards with 4.37 seconds of hangtime and won the kickoff competition."
Reports from Spring practice he kicks it through the endzone with regularity. It was a point of emphasis this offseason an argument could be made it cost us a couple of losses last year including the Big 12 title game.
So, 6-2. Against a very weak schedule.
Hell, you never touch Ohio State. But, I get it--with 174 teams in your weak ass conference, it's hard to play everyone more than once every ten-fifteen years.
Rutgers fills in nicely.
Pathetic joke of a conference.
True. Unless you consider things like money, prestige, history, academics, NCs...all of which are clearly meaningless.
Is the B12 really any better than the B1G? There’s a great team in OU, a maybe-great team in ISU, a few bowl eligible teams and then scrubs like Kansas and Texas Tech. It’s not the MAC, but it’s not the SEC West either.
Really though, college football is way down as a whole (which honestly at least partially explains why ISU is a top 3 B12 caliber team as of late). There are just a small handful of elite teams and often one or two playoff spots are little more than formalities, fodder for the real championship contenders.
Who knows, maybe ISU can get lucky and beat OU in the B12 CCG and make the playoffs. Maybe they can beat a Notre Dame in a semifinal. But they are going to be in for a rude awakening should they face a Clemson or Bama.
Who said Iowa’s football program is “elite”. I agree with you that Iowa is a pretty damn good program.
lol - Big 10 is overall stronger football conference than Big 12.
The yellow, yes. If you’re seeing the black, you better go see the doctor as you have an internal bleeding issue.
I have no problem with your logic. I'd even give you Ohio State better than Oklahoma in recent years.
The problem I have is a conference where teams (Iowa, Wisconsin) usually do not play the premier team in it's conference, yet seem to believe their school is on a diamond platter above their rivals in the state. (Big 10 has to live with terrible decision to add Maryland and Rutgers.)
Yes, you have beat us in recent years. Matt Campbell's biggest Achilles is starting the season slow, and you are game 2 most seasons. That doesn't define an entire season however.
Solid points.
Wisconsin is above their rival in their state. Platteville may argue.
Feel free to argue that Iowa isn’t above ISU. National Championship (s), nope
Heisman Trophy, nope
Any outright conference championship, nope
Head to head, nope
Top 10 finishes, nope
Top 25 finishes, nope
All Americans, nope
Shared conference championships, nope
Draft picks, nope
The tide may be turning but it hasn’t yet. I appreciate your support for your team.
You can call that logic or you can call it fact. Either way it’s not really debatable. Do I wish the B1G had less teams and a round robin? Sure. What it doesn’t change are the facts of the matter. Enjoy the sunshine, it doesn’t shine on the same dogs rump. I hope it stays for awhile in Ames, makes things more enjoyable to discuss.
There is some funny crap in this thread. ISU has a decent season and now their on par with Iowa and possibly playing for the championship. Clone and Husker fans, it just never changes. So much hope followed by so much disappointment(till next year)
You should stop talking about conference championships. I’m embarrassed for you.
And you’re pounding your chest about the ‘2-0’ forfeit that never happened? You’re like a parody of an Iowa State fan...😂
Big 12 is a HS conference compared to Big Ten. Very, very little talent.
You’ve won one major bowl since 1958. And the team you beat in that one win ended up abandoning their loss in that bowl due to infractions.
We’ve won major bowl in the past six months.
I fully concur that Iowa has a better football history than us.
You’ve been good. But you’re not elite. Yet 95% of your fans think you are.
So, you don’t think that football programs like Wisconsin & Iowa are on a higher level than isu? While the clones appear to be trending up, they are still overall on a rung below programs like Wisconsin and Iowa on the national scale.
You beat a 4-3 Oregon team that finished unranked in the worst Fiesta Bowl matchup in history😂. Iowa’s win over Mississippi State and USC were more impressive than the greatest ISU bowl win.
As for Georgia Tech, their ‘infractions’ were using one ineligible player. I guess Iowa would have won by more if he didn’t play?
95% of the fans don’t consider Iowa ‘elite’...you don’t get points for just making shit up. Elite or not, Iowa is a better program historically and currently in every phase than Iowa State.
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Why are you lumping Iowa in the same category as Wisconsin? Do you think they are comparable programs right now?
Both Iowa and ISU fans are unreliable in evaluating the strength of their conferences. Too much bias.
Let’s turn to a neutral evaluation: the NFL draft.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...ecord-finishes-on-top-for-15th-straight-year/
SEC - 65 draft picks
Big Ten - 44 draft picks
ACC - 42 draft picks
PAC 12 - 28 draft picks
Big 12 - 22 draft picks
AAC - 19 draft picks
Not only does the Big Ten double the Big 12, the Big 12 is closer to the top G5 conference than the 4th best P5 conference.
No Iowa fans think Iowa is elite in college football! There is a higher likelihood that Iowa State fans think Iowa is elite for 2 reasons: 1) They think Iowa State is close to elite. 2) They know Iowa owns Iowa State is football.
Now run the numbers for basketball. Compare current players on NBA rosters from the Big 12 and Big Ten (keeping in mind one conference has ten teams the other has 14) particularly Iowa vs. Iowa State and lets hear your analysis.
You could ask this question on the basketball board. Since this is a football board, let's stick to football.
It’s ok, I’d want to change the subject away from football too if I was a big 12 fan.
Has your current coach made it a clown state since he arrived?
Then go back to your grazing cheerleaders.
Clones are a preseason top 5 ranked team in college football after a top ten finish a year ago. No need to change the subject.
If we were talking basketball ISU has a leg to stand on. But we aren't talking basketball and it took covid for Iowa State to finish in the top 25 for 3rd time ever and first time in 20 seasons (finished 25 in 00). We know clowns are delusional and love denying history just STFU about your clown program and conference. No Iowa isn't elite, doesn't have to be to stand head and shoulders over moo U
Edit: tally final 4's in the last 20, not like little 12 has been great there either
Honestly it would be better to hope Iowa crushes them then both teams have incredible years. Normally don’t want anything good for the Clowns buuuut they are currently ranked better than us and it would be great coverage for us if we beat them by a good amount after the media has talked about how good they will be.
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