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Yesterday morning on the way to work I stopped at my local big box store to buy some food for my wife's cat. Even though my ammo lockers are full just out of curiosity I went to the sporting goods ammo case to see if Thursdays mass shooting was already showing up in the previously well stocked (except .22LR) ammo selves.

On the way home I stopped at a sporting goods store to pick up a few items needed in my fishing tackle box and checked out their ammo/gun counter.

Guess what I found? Not surprisingly, the big box was wiped out of .223/5.56mm and most popular pistol calibers were either out or nearly out. Pretty much the same thing at the sporting goods store. There I talked to an employee and was told that they were bringing in extra help for the gun counter this weekend because of the spike in sales they know they will have.

I don't think we will see much change in these mass shootings as long as there is so much $$$$ being made from them.
 
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ghost80 said:
Yesterday morning on the way to work I stopped at my local big box store to buy some food for my wife's cat. Even though my ammo lockers are full just out of curiosity I went to the sporting goods ammo case to see if Thursdays mass shooting was already showing up in the previously well stocked (except .22LR) ammo selves.

On the way home I stopped at a sporting goods store to pick up a few items needed in my fishing tackle box and checked out their ammo/gun counter.

Guess what I found? Not surprisingly, the big box was wiped out of .223/5.56mm and most popular pistol calibers were either out or nearly out. Pretty much the same thing at the sporting goods store. There I talked to an employee and was told that they were bringing in extra help for the gun counter this weekend because of the spike in sales they know they will have.

I don't think we will see much change in these mass shootings as long as there is so much $$$$ being made from them.
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The interesting part of your comment is this....... Mass shootings account for less than 1% of all gun crimes in this country, but they are the most dramatic, and get the most attention. Meanwhile, the gang violence and suicides...which accounts for the majority of gun crimes in the US.....goes undiscussed, and unchecked, and no one EVER even approaches possible solutions to those much larger problems.

I understand completely, that the reason that mass shootings get the most coverage is because it usually comes as a surprise, and they take direct aim at innocent and unsuspecting people. But we need to engage in an honest discussion about gun violence as a whole, and attack every problem, and not just focus on the smallest part of the problem just because it evokes the most emotion.

If we want to be serious about Guns in this country........these are the issues that need to be addressed first and foremost.

1. Curbing the illegal possession of guns(will never be a zero sum game, but measures need to be figured out and put in place)
2. Inner city gun violence solutions(where the majority of gun violence happens
3. Mental Health issues and how to properly screen for them constitutionally
4. Leaving law abiding gun owners alone. They are not the problem.
5. Doing our best to closing people slipping thru the cracks in our background checks(not a big problem, but it does happen...and also will never be a zero sum game)



And no........Torg.......people practicing their inalienable right is not a "win" for the NRA. It's a win for us all.
 
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On my deathbed, I hope to look back and know that I fought as had as I could for the ability of Americans to kill other Americans.
 
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ghost80 said:
Yesterday morning on the way to work I stopped at my local big box store to buy some food for my wife's cat. Even though my ammo lockers are full just out of curiosity I went to the sporting goods ammo case to see if Thursdays mass shooting was already showing up in the previously well stocked (except .22LR) ammo selves.

On the way home I stopped at a sporting goods store to pick up a few items needed in my fishing tackle box and checked out their ammo/gun counter.

Guess what I found? Not surprisingly, the big box was wiped out of .223/5.56mm and most popular pistol calibers were either out or nearly out. Pretty much the same thing at the sporting goods store. There I talked to an employee and was told that they were bringing in extra help for the gun counter this weekend because of the spike in sales they know they will have.

I don't think we will see much change in these mass shootings as long as there is so much $$$$ being made from them.
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So . . . basically the folks yelling the loudest that we shouldn't get too upset about these shootings - and certainly not feel the need to make better gun laws - are so frightened that they rush out to buy ammo.

Pussy bed-wetters.
 
What Would Jesus Do? said:
So . . . basically the folks yelling the loudest that we shouldn't get too upset about these shootings - and certainly not feel the need to make better gun laws - are so frightened that they rush out to buy ammo.

Pussy bed-wetters.
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My wife's cat never wets our bed. She isn't allowed in the bedroom.

I sleep nice and dry....just like my ammo.

Making sure to have a decent supply of ammo is wise especially if you have purchased it when the prices are low and readily available. What good is a car without gas? What good is a person without food? It would be much easier for politicians to target what guns eat instead of getting rid of the guns themselves.
 
ghost80 said:
Yesterday morning on the way to work I stopped at my local big box store to buy some food for my wife's cat. Even though my ammo lockers are full just out of curiosity I went to the sporting goods ammo case to see if Thursdays mass shooting was already showing up in the previously well stocked (except .22LR) ammo selves.

On the way home I stopped at a sporting goods store to pick up a few items needed in my fishing tackle box and checked out their ammo/gun counter.

Guess what I found? Not surprisingly, the big box was wiped out of .223/5.56mm and most popular pistol calibers were either out or nearly out. Pretty much the same thing at the sporting goods store. There I talked to an employee and was told that they were bringing in extra help for the gun counter this weekend because of the spike in sales they know they will have.

I don't think we will see much change in these mass shootings as long as there is so much $$$$ being made from them.
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You should sell some of your ammo at 2X costs and go buy double the amount once the crazies are done buying up ammo they will never need.
 
My favorite ammo sites haven't changed prices at all. And there is plenty available as well.
 
unIowa said:
You should sell some of your ammo at 2X costs and go buy double the amount once the crazies are done buying up ammo they will never need.
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After Sandy Hook in the thick of the ammo shortage I could have shot less and sold half my ammo for big profits but I didn't. My personal thoughts are that it would have been "blood money". I have disdain for those individuals and businesses who take advantage of these tragic events and use them as an opportunity to raise their prices above the manufacturer suggested retail price. They have the right to do it but I also have the right to never do business again with these gougers.

I have however given or sold at cost small amounts of ammo to friends/range buddies who were in need.
 
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razer? How's third grade remedial spelling class working out for you?
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Razer, for gamers, by gamers. It works. Proudly defending out of the box spelling alternatives.
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ghost80 said:
After Sandy Hook in the thick of the ammo shortage I could have shot less and sold half my ammo for big profits but I didn't. My personal thoughts are that it would have been "blood money". I have disdain for those individuals and businesses who take advantage of these tragic events and use them as an opportunity to raise their prices above the manufacturer suggested retail price. They have the right to do it but I also have the right to never do business again with these gougers.

I have however given or sold at cost small amounts of ammo to friends/range buddies who were in need.
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I sold about 300 rounds to a friend that won an AR15 from a Wounded Warriors raffle and wanted to shoot some. Most of the so called shortage was people lining up and clearing the shelves so they could line their own pockets. Just Americans being Americans I guess.
 
Gimmered said:
Yeah but they don't have a preconceived idea that we need to get people to look at guns like we did cigarettes so those statistics don't count.
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Could that happen? Could we make owning a gun socially unacceptable, but still legal?
 
naturalmwa said:
Could that happen? Could we make owning a gun socially unacceptable, but still legal?
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That was why the CDC lost it's funding to do studies on gun violence. They announced that was their goal before the study even started.
They actually did do another study after Sandy Hook after Obama issued an executive for them to do so. There was so much in it for the gun control group not to like that they can't even use it to further their agenda.
BTW I could not care less if you think it is acceptable for me to own a gun. That would be your problem not mine.
 
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Gimmered said:
That was why the CDC lost it's funding to do studies on gun violence. They announced that was their goal before the study even started.
They actually did do another study after Sandy Hook after Obama issued an executive for them to do so. There was so much in it for the gun control group not to like that they can't even use it to further their agenda.
BTW I could not care less if you think it is acceptable for me to own a gun. That would be your problem not mine.
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We could make it your problem. Just like we treat smokers as 2nd class citizens, we could treat gun owners that way if we wanted.
 
naturalmwa said:
We could make it your problem. Just like we treat smokers as 2nd class citizens, we could treat gun owners that way if we wanted.
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Why is it ALWAYS about creating a narrative, not matter how false? You already DO lump all gun owners in to the "Nut" category, no matter how responsible they are, just because they refuse to bend to YOUR way of thinking.

When did liberalism become about control? Control how we talk, control how we are supposed to think, control how we act, control how we enjoy our lives.....etc etc etc? I lean left on social issues, but I'll never tell someone how they are supposed to lead their lives, then stomp my feet, scream and pout when they don't think like I do.

Yes the conservative side is nasty and have their own brand of the same thing. But the "Liberal" side is supposed to be the side of inclusion for all. Not inclusion for those who follow our ideology, and do what we say, and what we do....and live how we tell you to live.
 
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The ULTIMATE irony is Natural trying to suggest a group should be able to treat others as "second class citizens".

Seriously, you are a huge hypocrite if you actually believe that should be done? Especially when there are constitutional rights involved already.

Alpha up.
 
Gimmered said:
Really not a thing you could try to do that would bother me. Remember I have the Bill of Rights on my side. Smokers? Not so much.
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Note I'm not trying to make this personal, this is just a thought exercise with personal pronouns. But the BoR only protects you from the government. I can discriminate against you all I like. So if we as a society somehow popularly came to the position that gun owners were scum like we think of smokers, we certainly could make life harder for gun owners with no government involvement at all. (see how republican I can be?)
 
Hawk in SEC Country said:
Why is it ALWAYS about creating a narrative, not matter how false? You already DO lump all gun owners in to the "Nut" category, no matter how responsible they are, just because they refuse to bend to YOUR way of thinking.

When did liberalism become about control? Control how we talk, control how we are supposed to think, control how we act, control how we enjoy our lives.....etc etc etc? I lean left on social issues, but I'll never tell someone how they are supposed to lead their lives, then stomp my feet, scream and pout when they don't think like I do.

Yes the conservative side is nasty and have their own brand of the same thing. But the "Liberal" side is supposed to be the side of inclusion for all. Not inclusion for those who follow our ideology, and do what we say, and what we do....and live how we tell you to live.
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This is a fun story, but a false representation of my position. Which given your into is sort of ironic.
 
Hawk in SEC Country said:
The interesting part of your comment is this....... Mass shootings account for less than 1% of all gun crimes in this country, but they are the most dramatic, and get the most attention. Meanwhile, the gang violence and suicides...which accounts for the majority of gun crimes in the US.....goes undiscussed, and unchecked, and no one EVER even approaches possible solutions to those much larger problems.

I understand completely, that the reason that mass shootings get the most coverage is because it usually comes as a surprise, and they take direct aim at innocent and unsuspecting people. But we need to engage in an honest discussion about gun violence as a whole, and attack every problem, and not just focus on the smallest part of the problem just because it evokes the most emotion.

If we want to be serious about Guns in this country........these are the issues that need to be addressed first and foremost.

1. Curbing the illegal possession of guns(will never be a zero sum game, but measures need to be figured out and put in place)
2. Inner city gun violence solutions(where the majority of gun violence happens
3. Mental Health issues and how to properly screen for them constitutionally
4. Leaving law abiding gun owners alone. They are not the problem.
5. Doing our best to closing people slipping thru the cracks in our background checks(not a big problem, but it does happen...and also will never be a zero sum game)



And no........Torg.......people practicing their inalienable right is not a "win" for the NRA. It's a win for us all.
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53 people shot in Chicago this past weekend. Chicago has the strictest gun control laws in the Country. Still waiting on Obama to express his outrage. Oh wait, that wouldn't fit his political narrative.

Chicago's gun related crimes are up 20% over last year. On pace to have close to 3000 people shot this year. that's what you would expect from a portion of society that has been told that the sanctity of life really isn't important.
 
73chief said:
53 people shot in Chicago this past weekend. Chicago has the strictest gun control laws in the Country. Still waiting on Obama to express his outrage. Oh wait, that wouldn't fit his political narrative.

Chicago's gun related crimes are up 20% over last year. On pace to have close to 3000 people shot this year. that's what you would expect from a portion of society that has been told that the sanctity of life really isn't important.
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I took the following from a reddit comment from a article a week or so ago, you might find it interesting or not:

Incredible amounts of misinformation in this thread, so I'll summarize a few of the most important corrections here. I would think that whether you are pro-gun or anti-gun, you'd at least be pro-truth, so let's not downvote for ideology here.

1) Chicago (and Cook County) is ~~several orders of magnitude~~ much, much larger than most American cities, which skews the numbers. On a per capita basis, Chicago doesn't even crack the top 30 for murder rates in the US. If Chicago had the violent crime rate of Atlanta (1433 per 100,000) there likely would have been almost TWICE as many shootings this past weekend as there were. Chicago's violent crime rate, for the record, is around 884/100,000. As long as you're not living in Englewood or Austin and you're not in a gang (~80% of gun violence in the city is gang-related), you're in a very safe American city. The violent crime rate in Chicago has been on a general downward trend for the past 3 and a half decades.

2) Guns are NOT illegal in Chicago, they're just onerous to purchase. Several stores and restaurants in Chicago will post policies regarding whether people are allowed to bring guns into the establishment, actually! Which in any of the other big three US cities (LA, NYC) would seem like the wild west. [Edit to add: There are also few if any penalties for being caught with a gun that isn't yours. If Chicago had strong laws against possessing a gun that isn't registered to you - and enforced those laws - we'd actually be seeing real gun control in Chicago that doesn't hurt law-abiding gun owners]

3) As /r/xeroshogun points out, Chicago is in a unique situation because the CITY has strict gun control laws, but 15 minutes outside the city in any direction is another story entirely. Indiana and Wisconsin both make it very easy to get guns, and Illinois isn't exactly cracking down on guns either. [1500 guns used in crimes in Chicago from 2009-2013 were traced to a single gun store located about 15 minutes outside of the city](http://abc7chicago.com/news/protest...alers-at-chucks-gun-shop-in-riverdale/770226/).

4) By comparison to Chicago, New York City has EXTREMELY onerous gun laws, but unlike Chicago those gun laws are also matched by similarly strict (though not as strict as the city) laws in the rest of the state, and in bordering states New Jersey and Connecticut. Perhaps not coincidentally, New York City has one of the lowest per capita violent crime rates of any major city in the United States, so much so that several precincts have ~0 gun-related violent crimes to report in any given recent year. By NYC standards, Chicago's gun laws practically look like "move here, get a free gun!"

5) Moreover, ATF stats seem to indicate that it is not city laws that curb gun access, but [federal laws and tracking](http://m.phys.org/news/2015-09-criminals-guns-social.html).

6) Finally, people keep saying straw purchases are illegal. That's right! But they're also *really easy*. Living in Chicago, it's very easy to find someone who's legally able to purchase on your behalf. Living in NYC, it's much, much harder. Don't just look at how illegal something is, but how difficult it is to do that illegal thing. In Cook County, the situation is "illegal but easy" when it comes to guns - again, because of the laws of the surrounding counties.

7) And as /u/letsgohawks points out, "once you get your Illinois FOID card, guns are easy to get. You don't even have to leave Cook county. And since they're not actually registered to you, strawman purchases are almost impossible to stop." So I don't know where people get the idea that getting guns in Chicago is a hard thing to do.

Edit: formatting

Edit: "Several orders of magnitude" means something different than I thought it meant. Phrase corrected, thank you /u/shaleena

Edit: Added #6 and #7

Final Edit: Scroll down and you will see so much thinly-veiled racism it's incredible. What's even more incredible is that someone can say something like "I'll be the one courageous enough to say it: everywhere the black people hold the majority is violent and uncivilized" and have positive karma. These Chicago crime articles are dog whistles for racists, and the one phrase all racists have in common is "how is it racist to say ________?"
 
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Could that happen? Could we make owning a gun socially unacceptable, but still legal?
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I like your idea but think you are barking up the wrong tree.

How about if we make suicide socially acceptable and killing a bunch of people socially unacceptable.

It seems to me that the social misfits who participate in these mass killings are seeking attention. If they go out and commit suicide they get no attention. If they murder a bunch of people then commit suicide they get lots of attention.

Instead of using social shame over the citizens owning 300 million guns wouldn't it make much more sense to address and shame the much smaller pool of losers doing the killing?

My thoughts would be that whenever a person does kill themself they get their 15 minutes of fame in the media BUT if they kill others they get zero publicity about it.

IMO going after the guns will do little. There were plenty of guns just as capable as what is on the market today back 15, 25, 30 years ago but there were very few mass shootings. It's not the guns causing the mass killings...they are just a tool which can get replaced by something else.
 
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