Good Article re Trump Supporters vs PC culture

[gohawks50]

So first you don’t understand when political correctness goes overboard. Now you don’t understand the kind of divisive identity politics that Matt is discussing.

Are you sure this entire topic isn’t over your head? These aren’t hard concepts to grasp.

Maybe these topics are an invented problem by those who see these tendances in themselves.

 

[timinatoria]

Maybe these topics are an invented problem by those who see these tendances in themselves.

Maybe, but probably not.

 

[LBoogie28]

Perfect summation of what the author is saying. And everything one of you does this, you cannot see it for what it is, which makes it funny.

...after that thug was killed the left believed it was a situation of "hands up, don't shoot".

I don't deal in ABSOLUTES like you do.

ORLY?

 

[Mattski]

After a second reading, I think you are saying women voting for women simple because they are the same gender, black people voting for blacks because they are the same race, etc.

If that were true all white women would have voted for Hillary. All white men would have voted for Donald Trump. Gay people would only vote for LBGTQ candidates. Etc.

That's not true. I am a white woman who will not be voting for Kim Reynolds for governor of Iowa because of her policies toward education as well as other issues. I voted for Barack Obama because of his policies not his race. I did vote for Hillary who is also a white woman, but it was not because of her gender or race it was because her policy ideas were more in line with mine. Who do you know who votes for someone simply because that person is of the same race, gender, sexual identity, etc?

Nope, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is its obvious politicians and partisans have used these hot button identity issues to divide and motivate their respective bases when in reality the scope of the "problems" in these things is far smaller than they're made out to be. Naive types on both sides get sucked into this bc it's so emotionally charged.

 

[gohawks50]

Nope, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is its obvious politicians and partisans have used these hot button identity issues to divide and motivate their respective bases when in reality the scope of the "problems" in these things is far smaller than they're made out to be. Naive types on both sides get sucked into this bc it's so emotionally charged.

Okay I agree they are hot button issues that politicians exploit and I agree both sides get sucked into them because they are emotionally charged. I don't agree that all of these issues have a smaller scope than they are made out to be.

 

[Mattski]

Okay I agree they are hot button issues that politicians exploit and I agree both sides get sucked into them because they are emotionally charged. I don't agree that all of these issues have a smaller scope than they are made out to be.

Maybe some of them but politicians using these issues against the "other side" meaning not his/her opponent's stance on an issue but his/her opponent's supporters and how that makes them all bigots, racists, homophobes etc... has gotten completly out of control.

 

[LBoogie28]

The radical libtard cuck PC femanazi atheists snowflake PC progressive Islamic extremists communists were holding the dick heat to his head.

Across the forehead or in the ear? Trying gauge the seriousness of the matter.

 

[gohawks50]

Maybe some of them but politicians using these issues against the "other side" meaning not his/her opponent's stance on an issue but his/her opponent's supporters and how that makes them all bigots, racists, homophobes etc... has gotten completly out of control.

I agree completely demonizing someone simply because they are conservative or liberal is not healthy for our country. Our politicians as well as citizens need to find middle ground, very few of us are all good or all bad.

 

[Pepperman]

ORLY?

I deal in absolutes.

 

[srams21]

I don't deal in ABSOLUTES like you do.

That's funny because you dealt in absolutes in this very thread ...

Start with the false narratives around events like Ferguson, MO where a complete thug tried to take a police officer's gun and somehow after that thug was killed the left believed it was a situation of "hands up, don't shoot".

The entire left did not believe this, but you chose to make it an absolute (which you said you don't deal in). So, which is it, Pepper?

 

[Pepperman]

I deal in absolutes.

 

[BigDelHawk]

Identity Politics is another one of those naughty phrases according to Republicans. Politics is all about identity. I identify with teachers because I am a retired teacher so I choose to vote for people who support education. I identify as liberal so I choose to vote for candidates that support liberal causes like civil rights and health care for all. I could go on, but you get the point. Republicans and conservatives do the same thing, people vote for others who believe the same things they do. How is that wrong?

You can trivialize the concern that observers of politics have regarding identity politics all you want. The fact of the matter is, the left has championed the causes of subset groups within society to form coalitions along Gender and sexual identity issues, as well as race. It forces to choose a group you want to associate with. When you are a white person and question the agenda of BLM, you are immediately attacked. Anyone black white or otherwise that attacks the LBGT agenda is a Nazi. This kills off the discourse, which is the grease that keeps democracy working. It creates tribalism. It is a cancer on our Republic, and it needs to be stopped. Trump is not the cause, he is a symptom.

 

[srams21]

The fact of the matter is, the left has championed the causes of subset groups within society to form coalitions along Gender and sexual identity issues, as well as race.

So has the right ...

 

[gohawks50]

You can trivialize the concern that observers of politics have regarding identity politics all you want. The fact of the matter is, the left has championed the causes of subset groups within society to form coalitions along Gender and sexual identity issues, as well as race. It forces to choose a group you want to associate with. When you are a white person and question the agenda of BLM, you are immediately attacked. Anyone black white or otherwise that attacks the LBGT agenda is a Nazi. This kills off the discourse, which is the grease that keeps democracy working. It creates tribalism. It is a cancer on our Republic, and it needs to be stopped. Trump is not the cause, he is a symptom.

Then it goes both ways. If you question the NRA you are accused of wanting to take away second amendment rights. If you kneel for the anthem you are disrespecting the military. Trump is the epitome of identity politics he's got names for everyone who disagrees with him. How people can complain about identity politics and support Trump is a mystery to me?

 

[srams21]

Which one is it? Do you deal in absolutes or not?

 

[BigDelHawk]

So has the right ...

Yes they have, but they do not use terms like Bigot, Nazi and so forth to shut down discourse. Democrats do.

 

[gohawks50]

Yes they have, but they do not use terms like Bigot, Nazi and so forth to shut down discourse. Democrats do.

What about crooked, lying, fake, biggest threat to the nation, unpatriotic, unamerican, etc? Do those count?

 

[BigDelHawk]

What about crooked, lying, fake, biggest threat to the nation, unpatriotic, unamerican, etc? Do those count?

Yeah, no, both sides utilize those, and they do not carry near the social stigma. Nice try though.

 

[Pepperman]

Which one is it? Do you deal in absolutes or not?

Ok, I get it, you want a serious answer. I clearly do deal in absolutes at times. Never should have said I didn't.

(hangs head in shame)

 

[gohawks50]

Yeah, no, both sides utilize those, and they do not carry near the social stigma. Nice try though.

I think they are pretty bad, but I guess not according to your standards. We'll agree to disagree.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

You can trivialize the concern that observers of politics have regarding identity politics all you want. The fact of the matter is, the left has championed the causes of subset groups within society to form coalitions along Gender and sexual identity issues, as well as race. It forces to choose a group you want to associate with. When you are a white person and question the agenda of BLM, you are immediately attacked. Anyone black white or otherwise that attacks the LBGT agenda is a Nazi. This kills off the discourse, which is the grease that keeps democracy working. It creates tribalism. It is a cancer on our Republic, and it needs to be stopped. Trump is not the cause, he is a symptom.

The irony dripping from this post is thick. Do you think "championing the causes of a subset" is on a different level than attacking "the causes of a subset"?

Encouraging discourse much? How about when you label "the left"?