Love it. Trump says he's going to screw you. And you still defend him.
Good luck Red States, FEMA may be going away as well
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No it won’t. Read the EO before passing judgment.
I answered your question. I don’t have any comments on the rest of your editorial.
I hereby order a freeze on the hiring of Federal civilian employees, to be applied throughout the executive branch. As part of this freeze, no Federal civilian position that is vacant at noon on January 20, 2025, may be filled, and no new position may be created except as otherwise provided for in this memorandum or other applicable law.
Within 90 days of the date of this memorandum . . . shall submit a plan to reduce the size of the Federal Government’s workforce.
Hiring Freeze – The White House
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby order a freeze on the hiring of
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That is your executive order dipshit. I thought you were just a dunce earlier. Clearly much more than that.
“shall not adversely impact Veterans’ benefits and does not apply to positions related to public safety“I hereby order a freeze on the hiring of Federal civilian employees, to be applied throughout the executive branch. As part of this freeze, no Federal civilian position that is vacant at noon on January 20, 2025, may be filled, and no new position may be created except as otherwise provided for in this memorandum or other applicable law.
Within 90 days of the date of this memorandum . . . shall submit a plan to reduce the size of the Federal Government’s workforce.
Hiring Freeze – The White House
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby order a freeze on the hiring ofwww.whitehouse.gov
That is your executive order dipshit. I thought you were just a dunce earlier. Clearly much more than that.
Again, there isn’t anywhere near enough sample size for anyone to make any conclusions, so being reasonable I base my statements on things that have the effect of law, and IG reports that point out the inaccuracies in surveys.
I’m not sure what you base future predictions on, and I’m not sure why when you can’t make a logical argument you resort to insults.
I retort to insults when its clear you don't want to give in and acknowledge simple facts. You can say inaccuracies of surveys, but lets be real, the surveys have improved over 8 years, you just don't want to admit it. IG reports are just that, reports of a surveyor over care. It tends to be 1 sided.
As to acknowledging that less funding for staffing will cause worse care, it is not rocket science. Do you really believe DOGE is going to cut employees, and costs, and improve care? That is pie in the sky.
Know whats funny, VA is reversing course of opening job openings back up after severe backlash. Obviously they were under the impression they were on a hiring freeze of virtually all positions. Even still 1/3 of their positions are still on a hiring freeze.
More than 300k VA health jobs exempted from White House hiring freeze
About two-thirds of Veterans Affairs jobs will be excluded from a White House order blocking new hiring.
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Your post speaks loudly. They were under the impression. Their impression wasn’t reality. Eerily similiar to your “impressions”I retort to insults when its clear you don't want to give in and acknowledge simple facts. You can say inaccuracies of surveys, but lets be real, the surveys have improved over 8 years, you just don't want to admit it. IG reports are just that, reports of a surveyor over care. It tends to be 1 sided.
As to acknowledging that less funding for staffing will cause worse care is not rocket science.
Know whats funny, VA is reversing course of opening job openings back up after severe backlash. Obviously they were under the impression they were on a hiring freeze of virtually all positions. Even still 1/3 of their positions are still on a hiring freeze.
More than 300k VA health jobs exempted from White House hiring freeze
About two-thirds of Veterans Affairs jobs will be excluded from a White House order blocking new hiring.
I told you I live in a fact based world, not one of impression and predictions. Like surveys that were skewed and discredited after being investigated. You keep asking me to base my conclusions on faulty data.
You should pick another issue to argue about if argument for arguments sake is your goal.
I’ve already drawn my own conclusions on why you resort to insults. The person who released the statement from VA, the one that clarified what you call their impression, is not a Trump appointee.
Or GolfHacker, they had to wait for the Whitehouse to update 3 days later to tell them on which positions were exempted. When you make an executive order you better be clear. Even still 1/3 of the positions are not exempted. Also, future cuts are still on the table.
Im still waiting for you to show me how you expect the VA to get better with less staff, and less budget. Really looking forward to this insightful dialogue. You claim the surveys are not accurate, meaning crappy care because you don't want to believe the surveys, but that the care will get better in this environment? You know how silly you look right?
Also since you don't agree with my survey, post 1 survey of veterans showing declining view on the services provided from 2020 to 2024. Should be easy enough for you to find since you say the survey I am relying on is faulty. You must be able to find several other studies to support your case.
You don’t read well and/or understand.
The EO doesn’t cut critical care. It never did. That’s stipulated by the VA in your own post. Probably unintentionally on your part. Full stop.
I never said healthcare would get better. I said it won’t get worse. It’s already bad and wait times have increased, not decreased. Full stop.
There is not less of budget. The FY is an increase. Full stop.
Look at what the IG said about your survey. Full stop.
Are you done yet?
As of now that survey is the best facts we have. Until you find another survey it stands. Full stop.
A hiring freeze will reduce staffing. Full stop
The non critical positions help the critical positions do their job. Full stop.
If you think it bad care now, it will only get worse. Full stop.
We’ll see I guess. As it stands you made a bunch of statements, largely inaccurate, and posted your projection of what might or might not happen as fact.
It’s an interesting way to argue if one has the patience and tolerance to attempt to follow your rather disjointed style. You jump around a lot. Change the subject. Misstate my positions. Unintentionally post links that disprove your previous statements, etc., ad nauseam… Again, interesting to try to figure out exactly what’s has you so upset and agitated.
The difference is I admit when new facts are presented. See there is the difference.
I was the one that found the update memo from the White House. New information, new facts. See I can admit that. You know what it still does, puts a hiring freeze on 1/3 of the positions. You do realize in any organization all positions are there to make it function properly, so if up to 1/3 are not filled, the service and care goes down. If you think that is jumping around or a difficult concept to understand, I don’t know how to dumb it down for you anymore. The care will decline, and surveys will get worse.
You still are trashing a survey that other than an IG report, you have nothing to disprove. So you can just say whatever you want and expect me to just back down when you have zero, let me repeat that, a big fat ZERO surveys to support your position.
So on a debate forum- ultimately when facts determine the outcome - my arguments are much stronger than yours.
Edit: Unlike you I have actually managed a healthcare entity, and I know the effects caused by a hiring freeze, even if it’s non critical staff.
If you want to believe in unicorns, that services will remain the same, be my guest and believe in unicorns.
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Surveys to support my position? Are you serious? Don’t answer that.
Also, I posted the pertinent language of the EO prior to your “discovery”
I wish you all the best. I sincerely mean that. But I’m not going to engage circular logic any further. The evidence is posted and easily verified. Your speculations? Not so much.
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Not so much. Again you can’t find a simple piece of evidence to support your position. The EO language was there, but there was no specific guidance on what positions were exempt. That is necessary information. Moving an argument from point A to point B is not circular logic. Removing staff and believing care will remain the same is the same as believing in unicorns. Neither will occur. But for someone who thinks Trump is liberal we will never see eye to eye will we. Enjoy some vodka tonight comrade.
