You guessed correctly that the additional rep seats are going to Idaho, while other states getting more seats are Texas and Florida.
Good News for Southern Red States: Looks like there isn't a California "exodus" after all...
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I never said I only want white people to immigrate. Not sure where you got that from.
My statement was, more immigrants coming in and white people leaving. Immigrants have helped increase the population in CA. You are the one who read into my statement.
US Census Bureau data linked in the article referenced by the tweet shows net domestic migration is negative.
Do you understand what that means?
No they aren’t. I’m baffled people believe this shit in this day and age.
I have it on good authority that those that were making fun of him were also aware of the fact that 1k isn't a realistic salary.
The jokes don't really work from any other angle.
And az, according to the piece I saw. Of course can’t really predict redistricting, but 3 of those four are probably relatively safe r as far as presidential electors go. Bigger hill to climb.
I’m baffled that some people don’t want to believe facts from a very reputable source if it doesn’t align with their politics.
If there are persons who are eligible for Medicaid who happen to live in a certain place then why is it “s..t” to say this is how much it costs?
Cali folks certainly do pay for it, right?
I’ll yield to your experience as to all things masturbatory.
I wasn't inferring that it was (I didn't read over the thread so perhaps others were insinuating that it was due to immigrants).
There's just too many people in SoCal. I can't say toooo much since I'm one of those that moved over.
I totally understand what that means. I worked for the census from 2018-2020, when Trump shut it down. We weren’t finished.
You wouldn’t like to know the reality of how fake it was.
Didn’t it get shut down over counting illegals in the census for the purpose of allocating Congressional seats and determining eligibility for Federal monies?
That would have been kinda fake too. States who pulled illegals in so they could keep Seats and get extra dollars…mostly blue states IIRC.
Supreme Court Punts Census Case, Giving Trump An Iffy Chance To Alter Numbers
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Protesters carrying signs about the census gather outside the U.S. Supreme Court in 2019. Immigrant rights advocates have vowed to continue fighting President Trump's proposal.
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The U.S. Supreme Court ducked a direct ruling Friday on whether President Trump can exclude undocumented immigrants from a key census count.
At issue in the case was Trump's July memorandum ordering the U.S. Census Bureau for the first time to exclude undocumented immigrants from the decennial census for purposes of reapportionment. The count is used to determine how many seats each state gets in the House of Representatives and the Electoral College.
In an unsigned opinion, the court said it would be "premature" to rule on the case right now because it is "riddled with contingencies and speculation" and even the Trump administration doesn't know how many undocumented immigrants there are or where they live.
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In fact, at oral arguments just 18 days ago, acting Solicitor General Jeffrey Wall, representing the Trump administration, told the justices that "career officials at the Census Bureau still don't know even roughly how many illegal aliens it'll be able to identify, let alone how their number and geographic concentration might affect apportionment."
At the end of the day, the court's six-justice conservative majority said, the case was not yet ripe for resolution because none of the 23 states or immigrant groups that brought it had yet been injured.
Though the court's opinion was unsigned, Chief Justice John Roberts almost certainly was the author. He signaled the outcome at the oral arguments, observing, "Right now ... we don't know what the president is going to do. We don't know how many aliens will be excluded. We don't know what the effect will be on apportionment," so why, he asked, aren't we "better advised" to wait until we have that information.
And wait is what the conservative court majority decided to do.
In their dissent, the court's three liberal justices — Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan — disagreed.
Writing for the three, Breyer noted that Trump's July memorandum explicitly stated his purpose, namely to take away congressional seats from mainly Democratic states that are now home to many unauthorized immigrants.
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"The harm is clear on the face of the policy," Breyer said.
The "costs" of Trumps census order, he said, are more than "a departure from settled law."
"The modern census emerged from periods of intense political conflict, whereby politicians sought to exploit census procedures to their advantage," he wrote. "In enacting the 1929 [Permanent Apportionment] Act, Congress sought to address that problem by using clear and broad language that would ... remove opportunities for political gamesmanship."
Departing from the text of that law, he said, "is an open invitation" to allow a return to that kind of gamesmanship.
While Friday's decision does leave open the possibility for Trump to try to remove some undocumented immigrants from the census count for apportionment purposes, the decision was at best an interim and uncertain victory for the president.
But Justice Department spokesperson Mollie Timmons said, "We are pleased that today's ruling clears the way for the Commerce Department to continue its work on the census and send its full tabulation to the President."
Immigrant rights advocates warned immediately they would sue again if the administration seeks to implement the policy.
"We'll sue ... and we'll win," said Dale Ho, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Voting Rights Project.
New York State Attorney General Letitia James, whose office led most of the state governments that sued the Trump administration, added: "We will continue to do whatever is necessary to stop the president from putting politics above the law."
While Friday's decision took no position on the merits of the case, at the oral arguments a majority of the justices indicated a hostility to the Trump administration's position. Trump's newest appointee, Amy Coney Barrett, noted that reapportionment has never excluded residents of a state because of their immigration status, and she pointedly told the acting solicitor general that "a lot of historical evidence and longstanding practice cuts against your position."
Tell us you know shit about the census without telling us you know shit about the census.
I work in government, I can appreciate the accuracy of ‘provisional’ data.
But there is a multi-decade trend of annual, net negative domestic migration from CA which, despite the misleading tweet headline, hasn’t changed.
The years in question are also post-Trump, so you’re trying to attribute to Trump the measurement of domestic migration (moving from one state to another) while Biden was president.
She doesn’t need facts. Just feelings and Facebook ramblings someone shared with her.
So how am I supposed to link my experience, also what our boss told us to do and not do?
That was an absurd request and you know it.
I lived it. I covered the Panhandle. I can tell you how and when we were shut down.
Good grief. I would expect more from you.
Why would you expect more from her? Have you ever read her posts here? She's a full blown cult member.
How does that have anything to do with the US Census measures of domestic migration over the last three years?
The article headline is "California defies exodus narrative again, new data shows"
But when you look at the actual US Census data linked in the article, it shows the same year after year (after year) domestic migration out of CA.
The 'exodus' hasn't stopped. The article is disinformation, but no one who wants to believe the narrative in the headlines bothers to look at the data.
Bidenomics inflation. This is your brain on faux news.
Hey I can’t freaking wait for my Trump discounts by the way. Let’s goooo!!!!
Lol
Trickle down from hoity toity billionaires should totally help the lower and middle class while convincing them that the "elites" are all on the left.
Lowering grocery prices is clearly a high priority for Elon and Trump. lol
So if you’re “expecting more from me” then I really do have the right to ask that you expand on your statement about how fake the census is. Share your experience to the extent you’re comfortable with.
I don’t see it as absurd in the least. If I caused you to feel defensive surely that was never my intent.
In fact I am now interested in how it actually works as opposed to how we taxpayers are told it works.
It’s obvious that no matter what I say, people will demand proof, and not believe anything because it goes against their desire to believe the contrary.
I was a supervisor and had 15 people under me. Do I need to provide pay stubs for you?
When you work for the government, you take an oath. You also sign NDA.
Everyone gets trained. The general rule of the Government is to enumerate everyone, no matter what, no matter where they live.
The documents are translated into multiple languages, including Farsi and Arabic, etc.
we started verifying addresses in 2018. That’s the early part of the census. The next part is to document transients which involves trailer parks, campgrounds, hotels, and finally the shelters and the homeless.
My boss was fired when we started getting close to the transients. The new boss that was sent down to Pensacola changed the instructions.
On a personal phone call with me, the new boss flat out said that 1) There could not be 400 homeless in Tallahassee, it was only 40.
2) No need to find them and their hangouts, just do a drive by. If you saw some on the corner, just write if the were male or female.
Once the numbers started coming in, we were abruptly told to collect all the iPads and phones from the workers. The work was over.
I called the former boss, and asked. She said it was unusual, but they wanted certain numbers and they were determined to get them.
I spoke with two other supervisors who had been working for the census for years. Both stated this was highly irregular. One, a Vet, quit because he said what we were doing was against the Constitution and the intent of the census. The other said, “we do what we’re told”.
Is that enough for you naysayers? Or are you going to try and get me to divulge information that I pledged to protect? That is not going to happen.
I was a supervisor and had 15 people under me. Do I need to provide pay stubs for you?
When you work for the government, you take an oath. You also sign NDA.
Everyone gets trained. The general rule of the Government is to enumerate everyone, no matter what, no matter where they live.
The documents are translated into multiple languages, including Farsi and Arabic, etc.
we started verifying addresses in 2018. That’s the early part of the census. The next part is to document transients which involves trailer parks, campgrounds, hotels, and finally the shelters and the homeless.
My boss was fired when we started getting close to the transients. The new boss that was sent down to Pensacola changed the instructions.
On a personal phone call with me, the new boss flat out said that 1) There could not be 400 homeless in Tallahassee, it was only 40.
2) No need to find them and their hangouts, just do a drive by. If you saw some on the corner, just write if the were male or female.
Once the numbers started coming in, we were abruptly told to collect all the iPads and phones from the workers. The work was over.
I called the former boss, and asked. She said it was unusual, but they wanted certain numbers and they were determined to get them.
I spoke with two other supervisors who had been working for the census for years. Both stated this was highly irregular. One, a Vet, quit because he said what we were doing was against the Constitution and the intent of the census. The other said, “we do what we’re told”.
Is that enough for you naysayers? Or are you going to try and get me to divulge information that I pledged to protect? That is not going to happen.
I’m just trying to understand how that would affect the US Census estimates on domestic migration over the last three years.
The numbers reflect the continuation of a multi-decade trend with respect to CA, and the opposite of the headline.
PS. I don’t give a flying ****. I know what my experience was, including the corruption that was going on in Gainesville with that office.
That was a thing that I contacted my representative and our two senators about. It involved changing the routing numbers of bank accounts and some of us were not getting paid.
It ended up in the regional office, Atlanta, and the Gainesville office was sanctioned.
That was a thing that I contacted my representative and our two senators about. It involved changing the routing numbers of bank accounts and some of us were not getting paid.
It ended up in the regional office, Atlanta, and the Gainesville office was sanctioned.
The migration data doesn’t come from the census. It doesn’t ask a person where the used to live, nor the date that they migrated.
The census is only concerned with who is where on a specific date. Since the census is done every ten years, there is no way for anyone to determine migratory patterns. It can go from where people were in 2010, but it can’t determine where they were in 2014, 2015, 2016, etc.
It also doesn’t track individuals. In other words, it’s not going to look at where I lived in the last 40 years.
I think it’s adequate and interesting. Thank you.
Curiosity satisfied. I don’t quite understand why they required such secrecy but it’s not terribly surprising.
As to homeless counting - many of these folks live a transient existence so that accuracy on a particular day might be inaccurate just days later.
Actually, there’s quite the homeless sector in Tallahassee. And, some of us personally know a number of them. Some are artists and musicians, some just like living outside.
Some are “rainbow “.
But, as I stated, there’s definitely more than 40. Heck, you can find 100 easily out Pensacola by the train yards.
Census Bureau does collect the info, they don’t just to the decadal census.
The U.S. Census Bureau estimates annual domestic migration primarily through the American Community Survey (ACS) and the Current Population Survey (CPS) Annual Social and Economic Supplement (ASEC). These surveys ask individuals about their residence one year prior, allowing the Census Bureau to track the movement of people within the United States
You’re mistaken, they conduct more frequent (monthly) surveys and produce estimates, which are different from the decadal headcount.
