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Gotta feel bad for Iowa State today & for their future

isu fans love their selective time frame arguments. No isu fan will admit when Iowa is better they simply state scoreboard.

I find it hypocritical to find how unacceptable this is now that the shoe is on the other foot.

When ISU beats Iowa in football and Iowa goes on to have a better season, the season is all that matters. When Iowa beats ISU in hoops (rare) and ISU goes on to have a better season, that one game is all that matters. We get it. Whatever fits your narrative, JWR.

Good luck in the CBI, Jeff.
 
When ISU beats Iowa in football and Iowa goes on to have a better season, the season is all that matters. When Iowa beats ISU in hoops (rare) and ISU goes on to have a better season, that one game is all that matters. We get it. Whatever fits your narrative, JWR.

Good luck in the CBI, Jeff.

Because clown fan says so.

78-64 because your seniors simply aren't good enough to beat our freshmen.
 
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isu fans love their selective time frame arguments. No isu fan will admit when Iowa is better they simply state scoreboard.

I find it hypocritical to find how unacceptable this is now that the shoe is on the other foot.

When ISU beats Iowa in football and Iowa goes on to have a better season, the season is all that matters. When Iowa beats ISU in hoops (rare) and ISU goes on to have a better season, that one game is all that matters. We get it. Whatever fits your narrative, JWR.

Good luck in the CBI, Jeff.
Iowa pasted isu without cook. You should go talk smack on the Oklahoma forum. Isu's season isn't going that much better than Iowas.
 
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Nope that doesn't count just ask clown fans they aren't shy.

I saw there were no Big 10 teams included in the committee's top 16 teams yesterday. Has there ever been less respect for a conference than that? They said Wisconsin had no good wins. That's a hell of a conference you got there. And with Wisconsin losing to NW today, there may not be a top 20 team out of 14 teams? Now that's a joke.

Have fun in the CBI Jeff!
 
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I saw there were no Big 10 teams included in the committee's top 16 teams yesterday. Has there ever been less respect for a conference than that? They said Wisconsin had no good wins. That's a hell of a conference you got there. And with Wisconsin losing to NW today, there may not be a top 20 team out of 14 teams? Now that's a joke.

Have fun in the CBI Jeff!

There are many BigTen teams the clowns want nothing to do with other than big bro Iowa.

Better hope you draw UAB again.
 
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Penn State played in the CBI in 2014 and then in 2015 3-4 Big Ten teams turned down an invite to the tourney, but nothing that was mandated by the league as far as I know.

I think the Big Ten will not televise the games. I think that is what I remember them saying. I think the schools have to go out on their own for that tournament. Also I know Iowa has stated they will play in the NIT or NCAA and that's it. They will not play in the lower tier tournaments.
 
I saw there were no Big 10 teams included in the committee's top 16 teams yesterday. Has there ever been less respect for a conference than that? They said Wisconsin had no good wins. That's a hell of a conference you got there. And with Wisconsin losing to NW today, there may not be a top 20 team out of 14 teams? Now that's a joke.

Have fun in the CBI Jeff!
Why do conferences matter when Iowa beat the sh** out of ISU head to head?
 
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Why do conferences matter when Iowa beat the sh** out of ISU head to head?

Because SOS is all that has ever mattered to clown fans. It is how they sleep better at night. If they lose it is either because the Refs beat them or their inflated view of SOS.

It really doesn't matter what sport the cryclown fans whine regardless.
 
Let me clarify - is UNO better than Iowa?
Is Texas better than ISU? Let's use our heads here.
Since our game, Iowa has gone 9-7 with 4 top 100 wins, and no bad losses.
ISU has gone 9-6 with 4 top 100 wins, and one bad loss.
What makes you feel ISU's season has gone any better since our win?

Since our game with UNO, we have gone 10-6 with 5 top 100 wins.
UNO has gone 9-9 with no top 100 wins, and 5 bad losses.
Seems like there is a clear difference here in which team has done better. Then again, seems pretty clear Iowa kicked ISU's ass without Tyler Cook too.
 
Quit the thread, history tells us very plainly that both ISU and Iowa are not very far from getting humbled when we start bumping our chest toward the other. Just keep in mind the OP was trying to stir crap and succeeded but also that every arrogant word used in this argument you'll be forced to eat at some point. That's all.
 
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Quit the thread, history tells us very plainly that both ISU and Iowa are not very far from getting humbled when we start bumping our chest toward the other. Just keep in mind the OP was trying to stir crap and succeeded but also that every arrogant word used in this argument you'll be forced to eat at some point. That's all.

Yep just ask Monte Morris.
 
Is Texas better than ISU? Let's use our heads here.
Since our game, Iowa has gone 9-7 with 4 top 100 wins, and no bad losses.
ISU has gone 9-6 with 4 top 100 wins, and one bad loss.
What makes you feel ISU's season has gone any better since our win?

Since our game with UNO, we have gone 10-6 with 5 top 100 wins.
UNO has gone 9-9 with no top 100 wins, and 5 bad losses.
Seems like there is a clear difference here in which team has done better. Then again, seems pretty clear Iowa kicked ISU's ass without Tyler Cook too.

Of course none of this counts. isu fans are masters of moving the goalposts when it no longer fits their argument.
 
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Because SOS is all that has ever mattered to clown fans. It is how they sleep better at night. If they lose it is either because the Refs beat them or their inflated view of SOS.

It really doesn't matter what sport the cryclown fans whine regardless.

Then why does the rest of the season matter when ISU beat Iowa in 2002? So according to you, the team that wins head to head is the better team, and SOS doesn't matter. Glad we cleared it up that ISU was better than Iowa in 2002.

Love it when you try to have things both ways, and you aren't smart enough to realize you can't Jeff.
 
Then why does the rest of the season matter when ISU beat Iowa in 2002? So according to you, the team that wins head to head is the better team, and SOS doesn't matter. Glad we cleared it up that ISU was better than Iowa in 2002.

Love it when you try to have things both ways, and you aren't smart enough to realize you can't Jeff.

Fact right now isu has 15 wins and Iowa has 14.

Fact: in 2002 Iowa football won 11 games out of 13 or at a clip of around 85%. Iowa also ended up ranked in the top 10 and played in a BCS game. The lowly clowns on the other hand won 7 out of 13 games or a clip of 54% and lost the Boise Bowl. 30% more wins and a top ten finish says Iowa was better than the clowns.

If isu has a 30 point difference in winning % over Iowa in MBB at the end of the year I will gladly admit isu had a better team.

I am willing to put $10,000 that won't happen. I am willing to bet an equal amount that clown fans will promptly bring up SOS as their next lame a$$ excuse for why they can't out perform big bro.

So are you in Kinky or is it time to run away and hide like a little girl? Tell us how it really is Kink, we won't laugh, honest.
 
Is Texas better than ISU? Let's use our heads here.
Since our game, Iowa has gone 9-7 with 4 top 100 wins, and no bad losses.
ISU has gone 9-6 with 4 top 100 wins, and one bad loss.
What makes you feel ISU's season has gone any better since our win?

Since our game with UNO, we have gone 10-6 with 5 top 100 wins.
UNO has gone 9-9 with no top 100 wins, and 5 bad losses.
Seems like there is a clear difference here in which team has done better. Then again, seems pretty clear Iowa kicked ISU's ass without Tyler Cook too.

Iowa State has gotten 4 top 50 wins, including 2 on the road.

Iowa has one top 50 win, at home.

Seems like there is a clear difference as to the performance of the two teams.
 
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Let's be honest, my Clown friends......At 15-9 and 7-5, your senior laden team is a disappointment. None of you projected this or are satisfied with it. Ninety percent of the posters on CyFan are pining away for Fred and Niang and/or wishing your AD could get a do over on your coach selection. Yes, you beat us three times in a row (you'd like to write this year's double digit loss as an aberration), but only the debacle in Carver two years ago wasn't a hand wrapped gift. None of your underclassmen are really setting the world on fire, and you've resorted to the "Wait until so and so gets here" attitude, just like Illini fans. Yes, you will most likely make the NCAA's again, and we won't, but unless your overrated seniors step up and get a helluva more consistent, it will be a brief, bittersweet stay.

So dream on and keep pretending that you are one of the elites in college basketball, but we would all appreciate it if you would refrain from posting your delusions on our board.
 
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Iowa State has gotten 4 top 50 wins, including 2 on the road.

Iowa has one top 50 win, at home.

Seems like there is a clear difference as to the performance of the two teams.

So isu isn't top 50? If they are then Iowa has 2. The fact remains isu has 15 wins and Iowa has 14.

Time for the SOS argument? Sure it is wait for it, wait for it........go
 
Iowa State has gotten 4 top 50 wins, including 2 on the road.

Iowa has one top 50 win, at home.

Seems like there is a clear difference as to the performance of the two teams.
Let's be honest, the only clear difference between the two teams was the night we played. It wasn't even a close game. Your seniors choked away a season many ISU fans thought would be good. It's comical that Iowa's freshman made your Seniors quit. Kansas choked away that game, that gave you guys all the confidence in the world, only to lose to frickin Texas, days later. Brutal. Your fans are calling for your coaches head, and 6 of your top 8 players are walking out that door in a month. The only thing you can brag about is beating other teams besides us. Not sure why you think this would be an insult. Iowa proved it was better, and unless ISU goes on some magical run, nothing they do this year will make any Iowa fan think otherwise. Keep sticking around if it makes you feel like a winner though.
 
Quit the thread, history tells us very plainly that both ISU and Iowa are not very far from getting humbled when we start bumping our chest toward the other. Just keep in mind the OP was trying to stir crap and succeeded but also that every arrogant word used in this argument you'll be forced to eat at some point. That's all.

This. There are rivalries that have died because the W/L columns were so lopsided, not the case here. In the last 20 years or so it has been pretty darn close to .500 on both the court and field.
 
Fact right now isu has 15 wins and Iowa has 14.

Fact: in 2002 Iowa football won 11 games out of 13 or at a clip of around 85%. Iowa also ended up ranked in the top 10 and played in a BCS game. The lowly clowns on the other hand won 7 out of 13 games or a clip of 54% and lost the Boise Bowl. 30% more wins and a top ten finish says Iowa was better than the clowns.

If isu has a 30 point difference in winning % over Iowa in MBB at the end of the year I will gladly admit isu had a better team.

I am willing to put $10,000 that won't happen. I am willing to bet an equal amount that clown fans will promptly bring up SOS as their next lame a$$ excuse for why they can't out perform big bro.

So are you in Kinky or is it time to run away and hide like a little girl? Tell us how it really is Kink, we won't laugh, honest.

Jeff you are showing your level of intelligence again with these comments. I asked about the 2002 football game because you go back and forth on if the better team is the one who won head to head, or the one who ends up having a better season. Still not sure which since you go back and forth depending if it fits your narrative.

Now you want to bet $10K (like you have that kind of money, that's funny) comparing winning %'s between football and basketball, one which plays 30 games in a season, one which plays 10-12, apples and oranges, schedules are totally different, etc.

Bottom line, ISU is going to the Dance, and Iowa is going nowhere this year. Our seniors have more NCAA wins in 4 years than Iowa has had in total in what, the last 20 years? Was it a horrible upset and loss to Iowa this year? Yes, it was embarrassing, but this stuff happens in rivalries, especially since it was your super bowl.
 
Jeff you are showing your level of intelligence again with these comments. I asked about the 2002 football game because you go back and forth on if the better team is the one who won head to head, or the one who ends up having a better season. Still not sure which since you go back and forth depending if it fits your narrative.

Now you want to bet $10K (like you have that kind of money, that's funny) comparing winning %'s between football and basketball, one which plays 30 games in a season, one which plays 10-12, apples and oranges, schedules are totally different, etc.

Bottom line, ISU is going to the Dance, and Iowa is going nowhere this year. Our seniors have more NCAA wins in 4 years than Iowa has had in total in what, the last 20 years? Was it a horrible upset and loss to Iowa this year? Yes, it was embarrassing, but this stuff happens in rivalries, especially since it was your super bowl.

Hey Einstein the number of games is meaningless when you look at % of wins. That isu degree really is doing wonders for you.

So are you taking the bet or running away to hide as expected?

Oh and Iowa's Super Bowl was the Purdue game so far. According to Monte Iowa is isu's Super Bowl and you still got punked.

Must ignore this article Kinky?

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...s-georges-niang-kiss-randy-peterson/95084710/
 
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Let's be honest, the only clear difference between the two teams was the night we played. It wasn't even a close game. Your seniors choked away a season many ISU fans thought would be good. It's comical that Iowa's freshman made your Seniors quit. Kansas choked away that game, that gave you guys all the confidence in the world, only to lose to frickin Texas, days later. Brutal. Your fans are calling for your coaches head, and 6 of your top 8 players are walking out that door in a month. The only thing you can brag about is beating other teams besides us. Not sure why you think this would be an insult. Iowa proved it was better, and unless ISU goes on some magical run, nothing they do this year will make any Iowa fan think otherwise. Keep sticking around if it makes you feel like a winner though.

I will be the first to admit I have been disappointed this season. However, this year has been good, and depending on what happens in the tournament it could be really good.

I'm happy that you are happy with your team. I didn't think I'd convince you Iowa State is better, merely that your top 100 wins argument is a dumb argument.

As for if Iowa is better, I guess I'll just leave that up to the metrics and NCAA tournament committee to decide since they are the only sources available that are unbiased.
 
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I will be the first to admit I have been disappointed this season. However, this year has been good, and depending on what happens in the tournament it could be really good.

I'm happy that you are happy with your team. I didn't think I'd convince you Iowa State is better, merely that your top 100 wins argument is a dumb argument.

As for if Iowa is better, I guess I'll just leave that up to the metrics and NCAA tournament committee to decide since they are the only sources available that are unbiased.

So must ignore anything that occurs on the court. Got it.
 
I am not disappointed in Iowa State's season so far.

Of their 9 losses, only 3 stand out - at Iowa, at Texas, and at Vandy.

Iowa simply out-played them. Kudos to Iowa. They came to play, ISU did not.

At Texas: got down big early, rallied + had a shot at buzzer.

At Vandy: see Texas

In a 30+ game season, even the best teams have off nights. Its the nature of basketball.

Beyond that:
Lost by 2 to Gonzaga
Lost by 2 in OT to Cincy
Lost by 2 @ Baylor
Lost by 4 at Kansas
Lost at home to West VA
Lost at TCU

Only TCU is not a lock for NCAAs. With the exception of Cincy, any of those teams could win championship.

15-9 is not disappointing for this team. Like most teams, given the matchups and hopefully getting hot at the right time, ISU "could" make a nice NCAA run.....or they could get bounced in 1st round.

I would guess Iowa fans would relish the chance to get bounced in the 1st round.
 
Iowa St will prob end up in the NIT so this argument is pointless. Iowa whipped them & might have a shot to beat them again in a few weeks.
 
ISU,s problem is the 5 spot. Even though Niang was a big loss this year the team is missing McKay under the basket more than anything. The Cyclones do have 5 senior starters but only two of them were starters last year and their bigs foul to much. They certainly miss Nader, too.

You remember Nader the guy who came through with 19 points at Iowa when the Cyclones were without De Jean Jones and the Cyclones won by 15 when Iowa had a more experienced team that year. Nader will be playing in the D League all star game during the all star week end. Believe it or not but he is playing point guard most of the time with 9 assists in one game. He made 6 of 10 three point shots in a recent game and they say he is the second best recruit of the approx. 200 D League players. They Cyclone's are missing the size and brawn of all three of those players.

I never did project what they could do this year. Of course they are experienced and have four excellent players but it takes at least five excellent starters to expect to get far especially. Iowa State's conference schedule is much tougher than is Iowa's any year because you get more of the bottom feeders in your conference. I wonder what Iowa's conference record would be if they had to play three teams that have been in the top 7 in the AP for several weeks, so I don't get pummeled, top 9 this week not only once but twice every year.

Baylor is the only team that ISU lost to twice last season and they they only lost to them by 2 at Baylor this year which was an improvement especially since they have a big bruiser under the basket.
 
I will be the first to admit I have been disappointed this season. However, this year has been good, and depending on what happens in the tournament it could be really good.

I'm happy that you are happy with your team. I didn't think I'd convince you Iowa State is better, merely that your top 100 wins argument is a dumb argument.

As for if Iowa is better, I guess I'll just leave that up to the metrics and NCAA tournament committee to decide since they are the only sources available that are unbiased.
Top 100 wins is a dumb argument? I've never heard that before, most in the top 100 are considered good wins by the committee. Whatever fits your argument though. In this case, top 50 does. You're putting more credit into beating KSU at #50, then Iowa beating #56 ISU and #58 Michigan. When in actuality, they are pretty damn close. ISU has beaten #3, #31, #50, and #85 since our game. Iowa has beaten #19, #58, #63, and #86. Iowa's worse loss is to #86 Nebraska in double OT, while ISU lost to #143 Texas. I'm also going to say this, because I watch a lot of basketball, but the Okie St team ISU played a month ago was nowhere near a top 50 team. They were playing horrible at the time. My only argument, and it stands, is that ISU has not separated itself from Iowa, after our game, to somehow show it's much better than Iowa. That's what you are arguing, and it's wrong. We've won the same amount of games since, and Iowa the same amount of top 100 wins.

The big 12 is getting huge statistical points for some reason and I can't figure it out. Indiana beat Kansas who beat Nebraska. Iowa beat ISU. Maryland beat OSU and KSU. Wisconsin beat Oklahoma. WVU beat Illinois. NW beat Texas. Michigan beat Texas.

The big 10 is 7-2 against the Big 12 this year! 7-2! WVU beating Illinois and Kansas beating Nebraska are your two wins. Yet, here you guys are.

With all that said, I hate the RPI, it's an absolute joke anyone uses it anymore. To base a rating off of who you play, and not how you play makes no sense, and Iowa played the RPI game terribly once again.
 
ISU,s problem is the 5 spot. Even though Niang was a big loss this year the team is missing McKay under the basket more than anything. The Cyclones do have 5 senior starters but only two of them were starters last year and their bigs foul to much. They certainly miss Nader, too.

You remember Nader the guy who came through with 19 points at Iowa when the Cyclones were without De Jean Jones and the Cyclones won by 15 when Iowa had a more experienced team that year. Nader will be playing in the D League all star game during the all star week end. Believe it or not but he is playing point guard most of the time with 9 assists in one game. He made 6 of 10 three point shots in a recent game and they say he is the second best recruit of the approx. 200 D League players. They Cyclone's are missing the size and brawn of all three of those players.

I never did project what they could do this year. Of course they are experienced and have four excellent players but it takes at least five excellent starters to expect to get far especially. Iowa State's conference schedule is much tougher than is Iowa's any year because you get more of the bottom feeders in your conference. I wonder what Iowa's conference record would be if they had to play three teams that have been in the top 7 in the AP for several weeks, so I don't get pummeled, top 9 this week not only once but twice every year.

Baylor is the only team that ISU lost to twice last season and they they only lost to them by 2 at Baylor this year which was an improvement especially since they have a big bruiser under the basket.
Bolded has nothing to do with anything in this argument. But congrats I guess.

As far as playing bottom feeders, Iowa had two games against teams below 100 in conference play, ISU had 4. Perhaps you don't know who you play.
 
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I am not disappointed in Iowa State's season so far.

Of their 9 losses, only 3 stand out - at Iowa, at Texas, and at Vandy.

Iowa simply out-played them. Kudos to Iowa. They came to play, ISU did not.

At Texas: got down big early, rallied + had a shot at buzzer.

At Vandy: see Texas

In a 30+ game season, even the best teams have off nights. Its the nature of basketball.

Beyond that:
Lost by 2 to Gonzaga
Lost by 2 in OT to Cincy
Lost by 2 @ Baylor
Lost by 4 at Kansas
Lost at home to West VA
Lost at TCU

Only TCU is not a lock for NCAAs. With the exception of Cincy, any of those teams could win championship.

15-9 is not disappointing for this team. Like most teams, given the matchups and hopefully getting hot at the right time, ISU "could" make a nice NCAA run.....or they could get bounced in 1st round.

I would guess Iowa fans would relish the chance to get bounced in the 1st round.


Is it football season? That's when I usually seeing clone post talking about close losses aka moral wins. Loss is a loss. To play devils advocate they barely won at home vs Texas Tech, K State, on the road in double OT vs a bad OU team, close one vs Okie St and their best win of the year was in OT at KU. So for all the close losses have had lot of nail biter wins too.
 
Enjoy your 15-9 season Clown fans posting on a Hawkeye rivals site...enjoy your remaining games this season. See you next season in Hilton.
 
Top 100 wins is a dumb argument? I've never heard that before, most in the top 100 are considered good wins by the committee. Whatever fits your argument though. In this case, top 50 does. You're putting more credit into beating KSU at #50, then Iowa beating #56 ISU and #58 Michigan. When in actuality, they are pretty damn close. ISU has beaten #3, #31, #50, and #85 since our game. Iowa has beaten #19, #58, #63, and #86. Iowa's worse loss is to #86 Nebraska in double OT, while ISU lost to #143 Texas. I'm also going to say this, because I watch a lot of basketball, but the Okie St team ISU played a month ago was nowhere near a top 50 team. They were playing horrible at the time. My only argument, and it stands, is that ISU has not separated itself from Iowa, after our game, to somehow show it's much better than Iowa. That's what you are arguing, and it's wrong. We've won the same amount of games since, and Iowa the same amount of top 100 wins.

The big 12 is getting huge statistical points for some reason and I can't figure it out. Indiana beat Kansas who beat Nebraska. Iowa beat ISU. Maryland beat OSU and KSU. Wisconsin beat Oklahoma. WVU beat Illinois. NW beat Texas. Michigan beat Texas.

The big 10 is 7-2 against the Big 12 this year! 7-2! WVU beating Illinois and Kansas beating Nebraska are your two wins. Yet, here you guys are.

With all that said, I hate the RPI, it's an absolute joke anyone uses it anymore. To base a rating off of who you play, and not how you play makes no sense, and Iowa played the RPI game terribly once again.

I don't think any reasonable person thinks that the Big 10 is better than the Big 12. It isn't just RPI either. They are one of the top couple conferences in BPI and Ken Pom as well.
 
I don't think any reasonable person thinks that the Big 10 is better than the Big 12. It isn't just RPI either. They are one of the top couple conferences in BPI and Ken Pom as well.
Nor do I, just pointing out that a conference we question as Iowa fans, went 7-2 against the conference ISU fans want to use as the excuse for not winning more.
 
My only argument, and it stands, is that ISU has not separated itself from Iowa, after our game, to somehow show it's much better than Iowa. That's what you are arguing, and it's wrong. We've won the same amount of games since, and Iowa the same amount of top 100 wins.

You aren't taking the location of said wins into account, which is the exact reason Iowa State is much higher than Iowa in every metric, which is precisely why you are wrong.

I selected top 50 wins, because that is understood standard used in NCAA selection and seeding. The reasons are legion as to why that is a bad idea, but I'll link a KenPom blog specifically referencing that.

http://kenpom.com/blog/fairness-in-quality-wins/

The reason I focus on top 50 wins more than top 100 wins is because everybody else does. The reason why I focus on road wins is because everybody else does. Iowa doesn't have either which is the reason why Iowa State is rated much higher in metrics, and the reason why Iowa State is slated to be a top half seed by just about every bracketologist.
 
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