Gov. Kristi Noem of South Dakota
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That’s what a 1 year old wire haired pointer looks like? Isn’t that small for a hunting dog?In case you were wondering, this is what a wire haired pointer puppy looks like. What kind of heartless sociopath would shoot it?
She now contains more plastic than the Pacific OceanShe is morphing into Kimberly Guilfoyle
She is
Well, we know who isn't gonna be Trumps VP 
Turns out shooting puppies in the face isn't very popular in any quarter.
Turns out shooting puppies in the face isn't very popular in any quarter.
That is nowhere close to a 14 month old dog. Duh.In case you were wondering, this is what a wire haired pointer puppy looks like. What kind of heartless sociopath would shoot it?
The crazy part of this story is I bet there is a 50% chance that she never shot the dog. Meaning I would not be surprised if someone else did it or if they actually had it euthanized and she made up this version for her book to make her seem tough.
DeSantis hasn’t debased himself enough yet. And he needs to keep in mind once he accepts. He can never say no. Can’t think of anyone that has improved their political career by taking a Trump appointment. Perhaps Sarah Huckabee Saunders.
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Shouldn’t Corey be represented. Perhaps behind Noem .
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Iowa writer interviews actual Iowa farmers on the subject:
Click: Guardian Noem Memoir
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I dated a guy in college who grew up on a farm in southern Illinois—El Paso, Illinois, to be precise. The first time I visited his family, I was enveloped in a different world, stereotypical but wonderful in countless ways.
The house is what I think of whenever I read something about farm life. It was surrounded by acres and acres of flat land, with no nearby neighbors.
His mom and ‘sis’ would prepare a noon meal, almost like the Gold Buffet restaurant offered in Winterset. Plates of pass-it-and-take-as-much-as-you-want food circulated two or three times. I imagine much of what was served came from the backyard garden before it reached the table.
Photo by Michelle Tresemer on Unsplash
After the meal, it was time for the ‘men folk’ to return to work.
I loved them all: his mom, Norma, dad, Dallas, older brother, Chip, and sister, Diane.
On one visit, I discovered a baby raccoon whose fate would have been death had I, a city kid, not come along. My guy, John, explained that raccoons could devastate a corn crop, and the varmint had to be dispatched.
I insisted we take the baby, whom we named Rocky (of course), back to college. Dallas grinned at the idea, but as long as it was off the farm, he was ok with the outcome. The local grocer was kind enough to regularly give us produce that would have been thrown out to give to Rocky. For weeks, the nocturnal animal grew and grew and grew, and my fantasy of having a playful, dog-like animal in the apartment over the town square was not to be. I also understood, eventually, that raccoons are not meant to be domesticated, and thus was my first lesson learned about the reality of farm life.
Rocky became snarly as he matured, and it was clear he yearned to be rid of this hippie nonsense. We called the local animal control officer, who released Rocky in the woods. That’s what I was told, anyway. I do not know how Rocky did without the daily helpings of browning cabbage, wormy corn, and rotting apples. Unlike the need for self-reliance in the wild, he could waddle up to his food without effort.
This preamble acknowledges that I am a city kid, as are many talking heads. Still, I also understand that life on a farm is more complicated than I once thought, and my horrified reaction to Noem’s confession of shooting her puppy in the face needed to be checked out.
When the story came to light, thanks to The Guardian, via an excerpt from the forthcoming memoir of South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem, where she wrote that she killed a 14-month-old puppy by the name of Cricket, this tidbit from the book has dominated social conversations this week. The pup’s ‘crime’ was that she hadn’t yet turned into the hunting dog she was supposed to be; plus, when the unleashed pup hopped out of the Noem truck during a visit with a neighbor, she destroyed some chickens. Perhaps because Cricket didn’t understand the nuance between hanging out with older dogs and humans, hunting pheasants wasn’t the same as hunting chickens.
This was the excuse the politician used to shoot the puppy in the head.
Noem must have calculated that the memoir, particularly that incident, would add to her contrived narrative as a leader willing to make tough calls and boost her chances of being picked as the GOP VP candidate. In response, other Veepstakers, even Ron DeSantis, have posted pictures of themselves with their dogs this week.
Twitter [X] is abuzz with dog photos. Noem is taking a lot of bi-partisan incoming shame, even from GOP partisans who are otherwise mum when folks are mowed down by assault rifles while attending school, synagogues, concerts, shopping malls, and churches.
The Killing of a Puppy
...did we finally stumble upon a unifying issue?
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In case you missed THE political news story of the week, check out the original reporting by the Guardian magazine regarding a forthcoming memoir by South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem, where she writes about killing her 14-month-old puppy.
Click: Guardian Noem Memoir
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I dated a guy in college who grew up on a farm in southern Illinois—El Paso, Illinois, to be precise. The first time I visited his family, I was enveloped in a different world, stereotypical but wonderful in countless ways.
The house is what I think of whenever I read something about farm life. It was surrounded by acres and acres of flat land, with no nearby neighbors.
His mom and ‘sis’ would prepare a noon meal, almost like the Gold Buffet restaurant offered in Winterset. Plates of pass-it-and-take-as-much-as-you-want food circulated two or three times. I imagine much of what was served came from the backyard garden before it reached the table.
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After the meal, it was time for the ‘men folk’ to return to work.
I loved them all: his mom, Norma, dad, Dallas, older brother, Chip, and sister, Diane.
On one visit, I discovered a baby raccoon whose fate would have been death had I, a city kid, not come along. My guy, John, explained that raccoons could devastate a corn crop, and the varmint had to be dispatched.
I insisted we take the baby, whom we named Rocky (of course), back to college. Dallas grinned at the idea, but as long as it was off the farm, he was ok with the outcome. The local grocer was kind enough to regularly give us produce that would have been thrown out to give to Rocky. For weeks, the nocturnal animal grew and grew and grew, and my fantasy of having a playful, dog-like animal in the apartment over the town square was not to be. I also understood, eventually, that raccoons are not meant to be domesticated, and thus was my first lesson learned about the reality of farm life.
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Rocky became snarly as he matured, and it was clear he yearned to be rid of this hippie nonsense. We called the local animal control officer, who released Rocky in the woods. That’s what I was told, anyway. I do not know how Rocky did without the daily helpings of browning cabbage, wormy corn, and rotting apples. Unlike the need for self-reliance in the wild, he could waddle up to his food without effort.
This preamble acknowledges that I am a city kid, as are many talking heads. Still, I also understand that life on a farm is more complicated than I once thought, and my horrified reaction to Noem’s confession of shooting her puppy in the face needed to be checked out.
When the story came to light, thanks to The Guardian, via an excerpt from the forthcoming memoir of South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem, where she wrote that she killed a 14-month-old puppy by the name of Cricket, this tidbit from the book has dominated social conversations this week. The pup’s ‘crime’ was that she hadn’t yet turned into the hunting dog she was supposed to be; plus, when the unleashed pup hopped out of the Noem truck during a visit with a neighbor, she destroyed some chickens. Perhaps because Cricket didn’t understand the nuance between hanging out with older dogs and humans, hunting pheasants wasn’t the same as hunting chickens.
This was the excuse the politician used to shoot the puppy in the head.
Noem must have calculated that the memoir, particularly that incident, would add to her contrived narrative as a leader willing to make tough calls and boost her chances of being picked as the GOP VP candidate. In response, other Veepstakers, even Ron DeSantis, have posted pictures of themselves with their dogs this week.
Twitter [X] is abuzz with dog photos. Noem is taking a lot of bi-partisan incoming shame, even from GOP partisans who are otherwise mum when folks are mowed down by assault rifles while attending school, synagogues, concerts, shopping malls, and churches.
- Sep 13, 2002
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Wanting to make sure I wasn’t oversimplifying this puppy murder story and falling into an urban/rural divide trap, I reached out to a few folks who have farming backgrounds to see if any of them thought the shooting of Cricket was justified.
The first call was to my college friend, the farm boy who became a psychologist and poet and now splits his time between a Chicago suburb and Florida. His name is Dr. John Schuler, and he has remained a constant friend all these years. I hope he completes writing some of the books he’s working on because I’ll be eager to share his work with you. Not only is he a farm boy at heart, but he is also a ‘spiritual being having a human experience.’ He’s a Taurus and a slow-talking storyteller. The ‘Taurus’ thing made much more sense as a descriptor when I was 19, but I digress.
John said that life on a farm is more complicated than one might think. A raccoon in a corn crib could ruin a farmer's slim margin. A runt in a litter of pigs could end up costing more than it is eventually worth, and pigs aren’t named Wilber; they are a commodity raised for human consumption. Their life can spell the difference between losing money or making money— and nursing a runt could make the difference, so a slap upside the head with a fence post might be in order. Most of us grew up reading ‘Charlotte’s Web’ while having bacon and eggs for breakfast, oblivious to any connection.
But shooting ‘man’s best friend’ is a different story and a gross miscalculation by Noem. A 14-month-old pup is in adolescence, testing boundaries, and needs training and retraining. Not a bullet to the head. We have a 9-month-old puppy and have often said raising him is a lot more work than we remembered, but who could shoot this guy in the head??
J Dudley Gilbert, five months younger than Cricket at his time of death
So, what does a farm boy have to say?
''Noem’s declaration that tough decisions have to be made on a farm is not wrong, especially if it is a marginally profitable operation where options for euthanasia are limited, and calling a vet for services can affect what groceries you can buy that month,” said John.
Cricket deserved a better owner, he said. The governor could have re-homed her if she didn’t have the time to train or be responsible for the pup. She took a now popular, conservative grandstanding practice of linking herself with guns and being ‘tough.’
“The optics of today's image-making,” he added.
“I was shocked to read that Kristi Noem shot a 14-month-old pointer. She expected the dog to help on pheasant hunts, but this dog was ‘less than worthless,’ she said. Farm dogs are typically expected to help out, whether herding the livestock or guarding the property.
“I grew up on a farm and have been married to a farmer for most of my life, and we never would have considered shooting our dog if it didn’t perform well. Our dogs live outside, but they’re also our beloved pets.
“Apparently, Noem’s dog killed chickens on a visit to someone else’s farm. Dogs sometimes do kill chickens and even kill cats. In this case, it’s a canine instinct in these dogs that goes too deep to change.
“It’s true that on the farm, we do live our days near life —and death. We call a vet in the middle of the night to help deliver a calf and save the cow's life. Yet we take livestock to market. But, although our farm dogs serve a useful purpose, we love them – despite their failings – and mourn their loss from natural causes.
Noem has managed to harness the unthinkable: Former Biden press secretary Jen Psaki and former Fox News host Megyn Kelly agree: Cricket deserved to live.
Your life was short, Cricket, but you’ve managed to unite the country. Rest in Power.
The first call was to my college friend, the farm boy who became a psychologist and poet and now splits his time between a Chicago suburb and Florida. His name is Dr. John Schuler, and he has remained a constant friend all these years. I hope he completes writing some of the books he’s working on because I’ll be eager to share his work with you. Not only is he a farm boy at heart, but he is also a ‘spiritual being having a human experience.’ He’s a Taurus and a slow-talking storyteller. The ‘Taurus’ thing made much more sense as a descriptor when I was 19, but I digress.
John said that life on a farm is more complicated than one might think. A raccoon in a corn crib could ruin a farmer's slim margin. A runt in a litter of pigs could end up costing more than it is eventually worth, and pigs aren’t named Wilber; they are a commodity raised for human consumption. Their life can spell the difference between losing money or making money— and nursing a runt could make the difference, so a slap upside the head with a fence post might be in order. Most of us grew up reading ‘Charlotte’s Web’ while having bacon and eggs for breakfast, oblivious to any connection.
But shooting ‘man’s best friend’ is a different story and a gross miscalculation by Noem. A 14-month-old pup is in adolescence, testing boundaries, and needs training and retraining. Not a bullet to the head. We have a 9-month-old puppy and have often said raising him is a lot more work than we remembered, but who could shoot this guy in the head??
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So, what does a farm boy have to say?
''Noem’s declaration that tough decisions have to be made on a farm is not wrong, especially if it is a marginally profitable operation where options for euthanasia are limited, and calling a vet for services can affect what groceries you can buy that month,” said John.
Cricket deserved a better owner, he said. The governor could have re-homed her if she didn’t have the time to train or be responsible for the pup. She took a now popular, conservative grandstanding practice of linking herself with guns and being ‘tough.’
“The optics of today's image-making,” he added.
Cheryl Tevis
I also checked in with Iowa Writers Collaborative member Cheryl Tevis, who spent a long career working for Succesful Farming magazine and lives on a farm in Boone County. Her reaction:“I was shocked to read that Kristi Noem shot a 14-month-old pointer. She expected the dog to help on pheasant hunts, but this dog was ‘less than worthless,’ she said. Farm dogs are typically expected to help out, whether herding the livestock or guarding the property.
“I grew up on a farm and have been married to a farmer for most of my life, and we never would have considered shooting our dog if it didn’t perform well. Our dogs live outside, but they’re also our beloved pets.
“Apparently, Noem’s dog killed chickens on a visit to someone else’s farm. Dogs sometimes do kill chickens and even kill cats. In this case, it’s a canine instinct in these dogs that goes too deep to change.
“It’s true that on the farm, we do live our days near life —and death. We call a vet in the middle of the night to help deliver a calf and save the cow's life. Yet we take livestock to market. But, although our farm dogs serve a useful purpose, we love them – despite their failings – and mourn their loss from natural causes.
Bottom Line
Let’s be sure Governor Kristi Noem doesn’t spin this into a story about a gun-toting woman who’s just working the land versus us howling snowflake, woke libs.Noem has managed to harness the unthinkable: Former Biden press secretary Jen Psaki and former Fox News host Megyn Kelly agree: Cricket deserved to live.
Your life was short, Cricket, but you’ve managed to unite the country. Rest in Power.
I don't know where I fall on the whole puppy-killing thing, but anyone that tries to tame a raccoon is crazy.Iowa writer interviews actual Iowa farmers on the subject:
The Killing of a Puppy
...did we finally stumble upon a unifying issue?
APR 30
In case you missed THE political news story of the week, check out the original reporting by the Guardian magazine regarding a forthcoming memoir by South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem, where she writes about killing her 14-month-old puppy.
Click: Guardian Noem Memoir
Upgrade to paid
I dated a guy in college who grew up on a farm in southern Illinois—El Paso, Illinois, to be precise. The first time I visited his family, I was enveloped in a different world, stereotypical but wonderful in countless ways.
The house is what I think of whenever I read something about farm life. It was surrounded by acres and acres of flat land, with no nearby neighbors.
His mom and ‘sis’ would prepare a noon meal, almost like the Gold Buffet restaurant offered in Winterset. Plates of pass-it-and-take-as-much-as-you-want food circulated two or three times. I imagine much of what was served came from the backyard garden before it reached the table.
Photo by Michelle Tresemer on Unsplash
After the meal, it was time for the ‘men folk’ to return to work.
I loved them all: his mom, Norma, dad, Dallas, older brother, Chip, and sister, Diane.
On one visit, I discovered a baby raccoon whose fate would have been death had I, a city kid, not come along. My guy, John, explained that raccoons could devastate a corn crop, and the varmint had to be dispatched.
I insisted we take the baby, whom we named Rocky (of course), back to college. Dallas grinned at the idea, but as long as it was off the farm, he was ok with the outcome. The local grocer was kind enough to regularly give us produce that would have been thrown out to give to Rocky. For weeks, the nocturnal animal grew and grew and grew, and my fantasy of having a playful, dog-like animal in the apartment over the town square was not to be. I also understood, eventually, that raccoons are not meant to be domesticated, and thus was my first lesson learned about the reality of farm life.
Rocky became snarly as he matured, and it was clear he yearned to be rid of this hippie nonsense. We called the local animal control officer, who released Rocky in the woods. That’s what I was told, anyway. I do not know how Rocky did without the daily helpings of browning cabbage, wormy corn, and rotting apples. Unlike the need for self-reliance in the wild, he could waddle up to his food without effort.
This preamble acknowledges that I am a city kid, as are many talking heads. Still, I also understand that life on a farm is more complicated than I once thought, and my horrified reaction to Noem’s confession of shooting her puppy in the face needed to be checked out.
When the story came to light, thanks to The Guardian, via an excerpt from the forthcoming memoir of South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem, where she wrote that she killed a 14-month-old puppy by the name of Cricket, this tidbit from the book has dominated social conversations this week. The pup’s ‘crime’ was that she hadn’t yet turned into the hunting dog she was supposed to be; plus, when the unleashed pup hopped out of the Noem truck during a visit with a neighbor, she destroyed some chickens. Perhaps because Cricket didn’t understand the nuance between hanging out with older dogs and humans, hunting pheasants wasn’t the same as hunting chickens.
This was the excuse the politician used to shoot the puppy in the head.
Noem must have calculated that the memoir, particularly that incident, would add to her contrived narrative as a leader willing to make tough calls and boost her chances of being picked as the GOP VP candidate. In response, other Veepstakers, even Ron DeSantis, have posted pictures of themselves with their dogs this week.
Twitter [X] is abuzz with dog photos. Noem is taking a lot of bi-partisan incoming shame, even from GOP partisans who are otherwise mum when folks are mowed down by assault rifles while attending school, synagogues, concerts, shopping malls, and churches.
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Of course dog lovers might get their panties in a bunch. I just think it's common farm behavior. Animals have a function and if they don't meet it...
My brother wrote a song about dog killing when he was 7:
There's a dog licking worms off the street
Bang bang just shoot him in the head, just shoot him in the head
That dog looked at the pie too long
Bang bang just shoot him in the head, just shoot him in the head
That dog barked too long
Bang bang just shoot him in the head, just shoot him in the head
That dog pooped on the lawn
Bang bang just shoot him in the head, just shoot him in the head
That is all very disturbing. You have a really caring family.
He was just 7 and it was funny. Thread made me think of it. It's not like he ever abused animals or was a bad person.
Sure. It's interesting that he wrote the song and even more that you still remember it.
It's still fu$$ed up. And no, not millions of rural people just shoot their 14 month old dog in the head in front of a construction crew. And if you think that's right you're just as fu%cked up at they are.
What's the construction crew have to do with it? That they were watching? I assume she didn't do it for that reason. That would be weird.
According to @Colonoscopy millions of rural people do it every year.Well, we know who isn't gonna be Trumps VP
Turns out shooting puppies in the face isn't very popular in any quarter.
I'm pretty sure your brother is a serial killer if he wrote that at 7.
She doesn't know Illinois geography very well.Wanting to make sure I wasn’t oversimplifying this puppy murder story and falling into an urban/rural divide trap, I reached out to a few folks who have farming backgrounds to see if any of them thought the shooting of Cricket was justified.
The first call was to my college friend, the farm boy who became a psychologist and poet and now splits his time between a Chicago suburb and Florida. His name is Dr. John Schuler, and he has remained a constant friend all these years. I hope he completes writing some of the books he’s working on because I’ll be eager to share his work with you. Not only is he a farm boy at heart, but he is also a ‘spiritual being having a human experience.’ He’s a Taurus and a slow-talking storyteller. The ‘Taurus’ thing made much more sense as a descriptor when I was 19, but I digress.
John said that life on a farm is more complicated than one might think. A raccoon in a corn crib could ruin a farmer's slim margin. A runt in a litter of pigs could end up costing more than it is eventually worth, and pigs aren’t named Wilber; they are a commodity raised for human consumption. Their life can spell the difference between losing money or making money— and nursing a runt could make the difference, so a slap upside the head with a fence post might be in order. Most of us grew up reading ‘Charlotte’s Web’ while having bacon and eggs for breakfast, oblivious to any connection.
But shooting ‘man’s best friend’ is a different story and a gross miscalculation by Noem. A 14-month-old pup is in adolescence, testing boundaries, and needs training and retraining. Not a bullet to the head. We have a 9-month-old puppy and have often said raising him is a lot more work than we remembered, but who could shoot this guy in the head??
J Dudley Gilbert, five months younger than Cricket at his time of death
So, what does a farm boy have to say?
''Noem’s declaration that tough decisions have to be made on a farm is not wrong, especially if it is a marginally profitable operation where options for euthanasia are limited, and calling a vet for services can affect what groceries you can buy that month,” said John.
Cricket deserved a better owner, he said. The governor could have re-homed her if she didn’t have the time to train or be responsible for the pup. She took a now popular, conservative grandstanding practice of linking herself with guns and being ‘tough.’
“The optics of today's image-making,” he added.
Cheryl Tevis
I also checked in with Iowa Writers Collaborative member Cheryl Tevis, who spent a long career working for Succesful Farming magazine and lives on a farm in Boone County. Her reaction:
“I was shocked to read that Kristi Noem shot a 14-month-old pointer. She expected the dog to help on pheasant hunts, but this dog was ‘less than worthless,’ she said. Farm dogs are typically expected to help out, whether herding the livestock or guarding the property.
“I grew up on a farm and have been married to a farmer for most of my life, and we never would have considered shooting our dog if it didn’t perform well. Our dogs live outside, but they’re also our beloved pets.
“Apparently, Noem’s dog killed chickens on a visit to someone else’s farm. Dogs sometimes do kill chickens and even kill cats. In this case, it’s a canine instinct in these dogs that goes too deep to change.
“It’s true that on the farm, we do live our days near life —and death. We call a vet in the middle of the night to help deliver a calf and save the cow's life. Yet we take livestock to market. But, although our farm dogs serve a useful purpose, we love them – despite their failings – and mourn their loss from natural causes.
Bottom Line
Let’s be sure Governor Kristi Noem doesn’t spin this into a story about a gun-toting woman who’s just working the land versus us howling snowflake, woke libs.
Noem has managed to harness the unthinkable: Former Biden press secretary Jen Psaki and former Fox News host Megyn Kelly agree: Cricket deserved to live.
Your life was short, Cricket, but you’ve managed to unite the country. Rest in Power.
Nope. You're an idiot. He's like 37 now. All around nice person. Funny, to boot.
And Noem's behavior is normal for the rural crowd. You live a sheltered life.
Apparently, dogs shoot people more often in this country than governors shoot dogs. That said, I hereby vow to never vote for Noem for SD governor or for ANY national office, President and VP included. 🫤
Dogs shooting humans on hunting trips? It's rare, but it happens.
A freak accident in Mississippi left a hunter without a leg. But reports show dogs have accidentally shot hunters in several instances across the U.S.
www.clarionledger.com
Can’t we all just rejoice that she won’t be his nominee
Let's be honest, you're not a good judge of what's funny. I grew up around family farms and I never experienced people shooting their pets because they couldn't hunt. Maybe a feral cat was shot but never a family pet.
I'm a very good judge of what's funny. The absurdly violent response to a stupid situation -- licking worms off the street -- by a little kid is hilarious.
Anyway, she said the thing was killing chickens and being aggressive with people. Once I saw that factoid I was pretty meh...
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His brother who wrote about killing things at 7 is very funny and normal now at 37.
You and your brother are extremely odd and disturbing.
You people are moron simpletons. It was a seven year old kid. He was into legos and guns and space wars.
He said a bajillion stupid things. It's not like he ever abused animals. This thread just reminded me of that instance and I had to laugh.
Anyway...
Again, my position is based on the dog killing chickens and being aggressive with people. In that situation it's not an unusual response.
And you have to include that context. It's shit reporting if a story is run on the topic and that context isn't included. That's exactly why we justify her move. Can't leave that context out.
She should've just dropped him in the woods and let nature take care of it. Amirite?
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Sure - You and your creepy family are right and everyone else is wrong 😂
The outside dog is how the GOP views the working middle class
I'm not saying that's how I would have handled it. I'm just saying it seemed to be a common route to go on the farm.
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