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Governors have little power to block refugees

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So all of these cowardly governors are essentially merely making horrible symbolic statements:

State governments often play a small role in helping to resettle refugees. But despite protests from more than a dozen Republican governors who want to close their states to Syrian refugees, those governors probably have little power to stop them from coming, legal scholars say.

"The one thing I feel very comfortable saying is there is absolutely no constitutional power for a state to exclude anyone from its territories," said Stephen Legomsky, a Washington University of St. Louis law professor and former chief counsel of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services in the Obama administration.

A growing number of Republican governors have protested the resettlement of Syrian refugees since the terrorist attacks in Paris last Friday. At least one of the Paris attackers was carrying a Syrian passport — but French officials said Saturday that the passport was a fake.

Still, the Paris attacks have reopened the debate over the Obama administration's decision in September to accept 10,000 Syrian refugees over the next year.

The Republican governors have taken a range of approaches to the issue, but none has explained how they would legally keep Syrian refugees out. Whether states have to actively cooperate those those resettlements is another question, and that's where many of the governors are trying to exert leverage.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, a Republican presidential candidate, signed an executive order Monday directing state agencies to "utilize all lawful means to prevent the resettlement of Syrian refugees." Syrian refugees already in the state will be "monitored" by the Louisiana State Police, the order said. A spokesman declined to elaborate on what those lawful means are.

But most governors have simply asked the president to rethink his Syrian refugee policy. "I urge you, as president, to halt your plans to allow Syrians to be resettled anywhere in the United States," Texas Gov. Greg Abbott wrote in a letter Monday. "Neither you nor any federal official can guarantee that Syrian refugees will not be part of any terroristic activity. As such, opening our door to them irresponsibly exposes our fellow Americans to unacceptable peril."

President Obama didn't address the governors directly Monday. But after securing an agreement from industrialized nations to do more to help with refugee resettlement. he told reporters, "the United States has to step up and do its part."

"And when I hear folks say that, well, maybe we should just admit the Christians but not the Muslims, when I hear political leaders suggesting that there would be a religious test for which person who's fleeing from a war-torn country is admitted, when some of those folks themselves come from families who benefited from protection when they were fleeing political persecution, that's shameful. That's not American, it's not who we are,” Obama said. He urged American political leaders “not to fall into that trap, not to feed that dark impulse inside of us.”
State Department spokesman Mark Toner said Monday that he couldn't address whether the states have the legal authority to block the resettlements. "It's a valid question, I just don't want to give you an off-the-cuff answer," he said.

But he also said he doesn't expect a constitutional showdown. "Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. We have seen some of these letters, some of these public remarks. We’re going to engage with these governments, these localities, and we're going to address their concerns," he said.

"We're confident that we have a process in place to allow the safe resettlement of Syrian refugees," Toner said. "We wouldn't, to be perfectly honest, try to increase the number of refugees if we couldn't be sure they could be safely vetted."

The Refugee Act of 1980 requires the State Department to maintain "an effective and responsive liaison" with governors and mayors, but doesn't give governors any formal role in resettlement.

"Most of these resettlement decisions are partnerships with churches and private organizations that are offering to resettle," said Anna Law, a political scientist at Brooklyn College who's studied the history of state efforts to limit immigration. "I think this is political posturing. The decision to admit refugees is made at the federal level. Whether these refugees are admitted to the United States, that is not their call."

States do have a small amount of financial leverage through their state resettlement offices. Many of the governors have directed their state offices not to participate in helping to relocate Syrian refugees in their states. It's unclear what effect pulling that support could have.

“Governors can talk about pulling their consent and funding, but most of the state money is federal pass-through dollars," said Matthew Soerens, spokesman for World Relief, a non-profit contractor with the State Department to resettle refugees. “It’s important to remember that once refugees are here, they are free to move anywhere they want. It would be a scary proposition for governor’s to start talking about closing borders.”

http://www.press-citizen.com/story/...rs-have-little-power-block-refugees/75888766/
 
Time to tear her down.

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I love how liberals were all for making the muslim brown guy, with the box cutter, and the truck bomb, the bad guy- when it came to okc bombing, then settled upon tim McVeigh because he's a white right winger supposedly, even though he was a Clinton dem.
Then they loved to make the little brown guys with box cutters bad- when Obama needed the cold dead body of bin laden to hide his birth certificate issue.

Now the little brown guy with box cutters and bombs is fine to come across the border here, because he may bomb repubber southern states, he may ruin tx, like latinos did, so he's fine now. carry on. yes, the latino flood gates ruined tx, it's now Honduras. thanks folks. and repubbers opened the flood gates, liberals love it. it's commie vs normal people
 
Where in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government is in charge of immigration??
 
Where in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government is in charge of immigration??

American University law professor Stephen I. Vladeck put it this way: "Legally, states have no authority to do anything because the question of who should be allowed in this country is one that the Constitution commits to the federal government." But Vladeck noted that without the state's participation, the federal government would have a much more arduous task.

"So a state can't say it is legally objecting, but it can refuse to cooperate, which makes thing much more difficult."

Is shunning refugees the answer to terror?

Kevin Appleby, director of migration policy at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said one tactic states could use would be to cut their own funding in areas such as resettling refugees. The conference is the largest refugee resettlement organization in the country.

But "when push comes to shove, the federal government has both the plenary power and the power of the 1980 Refugee Act to place refugees anywhere in the country," Appleby said.

More than 250,000 people have died since the violence broke out in Syria in 2011, and at least 11 million people in the country of 22 million have fled their homes. Syrians are now the world's largest refugee population, according to the United Nations. Most are struggling to find safe haven in Europe.

In announcing that his state would not accept any Syrian refugees, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott tweeted Monday on his personal account, "I demand the U.S. act similarly," he said. "Security comes first."

I think if push comes to shove, the states will protest (not Baltimore style) and push back on the Feds. To what extent i am not sure but i feel there will be an uprising.
#AmericanIivesmatter
 
These terrorists do not represent Islam no matter how badly you want them to.
Keep moving the target and fail to see the facts. You said they were not muslim, the DEFINITION says they are. CRI at its finest Huey - although I understand you like things there...
 
Keep moving the target and fail to see the facts. You said they were not muslim, the DEFINITION says they are. CRI at its finest Huey - although I understand you like things there...
Islam does not teach its followers to go out and kill hundreds of innocent people. Try again.
 
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"These are not regular people," Mohamed Abdeslam, 29, said of his brothers. "You cannot have the slightest doubt that they have been prepared, that they must not leave any trace which would cause suspicion that they might do such things. And even if you saw them every day, their behavior was quite normal."

The Paris bomber's own brother states that you would not know they are what they are, they are are trained to not raise suspicion.
 
American University law professor Stephen I. Vladeck put it this way: "Legally, states have no authority to do anything because the question of who should be allowed in this country is one that the Constitution commits to the federal government." But Vladeck noted that without the state's participation, the federal government would have a much more arduous task.

"So a state can't say it is legally objecting, but it can refuse to cooperate, which makes thing much more difficult."

Is shunning refugees the answer to terror?

Kevin Appleby, director of migration policy at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said one tactic states could use would be to cut their own funding in areas such as resettling refugees. The conference is the largest refugee resettlement organization in the country.

But "when push comes to shove, the federal government has both the plenary power and the power of the 1980 Refugee Act to place refugees anywhere in the country," Appleby said.

More than 250,000 people have died since the violence broke out in Syria in 2011, and at least 11 million people in the country of 22 million have fled their homes. Syrians are now the world's largest refugee population, according to the United Nations. Most are struggling to find safe haven in Europe.

In announcing that his state would not accept any Syrian refugees, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott tweeted Monday on his personal account, "I demand the U.S. act similarly," he said. "Security comes first."

I think if push comes to shove, the states will protest (not Baltimore style) and push back on the Feds. To what extent i am not sure but i feel there will be an uprising.
#AmericanIivesmatter

Again, where in the constitution does it say the federal government has the authority. The guy says it in the article but where does it say it??
 
...and the Left hate Christians. What is your point?
Much of the left is made up of Christians. The left simply doesn't want the U.S. to turn into a Christian state, which seems to be a legitimate concern given the right's reaction to these terrorists.
 
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Muslims didn't attack Paris. Jihadists did.

There are Christian Jihadists? Hindu Jihadists? Jewish Jihadists?

Is the word jihad found in religious texts other than that of Islam?

How can one be a Jihadist and not at least claim to be Muslim?
 
This brings up a question I've been trying to wrap my mind around for a while.

Given how much the federal government has stripped away states rights, particularly the last century, why do still have states?

I'm not saying that I approve of the way things are going, but given the costs involved, if we aren't going to allow the states to determine their own anything, why not just break them up and go with the single, central government? If we're going to allow the fed to screw everyone anyway, just go all the way.
 
Much of the left is made up of Christians. The left simply doesn't want the U.S. to turn into a Christian state, which seems to be a legitimate concern given the right's reaction to these terrorists.

Much of the left is made up of Christians. The left simply doesn't want the U.S. to turn into a Christian state, which seems to be a legitimate concern given the right's reaction to these terrorists.

The right do not hate "brown people", or Muslims. Most are concerned with the lack of opportunity for immigrants to support themselves in this country without adequate job growth and a struggling economy.

But, no one wants to have that conversation, so the race/hate card is played.

It's a short-cut around thought.
 
Have you two ever read the Constitution? I'm guessing not. This isn't that hard.

Obviously reading and understanding are 2 different things. We are taking on refugees and that is not addressed in the constitution. It simply says they will make the laws on how to become a naturalized citizen.

Then I forget you are the one who says they Supreme Court updates the law.
 
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You're claiming that Islam teaches terrorism and I'm the one that needs to move on. Whatever. You obviously don't know what you're talking about here.
Let's go back to the original post:
You said - Muslims didn't attack Paris. Jihadists did.
I gave you the definition of a Jihadist straight from the dictionary (which you still won't\can't deny). This refuted your claim of a Muslim not being a Jihadist.

Now you switch lanes and say I am claiming Islam teaches "X" - please point out where I said Islam teaches anything... You can't (you are creating that in your own mind).
 
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Let's go back to the original post:
You said - Muslims didn't attack Paris. Jihadists did.
I gave you the definition of a Jihadist straight from the dictionary (which you still won't\can't deny). This refuted your claim of a Muslim not being a Jihadist.

Now you switch lanes and say I am claiming Islam teaches "X" - please point out where I said Islam teaches anything... You can't (you are creating that in your own mind).

People like Huey are really good at that. They post without thinking and without a rudimentary understanding of vocabulary, and then when they get called out on it, they scream, stomp their feet, and try to change the subject multiple times. It's the MO of a lot of the democrats on here from what I've seen.

In all fairness, it's probably done a lot by republicans as well.
 
Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.

Naturalization (or naturalisation) is the legal act or process by which a non-citizen in a country may acquire citizenship or nationality of that country.

This is about citizenship. It does not address non citizens and refugees.

Do you not know what "Nationality" means?

"Nationality affords the state jurisdiction over the person and affords the person the protection of the state..The noun national can include both citizens and non-citizens.."

Seems to me that this would cover refugees quite well.
 
The right do not hate "brown people", or Muslims. Most are concerned with the lack of opportunity for immigrants to support themselves in this country without adequate job growth and a struggling economy.

But, no one wants to have that conversation, so the race/hate card is played.

It's a short-cut around thought.
If the right doesn't hate brown people, they're sure doing a poor job expressing that belief. You leading candidates have literally said that Muslims shouldn't be in the White House and have accused Mexicans of being rapists. These aren't just average nutbags. These are your two leading Presidential candidates. How do you expect us to take such comments?
 
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If the right doesn't hate brown people, they're sure doing a poor job expressing that belief. You leading candidates have literally said that Muslims shouldn't be in the White House and have accused Mexicans of being rapists. These aren't just average nutbags. These are your two leading Presidential candidates. How do you expect us to take such comments?

Can I take some quotes from the Left's candidates and say they are all of your opinions as well?

You always operate in absolutes/black and white. It has to be exhausting for you and the people who try to love you.
 
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