Are you referring to the lawsuit that was largely debunked and turned out to be a money grab? The one where the allegations mirrored the way many coaches run their programs and weight rooms, including those who aren't white? If so, why do you continue to bring it up?
Has your opinion of Kirk changed? How?
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I was a big admirer of his until he got so touchy after losses and couldn't handle even the most insignificant criticism acting like understanding football is too complicated for us mortal humans. Well, we certainly recognized what we were watching under his son's offensive play calling, even if he didn't.
So many of you just don't get it. KF found the formula to win at Iowa. He started competing with the Big 2 and the Little 8. He knew he could not compete with MI and OSU, but also knew he could keep his job by being one of the best of the 8. He figured out that Iowa could produce linemen but few skill players. He had the knack of finding players that had skill that needed to be developed and if he kept the scores low and close, he would win more than he would lose by having a decent D and a simple never changing O that concentrated on ball possession. Damn, it worked for 20 years.
Now there is a new paradigm with players leaving and coming every year depending on where they can play and get paid the most. I believe KF hates it and does not want to adapt to it. Or maybe, he knows Iowa can't continually have above .500 teams with new rules. I hope he bows out gracefully.
Now there is a new paradigm with players leaving and coming every year depending on where they can play and get paid the most. I believe KF hates it and does not want to adapt to it. Or maybe, he knows Iowa can't continually have above .500 teams with new rules. I hope he bows out gracefully.
I feel good about KF. I think he made a mistake with his son that has a tragic ending all around. We are all human and have flaws and make mistakes. Brian is finishing the season, why not wait until the end? I would think KF earned that much. Guess not.
I hope Kirk returns but this mess was of his making. Any member of his staff is his to hire, fire and evaluate, except a member of his family.
Um, how about a little more context here? This is a pretty damning accusation against Kirks character.
You don’t make a mistake over the course of several years. This was willful ignorance. What Kirk allowed to happen is unforgivable. And you damn well know if it were up to him, Brian would be back next year. So fvck him and fvck all the dipshits on here attacking the AD for doing what should have been done 2 years ago.
Sensationalize and mock all you want. Kirk purposely put his personal ambitions ahead of the program. Sorry you can’t compute the seriousness of his infraction.Unforgiveable! OMG!!!
Burn HIM at the STAKE!
You’re the biggest jerk off on the board. If you were actually an Iowa fan someone might care what you say.
After reading this, I am actually reminded of some really good times and don't agree with your take.
I think it is time for Kirk to move on because the game has far surpassed him as others have eluded to and we have had easier schedules. I don't think the Big Ten West has actually been bad until the last 2 or 3 years based on non- conference games and all games not against OSU or Michigan. The offense is beyond repair as well.
Back to the point...
You said toliet bowls and I don't think those are toilet bowl games. Outback and Cap One are usually a top 20 matchup. We have won plenty of those in the past under Kirk.
We have also sustained a level of success that not many other programs can say. We joke about 8 wins but man... that is not easy to do on a consistent basis. I give KF and company credit for that.
Finally, we did have a BCS win against GT in the Orange Bowl. That was pretty sweet.
Kirk has given me so many games that I will remember forever at Kinnick Stadium and I'll be grateful for that. He kept Iowa relevant most seasons.
Now it's all too bad how this ends. He did it to himself and forced the hand of Goetz who made 100% the right call. It will take some time to remember all the good because of how crappy the last few years have felt and the blown opportinity to be really great had we had even a below average offense.
Hayden was the one who actually started to compete with the Big 2. Not sure how you’re remembering it this way. And these bad offenses have nothing to do with NIL and paying players.
That’s why we don’t hire them into very important positions, unless it’s a family owned business
My opinion of Kirk has not changed much. From the beginning he seems to be level headed, honest, hard working, and wants the best for his players. I have also seen the conservative nature and some stubborness in evaluating players. For example, it took him years to stop punting from the opponents 35 yard line even when he has a very good defense. He was on the conservative side of many risk-reward decisions. His stubborness with personnel.
But he is a hell of a head coach for keeping Iowa winning for so long. He must be a good manager and leader.
I think the whole Brian F as OC was a mistake when he did it because you just do not logically make a rookie the OC of a top 30 program.
But he is a hell of a head coach for keeping Iowa winning for so long. He must be a good manager and leader.
I think the whole Brian F as OC was a mistake when he did it because you just do not logically make a rookie the OC of a top 30 program.
Minus the pedo crap, his coaching trajectory sure mirrors Paterno. Hires his son, keeps coaching after the game has passed him by, but too much good will built up to actually fire the guy.
I want to fight this bitch. Maybe pre Husker game since he’s a fan of them
Since I don’t know the man at all, I’ll just go with comments I’ve read from former players. The vast majority have been complimentary and said at a point when they have nothing to gain by doing so.
I don’t blame him for hiring Brian, but I blame him for keeping him, and I haven’t heard anyone connected with the program support Kirk for that.
I don’t blame him for hiring Brian, but I blame him for keeping him, and I haven’t heard anyone connected with the program support Kirk for that.
In an alternate universe Kirk Ferentz retired after the 2019 Holiday Bowl. The Fry/Ferentz legacy cemented after 40 years with a sendoff Holiday Bowl victory in honor of Hayden. The stage would be set for the next Iowa head coach. But that's too poetic for real life.
Obviously, his plan was to elevate him to a coordinator, not just for the 7 figure income, but so he could slide into the head coach position when he retired. Would have been harder to rationalize giving your son the head coach position straight from being an offensive line coach. He really over estimated Brian’s abilities.
In a way...this ending (if that's what this ends up being) is appropriate. KFz always dug in his heels and waited too long...to make changes. Always. When he did it on his son's behalf...at the expense of the program...he made his biggest mistake.
Sadly, it will be a big part of how he's remembered. UNLESS...he stays and makes a nice 2-3 year run. Then it will be more of a footnote.
2000 - 104/116 (Ken O'Keefe)
2001 - 45/117 (Ken O'Keefe)
2002 - 13/117 (Ken O'Keefe)
2003 - 92/117 (Ken O'Keefe)
2004 - 104/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2005 - 22/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2006 - 27/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2007 - 109/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2008 - 53/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2009 - 89/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2010 - 57/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2011 - 76/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2012 - 117/124 (Greg Davis)
2013 - 84/125 (Greg Davis)
2014 - 66/128 (Greg Davis)
2015 - 72/128 (Greg Davis)
2016 - 121/128 (Greg Davis)
2017 - 117/130 (Brian Ferentz)
2018 - 92/130 (Brian Ferentz)
2019 - 99/130 (Brian Ferentz)
2020 - 88/128 (Brian Ferentz)
2021 - 124/130 (Brian Ferentz)
239.8 passing yards a game and 143.5 rushing per game. They averaged 2.4 turnovers a game however. Three QB’s combined for 19 ints
