I have made my opinions known before. Which are not real firm by the way. However, what I really want is the band aid ripped off. If he comes to Iowa we can discuss and if not no reaason to discuss. But this circling is what sucks. Take him or not then we can discuss.
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And then took it down. And then put it back up just to taunt her. He's a great guy who's earned the right to wrestle at Iowa. I mean...the guy from Flo "likes" him!
He "has baggage" to the level that Trump "tells fibs."
A lot of kids you like do a lot of stupid crap, they just don't announce to the world. Thank the Lord there wasn't twitter when I was that age. Drank a ton and got caught I think 3 or 4 times under 21. Had an OWI. Smoked the green stuff. Flunked out of college. All I cared about was having a good time. Ironically, after my 21st birthday I somehow woke up and decided to live a healthier lifestyle.
I now have a college degree and a very professional career. Married for over 15 years with three amazing children. Oh yeah, I barely drink.
Tom and Terry are not stupid and I'm sure they have a good idea about what they are getting their hands on. This honestly could be a turning point in this kid's life just like mine and probably others on this site as well.
I would give him strict rules and the proper support that this kid needs. First being the deletion of his social media accounts and alcohol/drug use. Zero tolerance policy.
I'll support whatever the Iowa Hawkeye coaches decide. I certainly won't NOT root for them anymore, that is just flat out a ridiculous statement.
I now have a college degree and a very professional career. Married for over 15 years with three amazing children. Oh yeah, I barely drink.
Tom and Terry are not stupid and I'm sure they have a good idea about what they are getting their hands on. This honestly could be a turning point in this kid's life just like mine and probably others on this site as well.
I would give him strict rules and the proper support that this kid needs. First being the deletion of his social media accounts and alcohol/drug use. Zero tolerance policy.
I'll support whatever the Iowa Hawkeye coaches decide. I certainly won't NOT root for them anymore, that is just flat out a ridiculous statement.
Thanks so cal Im not sure what to think I would like to meet him and see him compete he did seem to be composed during a couple of controversial calls in the match with Dean so theres that. The last thing Iowa wants is a cancer in the room but maybe the opposite would occur and the focussed young stars would have enough influence to keep him on the right track. Again I would have TNT's back no matter what but I can see How this could turn south and the odds are against this young man
He's never apologized for the BJ video and he posted that vid without that girl's consent.. so... F him
That's a form of sexual assault. Until he speaks to that situation and shows that he has learned from it, I will never support him. That's where I draw the line.
I think I'd still root for the 9 other Hawkeyes in the lineup this year, but it's a tough call
I'm actually all for giving people as many dang chances as they need and trying to help them get their lives straight. He hasn't expressed any remorse for his previous actions. He's barely even ever acknowledged any fault at all for any of this previous troubles
He hasn't even begun to take the first step in the accountability process and road to redemption. His dad was using racial slurs on the internet as recently as around a week ago and PD3 was right along with him, egging on the individuals they were taunting. No thanks
That's a form of sexual assault. Until he speaks to that situation and shows that he has learned from it, I will never support him. That's where I draw the line.
I think I'd still root for the 9 other Hawkeyes in the lineup this year, but it's a tough call
I'm actually all for giving people as many dang chances as they need and trying to help them get their lives straight. He hasn't expressed any remorse for his previous actions. He's barely even ever acknowledged any fault at all for any of this previous troubles
He hasn't even begun to take the first step in the accountability process and road to redemption. His dad was using racial slurs on the internet as recently as around a week ago and PD3 was right along with him, egging on the individuals they were taunting. No thanks
As a Cyclone fan...rooted for PDIII and hoped for a "redemption story" until things totally fell apart this year. His lack of accountability played the biggest role in me jumping off the bandwagon. Still a sucker for a redemption story, and am sure TNT would have strict boundaries in place...but good luck with that. Pure speculation, but any link between Rathbun,Wagner etc reportedly leaving and possible PDIII arrival? Guessing he wouldn't be coming for free
I did not know about any sex video and I would imagine if it was serious there would be charges brought against him for it . But I completely disagree with you (Sun) to state you would not back the other 9 starters after a fair process and TnT making the decision to bring him in is dead wrong IMO the team does not deserve any statement like that..
Wouldn't cheer against them by any means but would have a hard time supporting a program that takes on a person like that
None of us control the destiny of others. None of us control how people respond and it's not our right to.
The PROGRAM has stated, on multiple occasions in multiple public outlets that it stands for people of high moral fiber. And that that is a huge reason in turning around our recent lack of success.
PDIII is a step backward and not someone I think deserves to wear the singlet. Because of that, I can only control how I react IF he becomes a Hawk. And I'll be bowing out as a fan. To be totally unrepentant as a 25 year old man? No thanks. I have a daughter. And the revenge porn is absolutely a deal breaker for me.
The PROGRAM has stated, on multiple occasions in multiple public outlets that it stands for people of high moral fiber. And that that is a huge reason in turning around our recent lack of success.
PDIII is a step backward and not someone I think deserves to wear the singlet. Because of that, I can only control how I react IF he becomes a Hawk. And I'll be bowing out as a fan. To be totally unrepentant as a 25 year old man? No thanks. I have a daughter. And the revenge porn is absolutely a deal breaker for me.
He also posted videos on snapchat of them having sex.
She went to the police about the blowjob videos and got them taken down but did not want to press charges. He then put them back up and quickly deleted them shortly after.
Sounds like a real great guy!
Obviously if this is the way he conducts himself and has not taken full responsibility for his actions and shown that kind of behavior would not be in his future then there is no chance that he will be a Hawk
Ha ha ha ha. Yeah same situation here in Iowa City as Ames with KJ
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What's wrong with KJ as a mentor? Sure he's obviously not an elite coach, but I've never known him to have moral issues.
I wouldn't go so far as not attending dual meets and supporting the team if I was an Iowa fan - it's not like he will wrestle in them anyway. He'll bluster about being undefeated while missing every important match after the IC duals anyway, and then declare himself ready for nationals with his ready made excuse of not enough training/conditioning when he loses.
Holloway has nothing to worry about.
Holloway has nothing to worry about.
Wait, a Minnesota fan is heckling another program over (something that hasn't even happened yet) behavior/character? Rich.
Enough with all of the posts about not supporting Iowa if Downey becomes a Hawk. If you don't want to support the Hawks then don't support the Hawks. But quit trying to use it as some petty, childish, preemptive strong arm to impact the coaches/admins decision making.
I'm an Iowa alum, and will support them either way. You can want Iowa wrestling to succeed without liking or supporting Downey as a person. They're not mutually exclusive.
I'm an Iowa alum, and will support them either way. You can want Iowa wrestling to succeed without liking or supporting Downey as a person. They're not mutually exclusive.
I'm a skeptic by nature so it's difficult for me to look past all the juvenile stuff that he seems to speak and act upon. That said, if he's part of the team I will root for the Hawks as much as I ever did. What are ya gonna do, just turn off the switch on being a fan of Stoll, Sorensen, Kemerer.......etc?
Exactly. I don't think they realize how silly that looks. Next someone will say they're going to hold their breath or take their ball and go home if he signs.
Wait, Rat Martin is back in town?
I heard it was going to be Iowa 6 weeks ago... If he is a Hawkeye I will support him. If he screws up, well, they gave him a chance and he screwed it up.. good riddance then.
nebraska and manning are still sympathetic to Downey. just because he couldn't/didn't figure it out when he was there, doesn't mean they were conned or have ill will towards him.
look, i have no skin in the game. i don't really care where he goes. but everyone that knows Downey well says he has a good heart, but real issues. i want to see him have another opportunity and to straighten things out. if i'm 'conned' it is perhaps that i hold out hope that he can, and i'm ok with that.
Just a thought.
I have told more than one, two or a few the most important thing I ever got out of wrestling was the instinct, the need to respond to getting knocked down by always getting back up and going again. Always.
PD3 has been a self-destructive clown and chances are he will self-destruct several more times before he figures it out. Generally speaking the kid does not get knocked down, he trips himself. But he keeps getting back up ready to go again.
If the Brands boys believe they can help the kid and the kid can help their program - well then best of luck to them.
If the kid falters, not necessarily a surprise, then oh well.
For the Hawk fans who believe that since they looked down their noses at Cael Sanderson for giving Andrew Long another chance they can not support the idea of Iowa, Tom and Terry giving this kid another chance. You were wrong about Cael and Long, so do not be wrong again. If the kid shows up wearing black and gold cheer your asses off for him and hope this is his lightbulb moment.
Just my opinion.
I have told more than one, two or a few the most important thing I ever got out of wrestling was the instinct, the need to respond to getting knocked down by always getting back up and going again. Always.
PD3 has been a self-destructive clown and chances are he will self-destruct several more times before he figures it out. Generally speaking the kid does not get knocked down, he trips himself. But he keeps getting back up ready to go again.
If the Brands boys believe they can help the kid and the kid can help their program - well then best of luck to them.
If the kid falters, not necessarily a surprise, then oh well.
For the Hawk fans who believe that since they looked down their noses at Cael Sanderson for giving Andrew Long another chance they can not support the idea of Iowa, Tom and Terry giving this kid another chance. You were wrong about Cael and Long, so do not be wrong again. If the kid shows up wearing black and gold cheer your asses off for him and hope this is his lightbulb moment.
Just my opinion.
No. It's not petty. It's not childish. Also, I am not strong-arming the coaches. That is literally impossible. I'm not sure if you've met TNT, but our opinions have no bearing on their decision making. I'm making a point. I'm making a point based on the words of both Tom and Terry Brands - the heads, the stewards of our program. Based on their public intimations to the fact that they are looking for a certain type of wrestler. Based on their public intimations that those certain type of wrestlers are what will lead us to a championship. Based on the public intimations by top end recruits that we almost lost them because previous teammates lived a lifestyle too similar to PD3. I'm holding them accountable to their words.
I'm holding myself accountable to the type of person I claim to be and the values I espouse. God, I know sound self-righteous right now, but that's not what I'm trying to be. We've all made mistakes, we will all make many more mistakes. However, when you combine PD3's history with his current life (still drinking every day) he could not be more of what I do not want to see out of a man in my own life, an athlete that I coach, nor in that of a program I've loved since I knew this sport existed.
nebraska and manning are still sympathetic to Downey. just because he couldn't/didn't figure it out when he was there, doesn't mean they were conned or have ill will towards him.
look, i have no skin in the game. i don't really care where he goes. but everyone that knows Downey well says he has a good heart, but real issues. i want to see him have another opportunity and to straighten things out. if i'm 'conned' it is perhaps that i hold out hope that he can, and i'm ok with that.
Willie, here's the problem. Downey absolutely deserves our sympathy, in that, he has real issues like you've stated above. But those issues need to actually be dealt with. Wrestling is not going to be his cure, because if it were, he would have exorcised these demons many years ago. And you know what's even worse? He's not even trying to deal with issues, because he doesn't believe they are issues. In his current, every day life, in the right now - he drinks daily. He doesn't need another opportunity to 'straighten things out' - he doesn't want to be straightened out. And with that in mind, I absolutely do not want him to be a part of this team. He will embarrass the program, and even if he doesn't, he hasn't shown any remorse that would leave me to believe he is worth the risk of even trying it.
I love the group of people who didn't want Downey, now reasoning it out to blindly trusting Coach Brands. I respect the people who didn't want him and still don't want him. I actually want him, especially if he goes 184 and can beat Bo Nickal. Plus, a good training partner for Warner.
I do think it is a big risk, and do find it strange that even though there have been many times in the past several years where a really good transfer would help us seemingly contend for a title, and no moves were made. Heck, we kicked Seth Gross off the team for one drunken night of crime. He would have really helped us last year and this year. Now, in a year in which we have almost no chance of winning a title, we take a risk on a kid (actually, as stated by other posters, he is no kid). Just a strange move after years of inaction in weights we knew were going to be holes.
Anyway, I know our team and all wrestlers are no choirboys (except for Penn State), but my hatred of the fun loving program out east far outweighs my concern for any stupid stuff PD3 does. As long as he doesn't commit crimes, I don't care. Drink alcohol? Don't care. Post Videos? Don't care. Smoke Weed? Don't care. But, he has to live up to his end of the bargain and beat his PSU counterpart whatever weight that is.
I do think it is a big risk, and do find it strange that even though there have been many times in the past several years where a really good transfer would help us seemingly contend for a title, and no moves were made. Heck, we kicked Seth Gross off the team for one drunken night of crime. He would have really helped us last year and this year. Now, in a year in which we have almost no chance of winning a title, we take a risk on a kid (actually, as stated by other posters, he is no kid). Just a strange move after years of inaction in weights we knew were going to be holes.
Anyway, I know our team and all wrestlers are no choirboys (except for Penn State), but my hatred of the fun loving program out east far outweighs my concern for any stupid stuff PD3 does. As long as he doesn't commit crimes, I don't care. Drink alcohol? Don't care. Post Videos? Don't care. Smoke Weed? Don't care. But, he has to live up to his end of the bargain and beat his PSU counterpart whatever weight that is.
I want to be on record for always wanting him and still wanting him. I love "character" guys who can wrestle that are surrounded by good influences. While it doesn't always work it has worked out well for Iowa and many of the individuals in the past. With that said, keep David Taylor far far away from the University of Iowa and the HWC that guy is too far gone.
FairWeatherHawk, You are full of it. Your crying is pathetic. Quit being a B***H!
Good one. These guys just can't get away from the mirror.
BTW, I thought Carly's best work was the Ketchup Song.
There is a new person in the room that has some influence. I don't want to give it away, but his initials are MP.
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