Hidlay
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Isn't Sans a UNI guy now? So, of course he's taking UNI down.
I was told a few things and thought I would share that. I honestly would be shocked if they got both brothers but I still like our chances with Trent.
I know how hard Ryan and the staff are trying to get the Elite kids in Iowa City. I know they are as frustrated as we are. It's not about tradition, who has the biggest crowds, the best fans it's about money. As long as we continue to follow the rules and others don't we will suffer for it.
I know how hard Ryan and the staff are trying to get the Elite kids in Iowa City. I know they are as frustrated as we are. It's not about tradition, who has the biggest crowds, the best fans it's about money. As long as we continue to follow the rules and others don't we will suffer for it.
Always appreciate the info, whether it comes to fruition or not. Good for discussion!
Ryan was off to NC for Super 32. Saw him in the parking lot.
Sad but true. Still confident, though, that we’ll reach the top of the mountain doing it the right way. Our guys refuse to compromise their principles, and I respect the heck out of that. We’ll get there, and it will be all the sweeter knowing we did it fair and square.
Had to chuckle about the comment that “it’s about money”. Some fans would have you believe money’s hardly a factor at all.
As much as that's great to hear, I wish we were hearing this about Tom and Terry instead or at least in addition to Ryan.
I get your point but we are in season. They need to be in the room sharpening the tools we have.
I agree with this and know what you mean. I'm glad Cael is doing things the right way and refuses to compromise principles.
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So, are you guys suggesting that if Hidlay chooses NC State, it's because the Hawkeye program refused to compromise its principles and cheat to get him? Is that why it didn't get Silva (Michigan)? Or Thomsen (Nebraska)? Rocky Jordan or Sammy Sasso (tOSU)? Gable Steveson (Minnesota)? Other guys posters here were interested in?
Those are rhetorical questions. But I'm just pointing out that the Hawkeyes aren't missing on recruits this year just because PSU is loading up for its next cycle. You might be losing out on other high-quality guys for completely unrelated reasons. And you had a strong class last year. And PSU isn't the only team finishing ahead of you at NCAAs on a regular basis. Are Tom Ryan and John Smith cheating?
Going back to this comment:
I may have FIFY.
I think it would be more than beneficial if CP stepped up and speak truthfully to what he said two weeks ago on FRL - “many wrestling programs cheat.”
PSU fan - it’s not just the Hawks that are saying “something” is up...the number one wrestling media source is saying something....
PSU fan - it’s not just the Hawks that are saying “something” is up...the number one wrestling media source is saying something....
The 2 things (recruiting and coaching) are not mutually exclusive.
To me it isn't that Brands is saying he is losing any particular recruit because the other team cheats that got him. They may be but I think he is speaking to our fans expectations. Letting them know we can't just go out and try to sign every guy in the country every year like some other teams seem to be able to do. Some years they do not have a lot of money to work with. In a year like that they choose to be very selective. And on a year like last year when they had some ammo they can make things happen. Generally you can look at the graduating class and figure out the type of recruiting class you can put together. We have just Sorenson graduating so we don't have a lot of money coming open. Brands, Cass and Hidlay would seem like a great class working with that. Some schools have seemed to blow this recruiting model out of the water. Zain and McCuthen graduating must be freeing up 5-7 scholarships.
Zain took up two scholarships...one for him, and one for his collection of watermelons.
Do the math. Where there is smoke there is fire. If you choose to believe that recruits are simply taking no or little money (multiple), then you’re naive. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, just a realist with a little bit of info.
We have one guy that has significant money graduating. So...we got Cassioppi and can maybe can get somebody else. You guys are losing Zain and Cutch which I’m sure adds up to only .25. Therefore, you could spend .75 on the 6 or 7 guys you have coming in because we know that they all will be glad to take approximately 10% each.
Exactly. But, in defense of the P$U fan base, they are numb to this kind of sh*t. The Penn State athletic department and its sugar daddies are actually worse than Ohio State and Alabama.
The Penn State hockey program in just a few years went from club status to top 5 D1 thanks to a $100 million dollar gift. This is how they operate. Personally I wouldn't mind all this if only the PSU fan base behaved like Stanford and just enjoyed the ride. However, the Penn State fan base has "born on third, I hit a triple" syndrome.
typically, but not always. Personally I believe there is something extra going on but until someone can prove it....
Really funny posted on a rivals board and has all likes from his board not the smartest but what in heck did he expect....
Do you believe something is also going on at Ohio St also or just Penn St? I have a feeling after they win it all this year that will be the next conspiracy theory.
Who’s going to prove it? The NCAA? The same NCAA who the FBI has to step on to expose the basketball programs? What’s the incentive to narc? These are not questions I’d take lightly. That’s why I believe the choice is to continue to do it by the book and take solice in running a “clean” program. Sometimes it’s not just the exposure, it’s the downstream ramifications (wrestling community, NCAA, friends, colleagues, etc.). Like I said, just do the math and move forward.
You need more Roy Carvers. Nothing wrong with alums who want to spend their money that way. Pegula did nothing wrong.
I was criticizing some of your fan base, not the donors.
I want facts, dammit. Not hearsay. Not rumors. Not "I have info but I'm not saying what it is". Facts. Back it up. Is that too much to ask??
Nope not too much to ask. Hopefully CP and Flo put on their journalistic hat.
Then you're going to be disappointed. The only way you'll get facts is if the whole program goes down in flames. Even then you won't believe the truth.
I would not doubt FOSU dabbling as well. Although likely in response to PSU and on a lesser scale. Okie state got busted before and I don't see Smith going there. He has integrity.
I can dig what you're saying. It's tough to accept the truth. Kinda like you guys refusing to believe that Iowa is just simply getting beat in the recruiting game. Blame it all on the other programs cheating.... it helps you sleep at night.
Then you haven't been paying attention (or you're being purposely obtuse). We readily agree we're getting beat in recruiting (level playing field or not); that's been the whole discussion about recruiting vs coaching. Both are important and essential to success.
Let's hypothetically say for a moment that redshirting freshmen aren't taking much of the 9.9 @ PSU . . . so, looking at the rest of the roster, who is likely to be getting significant pieces of that pie this year? Conservatively . . .
Top $ (but < full ride)
Retherford
Nolf
Joseph
Hall
Nickal
McCutcheon
N. Nevills
A Dash or Sprinkle
Keener?
Cortez
N. Lee
Rasheed
Cassar
• 7 guys in first group -- let's say they average 0.75 schollies per. [7 x .75 = 5.25]
• 5 guys in second group -- let's say they average 0.4 schollies per. [5 x 0.4 = 2]
That totals ~7.25 schollies, and so there is wiggle room to bump up my estimates for some guys, or add some redshirting studs (Berge, Manville) to the mix. But wait, Manville is ROTC, so probably not taking much, if anything.
So, when Retherford, McCutcheon, and Keener graduate after this season, there is $$ freed up to give guys like Berge, Cassar, and either Cortez or N. Lee a bump up, plus give whatever the presumably low "redshirt base" is to Teasdale, RBY, Verkleeren, J. Lee, Wittlake, Beard, and Nevills next year. Teske probably takes a meaningful chunk starting as a true freshman, though.
That scenario for next year is eye-popping, unless PSU is holding back (reserving) some money this year (Suriano's share?), plans to scale back with some guys next year, or some guys have options outside the 9.9 (e.g., rumors that a guy or two are asking for little to nothing).
So yeah, I agree that next year looks like a financial challenge that will require at least one of the fixes I just noted. But when the 3 Nasties (Nolf, Nickal, Nevills), Cortez, and Rasheed graduae the following year, that frees up substantial $$. Hypothetically, 2019-20 looks like this:
Top $ (but < full ride)
Teske
RBY
Teasdale
N. Lee
Berge
Joseph
Hall
Wittlake
Beard
S. Nevills
A Dash or Sprinkle
Verkleeren
J. Lee
Cassar
That looks tough with 10 guys in the top tier and 3 in the lower tier. But if, say, a guy like Manville (ROTC) fills in while Hall takes a redshirt year, that helps make everything fit a bit better.
Sorry for the length of this, but I actually wanted to try the exercise to see how this might work. Maybe I'm off about the average dollars top vs. middle tier guys get (and assuming bottom tier gets nothing), but if just a guy or two were to take a substantial discount, and redshirting guys get very little, then the math seems feasible. Let's put it this way, it isn't shockingly outrageous. There is a path, especially if guys are making up the difference working successful/popular camps.
The eyebrows need raise only if one presumes all studs command full rides. I'm pretty sure they don't.
Disclaimer: I do not know how much scholly money any of these guys get.
I can correct a cpl of your assumptions; one, Teske is getting everything second, so is RBY. Plus, are you saying if you redshirt you need and get nothing? Redshirt or not there are still the same costs inolved.
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