Highest Finish (Poll)
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I got Kem. Just hope that Kem has bulked up enough and has the strength to not get horsed around by some of the bigger 157s.
Looks like 6 more champions to me.
Me thinks Kemerer. In my opinion he's the most skilled of the bunch and by a fairly large margin.
"Turk is going to surprise some people..."
Heard this last year. I hope it's true, just don't know where it's coming from. This coming from watching in the practice room? If so, please elaborate.
Has a great motor, good on his feet, and an improving mat game. He had a rough start to last year due to injuries, but is a grinder and a goer that goes hard in the room with anyone willing to wrestle him. I don't see him competing for a title, but a lot of people are grouping 141 in with 197 as a huge hole, which isn't going to be the case.
I really like Turk as well. From everything I've heard on here the staff is pleased with how he has been doing things "the right way" within the program. There are guys at his weight that are just plain better than he is, but he's shown a ton of scrap. He's constantly attacking and has shown some good scrambling ability.
Last year he had a glaring weekness which was the inability to consistently get out from under dudes that ride well. I have faith that our staff is well aware of that deficiency and will ride the living sh$t out of him in drill after drill to turn that weekness into a strength.
I think he's going to have an up and down kind of year. One week we'll be singing his praises when he hammers some Iowa St kid, saying he's figured it out, then when he gets hammered by Dean Heil well be down on him again. I'm hoping through taking his lumps he gets hot in March.
This is all assuming he gets the nod over Carton. Perhaps I should have posted this on a Turk thread.
Last year he had a glaring weekness which was the inability to consistently get out from under dudes that ride well. I have faith that our staff is well aware of that deficiency and will ride the living sh$t out of him in drill after drill to turn that weekness into a strength.
I think he's going to have an up and down kind of year. One week we'll be singing his praises when he hammers some Iowa St kid, saying he's figured it out, then when he gets hammered by Dean Heil well be down on him again. I'm hoping through taking his lumps he gets hot in March.
This is all assuming he gets the nod over Carton. Perhaps I should have posted this on a Turk thread.
Also think because the weight has emptied out a bit. Nolf, Smith, Palacio are your top three. If Kemdawg has bulked up a bit, he can roll with any of them but I see the first two in the finals.
I wanted to say Sammy Brooks, but 184 is an absolute meat grinder, so Kemdog it is.
I said Sammy even though I agree with your assessment of 184. I still think he is better than anyone not named Dean and is definitely Top 4 on the Iowa squad. He was so close last season and I think he puts it all together this upcoming season!
I would have thought Kemmerer at first, but then heard rumor of him being beaten by Marinelli already. If that is the case, I'm not so sure anymore.
Before the injury, I'd think Stoll was on track for a top 4 finish this year. But the injury likely hurt his progression in the room.
I think it is still between Stoll and Kemmerer but have to give the nod to Kemmerer. Don't see any way Stoll cracks the top 3, but Kemmerer can beat anyone but Nolf.
Before the injury, I'd think Stoll was on track for a top 4 finish this year. But the injury likely hurt his progression in the room.
I think it is still between Stoll and Kemmerer but have to give the nod to Kemmerer. Don't see any way Stoll cracks the top 3, but Kemmerer can beat anyone but Nolf.
Knee injuries are a major set back for big fellas. The good thing is he can still lift and develop more upper body strength. I pity the first guy that has to wrestle him when he comes back because it won't be a top 4 type of guy.
I went with the Bull. Obviously I'm assuming he goes. If we've got any shot at a title we need Marinelli in the lineup. With Ringer graduated and Bo moving up, Alex should do well. Isaac Jordan v Marinelli is very intriguing as they were HS teammates.
I'm torn regarding the The Bull and the 65 field for the upcoming year.
I want Iowa to win a team title this year more than anything, and starting Marinelli may be the deposit we have to put down to have a legitimate hand in the game. However, I see two potential drawbacks for Marinelli and future Iowa team championship hopes.
1) Marinelli would be a slight undersized 65 pounder going into argueably the toughest weight class in D1. IMar, I Jordan, Joseph, Massa, A Valencia, McFadden, D. Lewis are and will be studs. Most if not all of these guys had a year in redshirt as well. Don't know if throwing him in there with these guys is the best thing to start what will be a great career.
2) We have great talent coming in. Some kid named Spencer and his friends. A redshirt would pair the Bull up with this new stud recruits for that much longer. I know that's not the Iowa way to think like that. It's win now, who cares. But, we need to be a bit more strategic in moving our guys around. psu is pretty good at this.
If Marinelli goes this year he will RS the following year allowing Young/Gunther to be the starter at 65 and Paddock the starter at 74. Following year Bull at 65 and Young/Paddock battle for 74. I agree all those guys are studs, but that doesn't mean Marinelli can't beat them.
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I totally get the redshirt second year plan. That's probably what will happen. I'm just thinking maybe if we start him right away that we get 3 solid high AA years with a NC in there with 1 rd of 12 year career as opposed to 2 high AA years and 2 NC years.
Gotta wonder about a kids phsycie going into a true freshman year.
I don't worry about AM. Brands will sent him to some good opens up until Midlands. Should be a few top 8 guys at his weight there and if he does well he's in, if not RS
Realistically I think it will be Kemerer that surprises us, or Stoll. But out of the guys on that list I'm really pulling for it to be Meyer and/or Brooks! I know they are both in very tough weights (especially Brooks) but both being seniors, it would be a great surprise for both to place in top 5! Top 3 would be great... All that is just wishful thinking and a lot would have to fall in to place for it to happen
I think Marinelli is plenty mental tough enough to go as a tad undersized 165. He is all in on the Brands system, has a strong support system, and strong faith. Not saying anybody needs these to be a mentally tough true freshman, just saying having all of that will probably help him to not burn out or get discouraged if he takes some lumps. 165 will be stacked no doubt, but even if he's say the 8-12th best guy, consistently. Come NCAA tourney time, theres ALWAYS surprises in every bracket it seems. The brackets won't play out like the rankings, they never do. If he stays consistent and perseveres like Myles Martin did last year after taking some lumpings, he could catch fire at NCAAs and have things fall his way to a high AA finish... or more. I.Jordan, IMAR, A.Valencia, Joseph, Lewis, McFadden, Massa, Realbuto, Marinelli are what I would expect to be the top talents at this weight. Am I missing somebody obvious who will be in the mix?
As for the topic of the thread, I voted Kemerer. I have been high on him ever since he committed and I really got to watching a lot of his matches in JR/SR of HS. His leg attacks/re-attacks are excellent and crisp. He has amazing shot defense, and can scramble with the best of them. He can also get out on bottom plus put a ride on people + score backpoints. He might not bonus everybody, but he will get his fair share of bonus, he is always on the attack looking for another opportunity to score. He beat AA's as a True Frosh, he dismantled Geo Martinez early season (8th place finisher @ 149), as well as Anthony Collica at University FS nationals (4th@149). He also has a win over Pierce from ASU. IMar only beat Pierce 2-0 last year, he looks to be a pretty big 157 who tries to slow the pace of all matches down. Other than Pierce geting 4 from that headlock, Kemerer completely outclassed him on their feet in that 5-4 Victory. In folkstyle he will be very good at 157. I think the top 4 at this weight class will be Nolf, Smith, Palacio, and Kemerer. Maybe Murphy can sneak in, but i haven't been super impressed by Murphy, though he is still tough and I think he'll AA in the 5-8 range. But yeah, Kemerer will be good and damn good. I'll eat my Hawkeye snapback and post a video if Kemerer doesn't AA this year.
As for the topic of the thread, I voted Kemerer. I have been high on him ever since he committed and I really got to watching a lot of his matches in JR/SR of HS. His leg attacks/re-attacks are excellent and crisp. He has amazing shot defense, and can scramble with the best of them. He can also get out on bottom plus put a ride on people + score backpoints. He might not bonus everybody, but he will get his fair share of bonus, he is always on the attack looking for another opportunity to score. He beat AA's as a True Frosh, he dismantled Geo Martinez early season (8th place finisher @ 149), as well as Anthony Collica at University FS nationals (4th@149). He also has a win over Pierce from ASU. IMar only beat Pierce 2-0 last year, he looks to be a pretty big 157 who tries to slow the pace of all matches down. Other than Pierce geting 4 from that headlock, Kemerer completely outclassed him on their feet in that 5-4 Victory. In folkstyle he will be very good at 157. I think the top 4 at this weight class will be Nolf, Smith, Palacio, and Kemerer. Maybe Murphy can sneak in, but i haven't been super impressed by Murphy, though he is still tough and I think he'll AA in the 5-8 range. But yeah, Kemerer will be good and damn good. I'll eat my Hawkeye snapback and post a video if Kemerer doesn't AA this year.
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I voted for Kemdog as well. The kid will be a great Hawkeye, and it starts this year.
Two of the bigger question marks are how high Meyer and Brooks can finish, either who is capable of doing some REAL damage, but haven't put it together quite well enough so far at NCAA's. These 2 NEED to step up for us big time this year, as multi-year Senior starters. If they don't do well, we have no shot, IMO. Time to put it together boys.
Turk beat Gross but was TF'd by Ashnault. It really depends on how much he progressed over the summer and if he can Carton...who is another decent one.
Also, 165 is a lot tougher (going to be the second worst meat grinder compared to 184). Maybe even worse than 184. As much as I love Marinelli, that is a tough haul for any true freshman to get over if he is undersized. Unless he seriously eats up the competition at Midlands and wins it...redshirt him.
IMar-AA-2X
Isaac Jordon-AA-2X Finalist
Realbuto-AA-Finalist
Massa-RS Fr
Rogers-Rd of 16
Cenzo-RS FR
Lewis-AA
Roshkopf
McFadden-AA
Walsh-AA
Wilson-AA
Edit: A. Valencia-RSFR
Also, 165 is a lot tougher (going to be the second worst meat grinder compared to 184). Maybe even worse than 184. As much as I love Marinelli, that is a tough haul for any true freshman to get over if he is undersized. Unless he seriously eats up the competition at Midlands and wins it...redshirt him.
IMar-AA-2X
Isaac Jordon-AA-2X Finalist
Realbuto-AA-Finalist
Massa-RS Fr
Rogers-Rd of 16
Cenzo-RS FR
Lewis-AA
Roshkopf
McFadden-AA
Walsh-AA
Wilson-AA
Edit: A. Valencia-RSFR
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Good list.
I forgot about Rogers. I know the OSU fans are pretty high on him for some reason. He was 74 last year, right?
Yes...Heck, I almost forgot about Valencia. I guess my point is this...I want points from Marinelli but I also want what's best for him. A year of lifting, growing etc would put him in an optimal position against these guys. Would rather have a top 4 Alex in his RS FR year than a Rd of 16 Alex. Speaking of Rogers, he jumped in at a higher weight when Crutchmer got hurt and beat some decent guys. So much we don't know yet.
Who knows how much effort was truly being given during practice but assuming they are, in fact, in there in an attempt to become better wrestlers and giving all they've got, the rumor is true. I would go as far as to say Marinelli was having his way w/ Kem. It was awesome.
He was very electric and dangerous as an undersized 174lber making the R12. Obviously, he wasn't the starter at 165 being stuck behind a 3X NCAA Champ. He has a strong pedigree and has a puncher's chance with anyone at the weight. I see him somewhere between 5-8 at 165.
A little over the top there Art, talking bout Turk and Holloway's moms and how they represent pole.Good to see Turk and Holloway's moms are representing in the poll!
Yep. Okie Sts got themselves a very solid lineup. Lots of depth. Only hole I see is at Hwt. A little weak at 197. But other than that they could easily have 8 AAs.
125- Nick Piccinnini
133- Kaid Brock
141- Dean Heil
149- Anthony Collica/Geordan Martinez
157- Jo Jo Smith
165- Chandler Rogers
174- Jordan Rogers /Kyle Crutchmer
184- Nolan Boyd
197- Dan Schaefer/ Preston Weigel
Hwt- Little Marsden/ Andrews
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