First of all, I specified that I started with the 2005 class and why. I also specified that I tried to keep it to guys who had been on a gameday roster during that time.
You are free to post your own research.
How bad does Iowa make Rivals look?
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First of all, I specified that I started with the 2005 class and why. I also specified that I tried to keep it to guys who had been on a gameday roster during that time.
You are free to post your own research.
It also doesn’t count great Hawkeyes like Robinson, Hinkel, Brodell, Solomon as I mentioned, Greenwood, Gervase, Canzeri, Wadley, Easley, etc...
Per the Rivals commitment lists by year, here are the two star players who made a gameday roster for an NFL team between the 2005 and 2016 classes.
2006-Karl Klug, Amari Spievey
2007-Allen Reisner, Mike Daniels, Adam Gettis
2009-Micah Hyde
2010-Anthony Hitchens
2013-Josey Jewell
2014-Josh Jackson, Ben Niemann
So, I was mistaken. Ten, not eleven Two stars in the 12-year span I researched. I chose that span because that encompasses all the players currently in the league and those who have played during that window. I had no intention of researching every Hawkeye to ever play on the League.
You are 100% dead on with your assessment of fives versus fours and so on and so on...
And I don’t think anybody that shares my position would ever argue the percentages with you. But I don’t know any other way to explain it so I’ll try it this way...
If you have a generic service that buys cars for your dealership or merchandise for your retail outlet however you wanna look at it. Some of them will be pretty good at it some of them will be OK at it and some of them won’t be very good at it and they will have territories or specialties....
If you have your own in-house buyers for merchandise and they are really really really good at what they do that is when you have Iowa and Wisconsin....
There are more than “some” outliers, there are hundreds of them and Iowa has excelled over and over and over at finding them… As I have said if they sign 10+2 stars they are likely to be in trouble. But when they’re signing four and five routinely those kids end up being very good at least two of them often times three of them and maybe more...that’s as good a percentage as four stars are panning out elsewhere.
Iowa has a very good system except as we have all lamented wide receiver and yes sometimes they have holes. But so do the routine top 25 recruiting teams that’s why they’re not beating Alabama Ohio State or Clemson.
Not one of those guys made or has made an NFL gameday roster. Bradley Fletcher was class of 2004.
I’m not sure why you’re arguing with me. I’ve been down this road 100+ times. I get where you’re coming from but there are way more than that so it was inaccurate.
Right off the bat where is Godfrey he played in the league for six or seven years.
And Brandon Meyers he caught 14 passes in a game for Oakland one year setting the Raiders record for tight ends
Godfrey was class of 2004-same as Fletcher. I was clear about why I chose the years I did and I think twelve years are adequate to present a fair picture. Rivals only started rating players in 2002. It would be fair to assume they have gotten better at it in the years since. I posted my list-post your list of players who have made a 53-man roster.
Don’t need to as I said I’ve ran this down 100 times I know how many two stars they put me NFL Rob Brugemann and Matt Tobinn are two more walk on’s that played in the NFL.
Your list didn’t include two people I know for certain played in the NFL for quite a while.
Sigh.
Myers was class of 04. See comment about Rivals getting better at their rating system in later years. In the first six years of my span, they put seven Two sta
It doesn't include Casey Kreiter-he is a former walk-on who is indeed on a roster. Bruggeman was also a walk-on in the 05 class so we can bump that to 12. I can't find a Rivals profile for him so I will assume he was a two star. He didn't show in the commitment list because he was a walk-on.
From 2005-2010, seven guys on that list made rosters. From 2011-2016, only three did. Why the change? It could be two things-Rivals may have improved their act or Iowa may have improved their recruiting. It is actually a little of both. Iowa signed 48 two stars from 05-10; only 32 from 11-16. If Two stars are the preferred vessel for NFL futures, why are they signing less of them?
I actually have forgotten a lot of them below I’m going to a link an article by Blair Sanderson from I think last year...
Things of note we were accrued a lot less 2 - stars than we used to and part of that I honestly believe is because rivals has started giving some of these guys the Iowa bump, kids that we initially committed as two stars that later become threes… Like Desmond king, like Stanley, like Young, like Hockenson, like Kittle....
And we still have them hitting the depth chart pretty early to this day....
https://iowa.rivals.com/news/top-two-star-recruits-of-the-ferentz-era
Things of note we were accrued a lot less 2 - stars than we used to and part of that I honestly believe is because rivals has started giving some of these guys the Iowa bump, kids that we initially committed as two stars that later become threes… Like Desmond king, like Stanley, like Young, like Hockenson, like Kittle....
And we still have them hitting the depth chart pretty early to this day....
https://iowa.rivals.com/news/top-two-star-recruits-of-the-ferentz-era
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You probably better read everything I’ve written in here and then get back with me on the 2-star thought. I’ve referenced my feelings on it multiple times.
Incidentally “sigh” is an attempt at condescension. It’s not working but that’s what it is....just sayin’
There was no one in Blair's article I didn't mention. Again, list the guys from 05-16 I missed that made 53 man rosters. I'll be here all week.
Are you not understanding I’m not at all concerned with when they played? Nor that your list skipped Brandon Meyers or that we continue to sign high end 2-stars yearly...
We have put in 3 - 2-stars & 2-low end 3-stars in just the last two drafts.
I think the thing I’m enjoying the most about this diatribe is from time to time I have people accuse me of arrogance and condescension and they are woefully unaware of how they act themselves… It’s been pretty clear in this thread as you toss in “I’ll be here all week”… LOL
See the difference between you and me I don’t get offended by that stuff, it doesn’t bother me. I know you’re trying to be catty and in all honesty I haven’t said anything that’s inaccurate and I haven’t said anything you can refute...my position has always been the same.
Nor do I care when these kids played. All I know is Iowa has put in 30+ walk on’s & two stars in the NFL since Kirk got there and they are still doing it to this day and they will continue to do so.
It is never going away.... they will have multiple high-end two star performers on the roster this year again.
Why.....Because rivals ranked them wrong and Iowa knew it. That’s always been my point, Iowa is better at finding talent than rivals is at ranking it.
You keep eluding the facts that I posted. You have listed at least a dozen guys who played before the period I listed-not in one post but in multiple posts which tells me you either didn't pay attention to the parameters I listed or are trying to be intentionally disingenuous. It isn't condescension. It is frustration. I made an honest post based on information from this very website. I went to considerable pains to determine which players actually made an active NFL roster. You have done none of that. All you have done is patch together fragmented lists of guys who at some point were on a practice roster. It was totally unnecessary on your part. I wasn't flaming the coaching staff. I believe they have improved recruiting significantly. This is just another example of you wanting everyone to kneel at your throne of endless knowledge when in fact you don't know what the hell you are talking about. I have done my work on this. The evidence is what it is. More stars has been and still is a valid statistical predictor of making the NFL. THAT is wha this thread was about-not insulting or defending Iowa's efforts over the years.
Well it isn't a coincidence you have as few likes as you do. You talk down to people all the time. I didn't seek you out in this thread. Someone made a claim I believed to be incorrect. I did about three hours worth of research to get an accurate picture and posted what I found from Rivals own records, cross-referencing to see which guys ever made a 53-man roster, You came along and told me and a person who responded to me that it was inaccurate. It wasn't except for Myers and that was because he didn't appear in the database because he walked on. Everyone else you listed was either before the time period I listed or never made a gameday roster. My data stands. I am done with this.
I agree with you.
But the post was about Rivals or other recruiting services changing the way they rate high school players because Iowa turns some 2* ad 3 guys into NFL players - I don't think they will, and that was the point I was trying to make.
I was not suggesting that stars don't matter - I think they DO matter. It's just not the only thing that matters.
And in REALville, yes Iowa does and they have been for quite some time.
Nice work, cmhawk99
GO HAWKS !!
I didn’t know that. I like their offense though. If they can just be decent on defense, they will be tough.
Wow, you did 3 hours of work...get a life
And it took you how many days of perusing an ancient thread to find that? Pot meet kettle
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