How bout now?

[HawkBall23]

Still wanna keep him?

I won't say Fran HAS to go, nor would I advocate for it ........

but I've reached the point that I wouldn't mind it too much if he did.


I just haven't seen anything - yet - to prove that last year's BTT run isn't the best we're ever gonna get with this 'more than 90% offense-less than 10% defense (except for some pressing)' system.

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

Fran is doing just as well as Tom Davis. Just as well as historically the program has done or better...

Complete and utter bullsh*t and you know it.

This looks to be the 24th straight year without a Sweet 16. That is BY FAR the longest such stretch since Iowa's 1950's Final Four teams.

Fran has coached BY FAR the most seasons without taking Iowa to a Sweet 16 (Fran 13, Alford 8, Scheuerman 6). Why has Fran gotten such a longer opportunity to break through than everyone else?

Just as well as Tom Davis? LMFAO. At least try to be serious. Davis never lost a 1st round NCAA game, coached in 3 Sweet 16s, and while he had a few tough losses, was never embarrassed in the BTT or the NCAA's.

GMAFB.

 

[HawkBall23]

For those "I love Fran's style of play" people .....

You can play effective defense while still having a good offense. That is possible.


His teams could also stand to be a little - no, a lot! - more tougher, both physically and mentally. Especially in the 'rough & tumble' conference that is the B1G.

 

[RoundRock620]

Get too happy with themselves after any kind of success. Just lack consistency & the killer instinct. Kind of a thing with Fran teams.

And lack of talent. Apart from Chris, the rest are mid major talent at best.

 

[Franisdaman]

12 BTT Fran has coached in. Eliminated by a double digit seed 5x.

how'd Fran do last year?

One thing consistent on this forum is how the goal post continually gets moved when it comes to defining success and failure.

If you wanted to take a more positive look, you could have said that over the previous 12 seasons, just six schools won the B1G Tournament Championship and that Iowa is one of those 6 schools.

Iowa
Ohio State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Michigan
Illinois

 

[BurgHawk87]

Im sure guys will be lining up to take this job lol

If it was offered to me absolutely

 

[CookyMonster]

Complete and utter bullsh*t and you know it.

This looks to be the 24th straight year without a Sweet 16. That is BY FAR the longest such stretch since Iowa's 1950's Final Four teams.

Fran has coached BY FAR the most seasons without taking Iowa to a Sweet 16 (Fran 13, Alford 8, Scheuerman 6). Why has Fran gotten such a longer opportunity to break through than everyone else?

Just as well as Tom Davis? LMFAO. At least try to be serious. Davis never lost a 1st round NCAA game, coached in 3 Sweet 16s, and while he had a few tough losses, was never embarrassed in the BTT or the NCAA's.

GMAFB.

The nebraska fans continue. We did it the 90s guyz!

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

The nebraska fans continue. We did it the 90s guyz!

Yeah, Nebraska football national championship and Iowa basketball Sweet 16 is about the same thing.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[CookyMonster]

Yeah, Nebraska football national championship and Iowa basketball Sweet 16 is about the same thing.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Same mindset. And i cant believe were going back to the tom davis tenure and advocating for a sucessful coach to be outed. Fun times.

 

[Rustys Dad]

Who is your replacement? We will never be elite.

Well… I’m guessing there might be a few young coaches out there happy to make more than $3 million … To stay with Fran “just because” is not a reason to keep him. We are in the Big 10; are on TV …. Iowa would be attractive to a lot of people. This same song and dance after 13 seasons is enough.

 

[CookyMonster]

Well… I’m guessing there might be a few young coaches out there happy to make more than $3 million … To stay with Fran “just because” is not a reason to keep him. We are in the Big 10; are on TV …. Iowa would be attractive to a lot of people. This same song and dance after 13 seasons is enough.

Just because? Fran's plight would not go unnoticed. Iowa doesnt fire coaches after 5 straight tourney apperances. Big roll of the dice. How about the last 2 roll of the dies before Fran? You ever read gopherhole bball board this year?

 

[Slim45]

You do realize we rarely go deep in the shot clock so there are many more possessions for the opponents. Would you rather watch Iowa basketball take the Iowa football philosophy? I actually like watching Iowa play. Too bad you don’t! lol

Yeah the either or argument is just complete bullshit. There’s absolutely no reason they can’t be at least competent on the defensive end. I enjoy watching iowa play, i would just enjoy it a lot more if they’d make a freaking tournament run more than once every other decade. I just don’t even get worked up anymore, it’s just so predictable how the games play out i actually laugh a lot of the time.

 

[Rustys Dad]

Just because? Fran's plight would not go unnoticed. Iowa doesnt fire coaches after 5 straight tourney apperances. Big roll of the dice. How about the last 2 roll of the dies before Fran? You ever read gopherhole bball board this year?

Fran has won 51% of his Big 10 games. Has never made the Sweet 16 … If you are satisfied with just making the tourney and a first round exit and never reaching the Sweet 16 and you think no other coach could come to Iowa and advance the program …. Then … Fran is your man.

 

[CookyMonster]

Fran has won 51% of his Big 10 games. Has never made the Sweet 16 … If you are satisfied with just making the tourney and a first round exit and never reaching the Sweet 16 and you think no other coach could come to Iowa and advance the program …. Then … Fran is your man.

Nothing is set in stone. Id pry gamble on Fran for the next 5 years vs the unknown.

 

[Rustys Dad]

Just because? Fran's plight would not go unnoticed. Iowa doesnt fire coaches after 5 straight tourney apperances. Big roll of the dice. How about the last 2 roll of the dies before Fran? You ever read gopherhole bball board this year?

And… let’s stop with the ‘careful what ya wish for’ mindset. On the flip side… Iowa could find a proven coach who comes in and does make runs in the tourney and does win more than 51% of conference games. Keeping Fran because of the Alford/Lick eras is NOT a reason to keep Fran…. That was a long time ago… This is now!

 

[CookyMonster]

And… let’s stop with the ‘careful what ya wish for’ mindset. On the flip side… Iowa could find a proven coach who comes in and does make runs in the tourney and does win more than 51% of conference games. Keeping Fran because of the Alford/Lick eras is NOT a reason to keep Fran…. That was a long time ago… This is now!

I am! I said id take Fran for another 5 years than the unknown! Youd rather us sputter around with an archie miller type and set us back even further!

 

[coorsoriginal02]

Nothing is set in stone. Id pry gamble on Fran for the next 5 years vs the unknown.

Why not make it 10, shit let’s sign him on for another 15.

It you’re not ready to try something new after year 13, why would you be after year 18?

 

[markfromj]

100 games? We’re judging over 13 freaking years! So ya, he’s not exactly being judged based off 1 game.

But I’m trying to illustrate how these “still want him” threads are emotion-driven right after losses, and not driven by thoughtful analysis.

No, the “Fran gone” crowd is not deciding this after just one game, but they are spouting off about it after each loss, never after a win. This dilutes the argument.

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

Same mindset. And i cant believe were going back to the tom davis tenure and advocating for a sucessful coach to be outed. Fun times.

JFC. Iowa basketball fans expecting a Sweet 16 in the 21st century is not the "same mindset" as Nebraska football fans expecting a national championship in 2023. Stop being stupid.

I was responding to another poster regarding Tom Davis. I didn't bring him up.

"Successful coach" is a matter of opinion. 13 years with no Sweet 16, nowhere close to a conference championship and one postseason embarrassment after another isn't "successful" by my definition, not to mention his sideline antics. I couldn't care less about the upper division finishes and NCAA Tourney appearances that resulted in early exits; just like that's not how I measure success at other programs. You would have a hard time finding another coach with 13+ years at one school with no Sweet 16 appearances when that school had a Sweet 16 appearance <13 years before his arrival. I'm pretty sure Fran is alone in that club. In fact, 7 out of the 9 major conference coaches with longer tenures than Fran have taken their teams to the Final Four at least once, and the other 2 have been to multiple Sweet 16s.

So stop acting like Fran is being treated unfairly and that Iowa fans are expecting too much from a 13th year B1G basketball coach. It's pretty clear that he's done very little to show he belongs near the level of his peers.

 

[NI hawk]

If Fran comes back fine, if he leaves I am also fine with that. I am not happy about only one good BTT run
Amazing Iowa can lose to a double digit seed so often in BTT. 1-6 against the 11,12, and 13th place teams in big ten this season is concerning

 

[amahawk]

Georgetown has an opening. An opening for an east coast kind of guy.

 

[CookyMonster]

JFC. Iowa basketball fans expecting a Sweet 16 in the 21st century is not the "same mindset" as Nebraska football fans expecting a national championship in 2023. Stop being stupid.

I was responding to another poster regarding Tom Davis. I didn't bring him up.

"Successful coach" is a matter of opinion. 13 years with no Sweet 16, nowhere close to a conference championship and one postseason embarrassment after another isn't "successful" by my definition, not to mention his sideline antics. I couldn't care less about the upper division finishes and NCAA Tourney appearances that resulted in early exits; just like that's not how I measure success at other programs. You would have a hard time finding another coach with 13+ years at one school with no Sweet 16 appearances when that school had a Sweet 16 appearance <13 years before his arrival. I'm pretty sure Fran is alone in that club. In fact, 7 out of the 9 major conference coaches with longer tenures than Fran have taken their teams to the Final Four at least once, and the other 2 have been to multiple Sweet 16s.

So stop acting like Fran is being treated unfairly and that Iowa fans are expecting too much from a 13th year B1G basketball coach. It's pretty clear that he's done very little to show he belongs near the level of his peers.

For fvck sake we were a bucket away. We can get to that point again with Fran.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Like winning the big ten tournament just last year?

By stretches, I meant a period of years, not days. Several seasons of elite basketball. It hasn't occurred in the 45 years that I have been watching Iowa BB.

 

[DewHawk]

Georgetown has an opening. An opening for an east coast kind of guy.

yeah McCaffery would be a great fit to rebuild Georgetown. Only half kidding after I think about it.

 

[Steamboat529529]

I think Tony has become Iowa’s best guard in a decade. Kris is a first round nba guy. Rebraca is a stud. And Sandfort is a great sixth man. We are just missing some guard help. But we always need guard help. 🤦‍♂️

 

[coorsoriginal02]

67 different programs have advanced to the Sweet 16 since Fran took over at Iowa. 67.

This includes programs like VA Tech, Nevada, St. Peter’s, San Diego State, Dayton, BYU, VCU, thee Ohio F’ing Bobcats…the other universities in Iowa, Oregon F’ing State

The fact that we cannot put it together for just two consecutive games in the tourney over the course of this many seasons is just ridiculous.

 

[longliveCS40]

So, you do not think Iowa can be any better?

Only if we hit on an up and coming coach. It'll take a lot of luck. History has shown we are at our ceiling as a program and that hiring new coaches is a crapshoot. We're 1 for 3 on hires since Tom Davis if you consider Fran a success. 0 for 3 if you do not.

Yet people still think we'll somehow get this knight in shining armor to come in and take us to the Final Four. I just don't see it. Especially with Gary Barta as the one that will be doing the hiring. I don't trust him a bit.

 

[longliveCS40]

Complete and utter bullsh*t and you know it.

This looks to be the 24th straight year without a Sweet 16. That is BY FAR the longest such stretch since Iowa's 1950's Final Four teams.

Fran has coached BY FAR the most seasons without taking Iowa to a Sweet 16 (Fran 13, Alford 8, Scheuerman 6). Why has Fran gotten such a longer opportunity to break through than everyone else?

Just as well as Tom Davis? LMFAO. At least try to be serious. Davis never lost a 1st round NCAA game, coached in 3 Sweet 16s, and while he had a few tough losses, was never embarrassed in the BTT or the NCAA's.

GMAFB.

Look at their winning percentages and look at what each coach inherited when they got here. Who gives a flying **** about a sweet 16? Seriously. I don't understand why that's such a measuring stick for some of you.

Give me a Big Ten title over a Sweet 16 run. The former is about prolonged success throughout the season. The latter is about getting good matchups and a little luck at the right time of the year.

Now, I'll absolutely give you that the Richmond debacle last year was completely unacceptable. That's the type of good matchup you're looking for and they pissed it down their leg. There was the sweet 16 run last year easily.

Who do you want them to hire that you think is going to take them to the Sweet 16 and beyond within the next 4 years?

 

[coorsoriginal02]

Look at their winning percentages and look at what each coach inherited when they got here. Who gives a flying **** about a sweet 16? Seriously. I don't understand why that's such a measuring stick for some of you.

Give me a Big Ten title over a Sweet 16 run. The former is about prolonged success throughout the season. The latter is about getting good matchups and a little luck at the right time of the year.

Now, I'll absolutely give you that the Richmond debacle last year was completely unacceptable. That's the type of good matchup you're looking for and they pissed it down their leg. There was the sweet 16 run last year easily.

Who do you want them to hire that you think is going to take them to the Sweet 16 and beyond within the next 4 years?

If Ohio State wins the BTT in a few days, will you praise their “prolonged success throughout the season?”

15-18 record

 

[Chishawk1425]

Still wanna keep him?

 

[uihawk82]

And then you lose the prolific offense. Lickliter's teams played excellent defense. Held teams to like 65 points...then only scored 50 themselves.

Fran is doing just as well as Tom Davis. Just as well as historically the program has done or better...

I totally disagree with losing the really good offense just because you play much better defense. Hell forcing a lot more turnovers and missed shots lead to fast break points and a lot of scoring

Fran is a good coach but I want to see the hawks win a regular season Big 10 title which is tougher to do than the tourney and to see them get to sweet 16s and elite 8s with a chance to make the final four. I just dont think

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

Iowa shot 4-17 from three today. How many of those did Fran miss? Recently, we lost two games in a row where we shot 6-52 from three. Fran didn’t miss two free throws at the end of the game. That was Perkins. Sometimes players lose games. That was the case today. I thought our press gave them fits. We didn’t shoot well from three and made some uncharacteristic turnovers. I didn’t see Fran turn it over either. I racked my brain to think of a coaching decision or decisions that cost us the game. Couldn’t come up with one!

Press gave them fits yet we went away from it

 

[Hans81]

Yeah just funning. I asked last week after the Nebby embarrassment and some roasted me, which is fine. I’ll ask again next week when we lose to whatever 7 seed beats us.

You really think that Iowa falls to a 10 seed?

 

[BigDogHawkFan]

I am very disappointed in our defensive intensity and lack of rebounding. We don’t have many guys who can create a shot on their own. Inconsistent guard play. Inconsistent shooting. We need a major overhaul of our lineup

 

[Hans81]

Problem is that you have to be old as dirt to remember any really good stretches.

I don’t consider myself “old as dirt” and still fondly remember Iowa’s 1980 Final 4 run and those good Lute Olsen teams/seasons. Also, the explosive George Raveling teams, along with Iowa being #1 ranked with players like Marble, Armstrong, Horten, and Lohaus.

 

[BigDogHawkFan]

I think Tony has become Iowa’s best guard in a decade. Kris is a first round nba guy. Rebraca is a stud. And Sandfort is a great sixth man. We are just missing some guard help. But we always need guard help. 🤦‍♂️

Tony might be our best guard in the last decade. That’s why we haven’t been to the sweet sixteen. His defensive today was terrible

 

[longliveCS40]

If Ohio State wins the BTT in a few days, will you praise their “prolonged success throughout the season?”

15-18 record

No? Same thing as the NCAA tourney. The regular season title is what matters.

 

[gojojo]

Hahahaha really? You’re right, it would be very hard to see a coach from a mid major wanting to take the leap to the BIG. Idiot

Especially DeVries. It would be his dream to end up in Iowa City.

We need a guy who can recruit. I'm sick of watching an unathletic group try to win an up and down tempo game. He recruits Bo Ryan players to play Tarkanian style ball...that is never winning in the post season.

Jimmy's and Joe's.

 

[RocknRollface]

Don't underestimate the possibilty of another A10 team beating this team. They need to play against a team of slow, unathletc shooters like a Davidson to win 1st round game.

Actually no, those are the teams Iowa can't beat for some reason.

Don't pretend this team didn't beat isu, Indiana twice, Rutgers twice, Maryland, Illinois, Michigan, msu and osu.

Most of their losses the last two months are to bottom of the barrel garbage teams like Nebraska and Wisconsin.

 

[RocknRollface]

Who is your replacement? We will never be elite.

Devries, that's easy.