I don’t believe that anybody is debating on whether or not these kids broke the law - they did. Not, they were caught by illegal process. And, yes, it would definitely bother me if a child pornographer would be released for the same illegal process. Said subject would be released (I don’t know: would double jeopardy apply?), his family & business already disgraced, and the porno would be walking the streets free…. So, yes, I would be very upset. These young adults were targeted by the state of Iowa’ law enforcement agency and… they blew it!
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How about asking questions of the respective county attorney offices that charged and are overseeing the prosecutions? Elected officials.
Now they'll say that they can't comment on ongoing cases, and rightfully so, but I find it a bit telling that many posters want to skip right over them and instead want to question the governor and AG, both of whom played no role.
I think we all know the answer why...politics.
Do you give Joe Biden the same latitude? Or does your opinion change based on whether they are Republican or Democrat?
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Kim Reynolds is the executive office holder of the state. Which is also an elected position. If the voters want answers she is the person to go to. And she should get to the bottom of this not only for her constituents but also for the rule of law.
But don't go to the elected prosecutors for answers, both democrats, whose offices are prosecuting the cases.
JFC, some of you people are unreal with this stuff.
Yikes. Getting a bit sensitive. I think he is saying that Reynolds should be investigating those prosecutors. Reynolds also needs to further address her prior statements because she showed support for this investigation and the subsequent results w/o asking the simple question of her legal team at the state level "was this done above board".
I think this is getting to the point where the state should conduct an independent investigation of how this investigation was conducted. But given how politically polarized we are, I'm sure whatever that looks like will turn into it's own sh!tshow.
The Governor and AG are not elected officials? These are the folks…..not County Attys., who can get you the answers. As mentioned, they may have NO culpability in this mess at all…..but they can get the media and Iowans the answers to these questions just by the nature of their position. We all hope they have nothing to hide. Right?
What’s the reason for laughter? Medications? It’s a legit question. Kim is the one who gave her unqualified support for the “investigation”…Did she fire before she aimed here?
We don’t know that the media moved on tho - them not asking questions publicly doesn’t mean that at all. But there’s also zero point to asking the same questions if you don’t have new, confirmed informatio to support a renewed public inquiry.
we don’t know if they were doing work behind the scenes or not - if they didn’t, then yes that’s a big fail on their part. But if they’re trying, and it’s just slow-going because they’re getting stonewalled on FOIA requests, can’t find sources, etc. that’s something else.
based on what’s come out this week, they absolutely be going back to Bird and reynolds and pushing back on those statements of support they gave back then; to say nothing of the local DAs and DCI.
Don’t we have sworn testimony via deposition from a DCI agent directly involved in this?
Right, but only the portions of those depositions that the plaintiffs lawyers want us to hear. That's not to say there is more to the story, but there could be.
There’s nothing else there. It went down as dirty as portrayed. The plea agreements had a clause saying they can’t come back and sue the DCI. Why would they need that clause?
According to Bird, this sports gambling investigation was handled by The Department of PUBLIC SAFETY?!? The public was all safe during this entire charade. What kind of a three ring circus is Reynolds running if she is supporting DPS taking on a sports gambling case??
Well, it was handled by DPS.
And by law, the DPS is responsible for gaming cases.
Agreed, why isn't their a Division of Gaming? Every other state who has legalized statewide gaming has such a department.
Also, Bird, at the :56 mark says that we need to "look at what went wrong" as it relates to underage or illegal gaming. How about what went wrong in giving State agents a tool to geofence dorms and athletic facilities without authorization?
Iowa Attorney General wants more safeguards amid student-athlete sports betting scandal
TV9′s Beth Malicki sits down with Iowa Attorney General Bird to discuss her perspective on a plethora of topics
She seemed happy to comment (not on the cases in the county courts, but on the States approach) until things went awry and then it was DPS, which is just pushing it back to a Reynold's appointed department. Buck has to stop somewhere.
An angry DPS spokesman was on the radio this morning and said everything they did was legal. They can setup a geofence without a warrant. Someone is telling stories.
Good 3 minute discussion.
The players should sue the state for all they can (sorry, tax payers).
The players should sue the state for all they can (sorry, tax payers).
how many refused to plead guilty and are still fighting this?
and good for them. i hope they end up with millions.
Yes, the media needs to Watergate them. You get one quote or piece of evidence and put it on page 1 or lead off the news with it. Them maybe more people will start digging for evidence.
This is not like the media fatigue of asking questions of a somewhat disreputable politician who has lied over 10,000 times where it is almost impossible to sift through the lies. It is hard to get answers from someone who always speaks in pronouns. Whereas the DCI and DPS would need to hand over information for discovery to defense lawyers.
A super big question to ask is were some of these athletes, like Isaiah Lee and maybe Brock, who were told what was going on but they were not being investigated, were they read their rights before being questioned.
I am not sure you can not read them their rights, sweet talk them into answering questions, and then arrest them for what they say.
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Some weren’t interviewed at all. DCI showed up at their doors with a warrant, took their phones and left and that was it.
Some weren’t interviewed at all. DCI showed up at their doors with a warrant, took their phones and left and that was it.
But you miss the point of our whole set of legal methods for gathering evidence, arresting people, securing indictments, and getting convictions,
If there is suppose to be a warrant to evesdrop and if there was no warrant then the evidence cannot be used against the defendents. Period, you argument fails.
And, your trying to do an apples and oranges argument with a child porno person is just sensationalizing in this case. Yes, scum like Jeffrey Epstein and others of that ilk can somehow get away with bad stuff for a long time. But it has to be done in a legal manner to arrest them.
Or else, someday some cop would come up to you in a grocery store and just arrest you for shoplifting when you werent and when there was no legal evidence of you doing a crime.
And that is interesting in and of itself because were the warrants you mentioned obtained from illegally obtained evidence. I hate that this is happening but I really want the truth to be told and if it means public investigators and prosecutors etc did something illegal then they need to be punished etc etc.
State law makers are starting to wade into this mess. By the way, state senator Dan Dawson’s
“ regular” job is a DCI agent.
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“ regular” job is a DCI agent.
Iowa lawmaker questions DCI sports wagering investigation for violating privacy
“I have deep concerns about our Iowans' right to privacy," said Senator Janet Petersen.
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Panther...you are a cynical bastard to even think this! Brenna promised Iowans a new active enforcement of the law!
He might be...and it’s just more erosion of rights to privacy...a specialty under Republican administrations and Courts.
Seriously...we ALL need to write an email(s) to our elected state reps and make it clear that there is real concern related to the method(s) used here.State law makers are starting to wade into this mess. By the way, state senator Dan Dawson’s
“ regular” job is a DCI agent.
Iowa lawmaker questions DCI sports wagering investigation for violating privacy
“I have deep concerns about our Iowans' right to privacy," said Senator Janet Petersen.
To your last question, the answer here is “Yes” . and I would go as to say it would still be yes if the search was legal. It is not the job of an employer to be judge, jury and executioner. As an employer the answer (from my world view, not legally, I have no idea about the legality) is you do not take any adverse action unless there is a legally actionable event, i.e. a conviction by jury. If people are being fired for accusations and not convictions then we have lost our way. Would you potentially have to do some damage control, absolutely but does that does mean you should further harm an employees life based on an accusation.
Additionally, highly objectionable does not mean illegal (and that is the lens my response is through). An employer should not be able to (again I know nothing of legality) fire an employee that has behavior (presumably outside of the work life) that the employer objects to. I live in a state with legal recreational marijuana and my employer is headquartered in a state where it is not. If I was fired based in the results of a drug test I would be evaluating all of legal avenues because I could be paid for damages.
These kids were irreparably harmed the moment anything became public. No conviction was needed, the damage was already done. The baseball player probably has a huge case based on where he was projected to where he landed. I am sure a good lawyer good secure some statements that show that organizations did not want to draft him because of the Pete Rose effect.
If the spokesman is correct, we need to change the law/policy AND find better governance.
@NorthernHawkeye Can you imagine if they can just focus in on your house alone and look at all the tranny porn you view everyday?
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That’s part of problem in Noah Shannon case he did nothing illegal. He was of legal age and gambling on different sport. Totally legal. The NCAA should have never received any info about athletes. Nor should any evidence have been shared. If convicted of a crime then NCAA at that point dole out punishment. If Dept of Public Safety staff on campuses were assisting DCI without warrants they need to be penalized also.
To be fair, Noah didn’t break the law but he DID break NCAA rules.
That said, his punishment did not fit the crime.
