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He's not having a year worthy of touting his "9-0 as a starter" record 20 times per game, like announcers do. We are winning as a team, not with superior qb play. Based on Big 10 stats after the Maryland game, CJ is:

6th in passing yards per game
5th in pass efficiency
6th in completion percentage
in a 3 way tie for 6th in td passes
4th in total offense

Granted, CJ is ranked ahead of Rudock on all of these stats, and has been the better qb of the two for the past three years, but his season thus far has been more mediocre than most of us realize because we keep winning with an awesome run game and defense.

Incidentally, Canzeri is still 4th in the conference in rushing despite not really playing in the first game or the last game. That is some serious over achieving.

http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/fb-confldrs.html
 
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iowalaw said:
He's not having a year worthy of touting his "9-0 as a starter" record 20 times per game, like announcers do. We are winning as a team, not with superior qb play. Based on Big 10 stats after the Maryland game, CJ is:

6th in passing yards per game
5th in pass efficiency
6th in completion percentage
in a 3 way tie for 6th in td passes
4th in total offense

Granted, CJ is ranked ahead of Rudock on all of these stats, and has been the better qb of the two for the past three years, but his season thus far has been more mediocre than most of us realize because we keep winning with an awesome run game and defense.

Incidentally, Canzeri is still 4th in the conference in rushing despite not really playing in the first game or the last game. That is some serious over achieving.
CJ is clutch and his leadership is off the charts. I don't care about the stats. He has been huge for us this year!
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iowalaw said:
He's not having a year worthy of touting his "9-0 as a starter" record 20 times per game, like announcers do. We are winning as a team, not with superior qb play. Based on Big 10 stats after the Maryland game, CJ is:

6th in passing yards per game
5th in pass efficiency
6th in completion percentage
in a 3 way tie for 6th in td passes
4th in total offense

Granted, CJ is ranked ahead of Rudock on all of these stats, and has been the better qb of the two for the past three years, but his season thus far has been more mediocre than most of us realize because we keep winning with an awesome run game and defense.

Incidentally, Canzeri is still 4th in the conference in rushing despite not really playing in the first game or the last game. That is some serious over achieving.
CJ is clutch and his leadership is off the charts. I don't care about the stats. He has been huge for us this year!
http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/fb-confldrs.html
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iowalaw said:
He's not having a year worthy of touting his "9-0 as a starter" record 20 times per game, like announcers do. We are winning as a team, not with superior qb play. Based on Big 10 stats after the Maryland game, CJ is:

6th in passing yards per game
5th in pass efficiency
6th in completion percentage
in a 3 way tie for 6th in td passes
4th in total offense

Granted, CJ is ranked ahead of Rudock on all of these stats, and has been the better qb of the two for the past three years, but his season thus far has been more mediocre than most of us realize because we keep winning with an awesome run game and defense.

Incidentally, Canzeri is still 4th in the conference in rushing despite not really playing in the first game or the last game. That is some serious over achieving.

http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/fb-confldrs.html
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I'm going to guess you never played football. Stats don't make you worthy.
 
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iowalaw said:
He's not having a year worthy of touting his "9-0 as a starter" record 20 times per game, like announcers do. We are winning as a team, not with superior qb play. Based on Big 10 stats after the Maryland game, CJ is:

6th in passing yards per game
5th in pass efficiency
6th in completion percentage
in a 3 way tie for 6th in td passes
4th in total offense

Granted, CJ is ranked ahead of Rudock on all of these stats, and has been the better qb of the two for the past three years, but his season thus far has been more mediocre than most of us realize because we keep winning with an awesome run game and defense.

Incidentally, Canzeri is still 4th in the conference in rushing despite not really playing in the first game or the last game. That is some serious over achieving.

http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/fb-confldrs.html
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What none of this shows is his ability to make plays, primarily with his feet, which he's done on many occasions. Nor does it take into account his decision making and other factors of playing QB. If he's healthy, I'd take him over anybody but perhaps Barrett of FOSU. He's not healthy, and that will bite us in the ass shortly I'm afraid, assuming his condition doesn't improve greatly.
 
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Yesterday would have been a good day to get Tyler Wiegers some snaps.....who knows.....maybe he's hurt too?

If Wiegers isn't hurt, then I question why leaving CJB on the field hobbling around without a rest is so important.
 
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Thank god someone speaks the truth......some of these people talking NFL are just crazy! I hope Iowa never loses a game this year but it wont be because of CJ is a NFL caliber QB!
 
iowalaw said:
He's not having a year worthy of touting his "9-0 as a starter" record 20 times per game, like announcers do. We are winning as a team, not with superior qb play. Based on Big 10 stats after the Maryland game, CJ is:

6th in passing yards per game
5th in pass efficiency
6th in completion percentage
in a 3 way tie for 6th in td passes
4th in total offense

Granted, CJ is ranked ahead of Rudock on all of these stats, and has been the better qb of the two for the past three years, but his season thus far has been more mediocre than most of us realize because we keep winning with an awesome run game and defense.

Incidentally, Canzeri is still 4th in the conference in rushing despite not really playing in the first game or the last game. That is some serious over achieving.

http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/fb-confldrs.html
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Where have you been? He has been playing hurt. Not too bad considering.
 
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iowalaw said:
He's not having a year worthy of touting his "9-0 as a starter" record 20 times per game, like announcers do. We are winning as a team, not with superior qb play. Based on Big 10 stats after the Maryland game, CJ is:

6th in passing yards per game
5th in pass efficiency
6th in completion percentage
in a 3 way tie for 6th in td passes
4th in total offense

Granted, CJ is ranked ahead of Rudock on all of these stats, and has been the better qb of the two for the past three years, but his season thus far has been more mediocre than most of us realize because we keep winning with an awesome run game and defense.

Incidentally, Canzeri is still 4th in the conference in rushing despite not really playing in the first game or the last game. That is some serious over achieving.

http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/fb-confldrs.html
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Go back and watch his mobility and throwing motion before he got hurt, than watch the last few games again. He is only playing like 60% out there, limping around with a hop-step like an old man, not shifting his weight properly and using his lower body any more when he throws.

Too bad we didn't still have quitter on the team, could have used an experienced backup to give CJB a couple more weeks to get healed for the home stretch.
 
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Go back and watch his mobility and throwing motion before he got hurt, than watch the last few games again. He is only playing like 60% out there, limping around with a hop-step like an old man, not shifting his weight properly and using his lower body any more when he throws.

Too bad we didn't still have quitter on the team, could have used an experienced backup to give CJB a couple more weeks to get healed for the home stretch.
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I was under the impression that IOWA has a backup quarterback.
 
Are you bothered by the "9-0 as a starter" because you think they're giving him too much individual credit?

Granted he's not single handedly won all the games. However, of the options available to the team, there was no other QB that would have gotten them here.
 
Who gives a flying f about his stats? The dude knows how to win ballgames and that's all that counts. Unlike last year, the running game is clicking because CJ has a dangerous (NFL caliber) arm that opposing teams have to respect. They will also have to respect his legs once he heals up. There's no stat to account for that besides wins and losses and I think he's doing pretty damn well on that front.
 
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Lest we forget, ya gotta have receivers that can get open too. Of the first three downfield throws to VandeBerg two were right on the money, but VB was so closely defended he failed to come up with either. The third in-completion was on CJ. Tough way to make a living.

While his stats may not be great he's doing what he can with what he has in terms of the players around him and his own health. Unlike the previous incumbent he can - when healthy - put this team on his back. Ask ISU.
 
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Thank god someone speaks the truth......some of these people talking NFL are just crazy! I hope Iowa never loses a game this year but it wont be because of CJ is a NFL caliber QB!
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You and the original poster obviously the ones that are crazy. CJ absolutely has NFL tools. But he's been playing at less than 50% due to injuries. Only a moron would make a statement like you just did.
 
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A few things:

1. No, CJ's stats aren't stellar, but it's obvious his injury has affected them significantly. Considering the injury, he's doing damn well.

2. CJ has NFL potential, when healthy. No QB with a severe groin injury is every going to look like a potential NFL QB. When healthy, he has a cannon for an arm, good accuracy, and good mobility. Plus, he has the size the NFL looks for in a QB and makes sound decisions with the ball. All qualities the NFL wants in a QB.

3. CJ is a terrific leader. His offense believes in him. The team feeds off of his leadership ability. Never underestimate this quality in a QB. It will never show up on a stat sheet, but it makes a difference.

4. Of course the Hawks are winning as a team. That's largely why they've been so successful so far this season -- they're unified and playing like a family. Frankly, no team should be relying on its QB to the point that his play alone dictates the success of the team. CJ has an important role to play, and he's doing it very well despite a crappy injury, but he's just one of many reasons for Iowa's success to date. That's the way it should be. He's doing what's necessary to win, along with a bunch of his Hawkeye brothers who are all doing their part.

5. I wouldn't say CJ's play has been "more mediocre than most of us realize" at all. I suspect most Iowa fans realize he's only at about 60%, and his play shows it. It's no secret that the guy has been pretty much a shadow of himself for several games now. Those stats aren't the least bit surprising to me. What would you expect from a QB whose groin is ripped to shreds?
 
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Only stat that matters is win-loss record....that being said CJB gets to much credit, much like he would get to much blame if we lose....part of being QB I guess.
 
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What would you expect from a QB whose groin is ripped to shreds?
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I would expect a backup quarterback to be called on to replace him.

Starting a known injured quarterback is a risk to the player.

Rule #1....don't put these kids at risk of serious injury for entertainment purposes when there are ways to avoid injuries even worse.
 
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CJ's decision making has been outstanding this year. His clutch plays have been awesome. It is the uncoachable plays that make him special. Some examples; avoiding safety against ISU, the clock management against Pitt at the end by running and getting down, throwing the ball 45 yds on a line to Jerminic while scrambling on a broken play against IL, and the audibles he has made on some big running plays. He ball placement all year has been where our guy catches it or nobody. One overlooked thing, he eats it when he has to eat it and rarely fumbles. All phases have been great this year, but CJ is the X factor.
 
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law, you are wrong and an idiot for showing the rest of us you know nothing about football.
One of the best qb's of all time in the NFL , because he holds or held so many records was Dan Marino.
He never won a Super Bowl. How many did Dan Fouts win ? Another guy who had lots of great passing stats.
Being a qb for a Ferentz team is highly unlikely to rate high in passing stats unless you are Drew Tate who had a 5th string walk on (Brownlee) for a running back so Drew had to pass.
I'd suggest you quit posting and showing your ignorance.
 
iowalaw said:
He's not having a year worthy of touting his "9-0 as a starter" record 20 times per game, like announcers do. We are winning as a team, not with superior qb play. Based on Big 10 stats after the Maryland game, CJ is:

6th in passing yards per game
5th in pass efficiency
6th in completion percentage
in a 3 way tie for 6th in td passes
4th in total offense

Granted, CJ is ranked ahead of Rudock on all of these stats, and has been the better qb of the two for the past three years, but his season thus far has been more mediocre than most of us realize because we keep winning with an awesome run game and defense.

Incidentally, Canzeri is still 4th in the conference in rushing despite not really playing in the first game or the last game. That is some serious over achieving.

http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/fb-confldrs.html
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What is this...the Nebraska board?
 
I think Beathard, even with his injury, could still make the necessary plays with a little more time in the pocket. It's the combination of injuries to the offense that have taken the biggest toll.

Best case scenario ,if the team is to continue winning, would be to have him as healthy and mobile as possible. At 100%, he's as dangerous as any QB in the conference.
 
We could win the National championship and someone will find something to complain about.
Maybe some people aren't used to the success because of the last couple seasons, but I don't understand the negativity. At least wait until there is an actual reason to complain.

This team may not be full of 1st round draft picks or Heisman candidates but they are all playing well together and winning and that is ALL that matters.
 
What everyone who is slurping CJ fails to realize is that, say he is only playing at 60%... And that is why he is not running for any yards (he's less mobile than rudock right now), not hitting the deep balls, and not throwing for more than 180 yards a game. That's fine. Then why is he still in on every snap? We have a back up quarterback who is 100% and might give us a little spark, don't we? A highly touted kid who is about the same age that CJ was last year.

We saw that when our first team running back, Daniels, was only at 60%, he was highly ineffective compared with Canzeri who came in and lit the world on fire and is now 4th in the Big 10 in rushing. No one "starter" is so good at 60% that he is better than the next man in at 100%. Look at how drew otts replacement has played. Fantastically. And Connor kornbraths former backup? Kidd is killing it out there.

When healthy, CJ is a great QB. He's not healthy now, and he's not great. The stats don't lie. So why not rest him a bit instead of playing him on every snap of victories against lowly Maryland?
 
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What everyone who is slurping CJ fails to realize is that, say he is only playing at 60%... And that is why he is not running for any arts, not hitting the deep balls, and not throwing for more than 180 yards a game. That's fine. Then why is he still in on every snap? We have a back up quarterback who is 100% and might give us a little spark?

We saw with our first team running back, Daniels, that when the starter is at 60%, then it makes way more sense to give the back up, who is 100%, a shot. No one man is so good at 60% that he is better than the next man in at 100%. Look at how drew otts replacement has played. And Connor kornbraths.

When healthy, CJ is great. He's not healthy, and he's not great.
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"Please, STFU"- Signed Everyone.
 
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[QUOTE="SoonerBeAHawk, post: 1118603, member: 7446"]Lest we forget, ya gotta have receivers that can get open too. Of the first three downfield throws to VandeBerg two were right on the money, but VB was so closely defended he failed to come up with either. The third in-completion was on CJ. Tough way to make a living.

While his stats may not be great he's doing what he can with what he has in terms of the players around him and his own health. Unlike the previous incumbent he can - when healthy - put this team on his back. Ask ISU.[/QUOTE]

Receivers were open. On one of those plays Hillyer was wide open over the middle, no defender within 10 yards and CJ didn't see him. He's not going through his progressions for whatever reason. Maybe being hurt he's being told to get it out quick, thus not seeing the whole field.
 
iowalaw said:
What everyone who is slurping CJ fails to realize is that, say he is only playing at 60%... And that is why he is not running for any yards (he's less mobile than rudock right now), not hitting the deep balls, and not throwing for more than 180 yards a game. That's fine. Then why is he still in on every snap? We have a back up quarterback who is 100% and might give us a little spark, don't we? A highly touted kid who is about the same age that CJ was last year.

We saw with our first team running back, Daniels, that when the starter is at 60%, then it makes way more sense to give the back up, who is 100%, a shot, are they on going with the mediocre starter. No one man is so good at 60% that he is better than the next man in at 100%. Look at how drew otts replacement has played. Fantastically. And Connor kornbraths. Kidd is killing it out there.

When healthy, CJ is great. He's not healthy now, and he's not great. The stats don't lie.
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Do you think C.J.'s play is holding the team back? Do you know the backup is a better option? Do you trust him not to make critical mistakes? As for me, I have no idea how good our backup is, I do know that our current starter is the team leader, The players seem to like him and respond to his leadership, The coaching staff trust's him not to make critical mistakes. Has he missed some throws, Sure has, Would his backup make perfect throws on every pass, very doubtful. If the Hawks were 4-4, Then yes I would be in favor of sitting C.J. and letting him get healthy, The reality is we have a special season going and I fully understand the decision to ride an injured C.J. as far as we can go. The staff feels he is the best option, Good enough for me.
 
Sadly, this opinion is just plain IGNORANT. The staff felt Wadley was our 4th best option last year and gave Weismann the rock for 3 years. But for injury, Wadley would have never seen the field this year. The staff felt CJ deserved no playing time over Jake Rudock. But for injury, CJ would have never saw the field. Sometimes, when the staff feels someone is the best option, it should not be good enough for you...or are you a sheep?

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The staff feels he is the best option, Good enough for me.
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