The oil figures are DOWN from what they were, before the war.
I think VZ is playing with major fire here.....
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Oil figures? Be specific, the topic is revenue. You try to move the goalposts and use words like "figures" Go back and read the original post. Revenue is up YoY in 2024, and up MoM in January 2025. I'll post one source for 2024. You can be bothered to look up the January 2025 figures yourself. You'll also find other verified reports that Russian oil revenues are up 33% in 2024 as compared to 2023.
You are wrong again. It's a pattern. You understand that you can post what you want and low information people on this board accept what you post as fact. I'm not low information and know most of what you post is based on your emotions. You're disingenuous and ill informed.
After you reply with another false post, we can even get into the devalued RUB and how Russia's oil revenue is even higher in real terms than what is reported and the reasons why. You won't be able to follow it, but your responses will be entertaining.
Changing the goal posts again. Oil revenue is up YoY 2/24 and up MoM Jan 2025. Again go back and read the original post. Pre invasion wasn't mentioned or I would have addressed it. You mentioned pre invasion when you figured out your original statement was inaccurate and you had to search to find some way to make an accurate statement. You're disingenious.
Which is DOWN from what it was before the invasion.
There is something very important in this, but you didn't call it out. I believe to exert maximum pressure on Russia we need to get India to stop buying Russian oil and gas. It would be a huge blow to their economy. I do not understand why we don't push harder on that (either the last admin or this one).Yeah, Russia has really been gutted.They are making more money then ever off of their oil revenue because of this war.
If you think Russia has been gutted by this war, you are delusional. And, even if that were true, then what would you decribe what has been done to the Ukrainian peple? Your liberal party and its leader could have prevented this war and didn't. And, now the Dems have one of the lowest party approval ratings in history. This war is one of the reasons......
If you call 200,000,000,000+ billion a pittance, then start sending extra on your taxes and tell them to send it to Ukraine instead of helping those in need here in the US. Or, you could move to a place like Spain who came one SO strong in support of Ukraine, while giving .01% of what we have given, while at the same time, making sure they get their money back.
Oh, and here is how gutted Russia is. They are laughing all the way to the bank. Facts Matter.
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"Over the past 4 years, Russia's oil export revenues have exploded. Below is an overview of the estimated annual revenues for the past 5 years:
2020 72.4 2021 110.2 2022 180.0 2023 192.0 2024 239.7
Which isn't germane to the OP, and which doesn't make you correct about the OP. You've moved the goal pasts again in an attempt to find anything that refutes what I actually posted. All I stated, and you incorrectly disagreed with multiple times, was that YoY and MoM oil revenue were up. It is. It's not debatable. No evidence has been presented that contradicts this, becuase there is no such evidence.
If your feel I've stated something other than what I've stated, please link to it. That doesn't exist either. You have no idea what you're even arguing about. What you do is attribute statements to myself that don't exist. Again, please link to anywhere I speak to revenue pre and post invasion. If I did, which I didn't, it would require me to educate you about the prices during that period and FOB.
You really need to get some help.
Slava Ukraini Brother.
Russia has found new markets and new ways to grow revenue (deepening India as the example in this discussion) and found alternate methods of delivery. Whether India continues to buy or not, Russian oil revenues are projected to decrease CY 2025. It might be 2026, I'd need to check again. They haven't after one month, but if pricing predications hold true, they likely will. The price of crude is more of a factor than sanctions and price cap. That's not just a Russia issue, but for purposes of the Ukraine war discussion, it is a large Russia issue.
The one thing @Joes Place is correct about, if you're patient enough to read through the rest of his incoherent ramblings, is that if Russia's energy revenue were to be attacked it would have a deep impact on their military budget. It already has to some extent. He takes a very simplistic approach to this, and there are other and more effective ways to do this rather than drone attacks. The Russian budgeting has undergone some changes for a variety of reasons, one of the major ones is energy revenue.
This is one of the reasons Russia will come to the table to negotiate. And as Bill Clinton clearly stated, Putin never broke his private agreements. The biggest problem right now in my view is Zelenskyy, and I know that's not popular. At some point the Ukrainian people are going to be done with him. Two willing parties are required to get peace. At this point the public display everyone is so upset about needed to happen in my view. I suspect Zelenskyy, and Trump for that matter, will tone it down, or Zelenskyy will be gone.
In my view it would speed things up if the American public got video tape of the atrocities every night on the news. The America people would demand an end to this, and demand both parties take a hair cut, whether anyone agrees with who should take the bigger hair cut, or not.
The end goal for the US is peace, not solely defeating Russia. There are a lot of different opinions on how to get there, but what we've tried so far has not been successful. I'm willing to give the new approach a fair chance before I prematurely call it a failure and make wild predictions like we've seen on this board. None of that crap is helpful. I suspect we are moving in the right direction. I pay no attention to the public outcry or news except as a means to an end. I focus solely on the end goal and progress made towards that end goal. I also watch energy prices for my own investment reasons, so have been following all of this more closely than a lot of others might be. As in very closely, and that doesn't include sensationalized media or social media reporting.
The end goal for the US should be an undivided Ukraine.
No one needs Russia to be "defeated" and "invaded"; they simply need to 'go home'.
You might think it should be, but the end goal of the current administration is a peace deal. Even the Biden administration sent mixed messages. Ukraine was divided pre invasion FWIW. Your stated goal is not realistic in the present climate, and very possibly never will be. Can't sacrifice the good for the best is where we are at, whether you like it or nor, or agree with it.
I have to accept reality and deal in the "what is", not "what ifs", or what I prefer.
The end goal of the current administration is to hand Ukraine over to Russia, and get a Trump Tower Moscow built.
Link to evidence of this? By evidence, I mean evidence, not someone's opinion. Your opinions, which is what they are, are very divergent from fact and reality. I get you are entitled to have an opinion, but you just posted your opinion as fact. You can't really do that anywhere except places like this where it doesn't matter. So dramatic also. You really need to take a step away frm all of this. I'd suggest you block me becuase you're never going to win against me. It isn't a fair fight. Facts that are documented and linked versus diatribes based on what you happen to be feeling.. So many diatribes you often times can't even remember what you posted. It's just easier to speak in facts and truth than to have to remember all the lies you make up as you go.
You notice that when you claim I make a statement that I didn't make how easy it is for me to quote the post in question? Why can't you do this? I wonder why.
