If Israel doesn't accept cease fire - f em

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

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Jimmy...

Hamas are the ones walking away from a cease fire deal.

They're the ones that want dead Palestinian civilians. Meets their political objectives...

"There's a framework deal," the official said. "The Israelis have more or less accepted it. And there will be a six week cease-fire in Gaza starting today — if Hamas agrees to release" the hostages, the official said.

Israel-Hamas cease-fire unlikely before Ramadan as Hamas delegation leaves talks, but says they'll resume

Hamas puts talks on hold, says Israel "refuses to commit" to a Gaza cease-fire deal, dashing hope for a pre-Ramadan truce.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[seminole97]

Your comparison to the US having bases in Germany to Israel's occupation of Israel shows just how terribly and shamefully you do not understand what's going on

How did the bases get there?
What happened right before that?
Why do you evade this portion of reality?

 

[OhAdam]

Jimmy...

Hamas are the ones walking away from a cease fire deal.

They're the ones that want dead Palestinian civilians. Meets their political objectives...

"There's a framework deal," the official said. "The Israelis have more or less accepted it. And there will be a six week cease-fire in Gaza starting today — if Hamas agrees to release" the hostages, the official said.

Israel-Hamas cease-fire unlikely before Ramadan as Hamas delegation leaves talks, but says they'll resume

Hamas puts talks on hold, says Israel "refuses to commit" to a Gaza cease-fire deal, dashing hope for a pre-Ramadan truce.

www.cbsnews.com

It is insane how propagandized this is. Bin, read the damn article again. Consider that both sides of this have "political objectives". Consider that one side has explicitly stated its goal being displacement and takeover. Also consider what Israel won't agree to as part of the negotiation… in light of its committing genocide.

Genocide. Ethnic cleansing. Commensurate to its stated Zionist goal.

Israel wants to rid Palestine of Palestinians. This is Trail of Tears type shit. Except worse.

I know, different lives, valued differently.

Man, it is so easy to research the disproportionate kidnapping, maiming, killing, imprisonment without process or trial between these two entities. So easy. And, yet, somehow, only one side of this story can be presumed wrong, guilty, deserving of deep critical consideration.

These talks in Cairo? Israel refused to even send a delegate.

Maybe consider that Israel has objectives, too, Bin. Maybe read a little on Zionism, who are the most extremist in Zionism, what their publicly-stated objectives are, and how they relate directly to the ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing that is happening.

Maybe read a little on the historical patterns of settler colonialism — plenty of examples right here in North America — and consider this in that context.

Trail of Tears is an easy one.

Let me offer this as a way of consideration. Let's say we actually are being "invaded" by people from Central and South America. Should the US and its citizens simply allow it? Or do you believe the US should resist? Protect its home? Its freedoms? Its ways of life?

This idea that certain countries/peoples have a right to settle and colonize (almost always to the detriment of those already there), certain countries/nations/peoples have a right to defend themselves against and resist incursions, while others, apparently, don't have that right, well it's just crazy to me that people seemingly have a hard time not just recognizing how prevalent this is in our history, but seemingly are actually incapacitated to pausing, reflecting, and recognizing it in any way, shape or form in real time.

I really do believe that at the core of this is people really do value different lives, differently. A Palestinian child's life has less value than an Israeli child's life. Given the disproportionate maiming and killing throughout the history of Palestine/Israel, it seems to be a factor of around 20 times less valuable.

I actually believe in equality and justice for all. That's always my starting point in going about researching an issue and the people and institutions involved. It's my starting point towards forming an informed and objective-as-possible understanding. Now, if my starting point is that one people or one institution is better than the other, this is impossible.

I don't value the lives of different people, differently.

I implore you to listen to talks given by Chris Hedges. Read a little about him, his career. Read about how and why he left the NY Times.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

It is insane how propagandized this is. Bin, read the damn article again. Consider that both sides of this have "political objectives". Consider that one side has explicitly stated its goal being displacement and takeover. Also consider what Israel won't agree to as part of the negotiation… in light of its committing genocide.

Genocide. Ethnic cleansing. Commensurate to its stated Zionist goal.

Israel wants to rid Palestine of Palestinians. This is Trail of Tears type shit. Except worse.

I know, different lives, valued differently.

Man, it is so easy to research the disproportionate kidnapping, maiming, killing, imprisonment without process or trial between these two entities. So easy. And, yet, somehow, only one side of this story can be presumed wrong, guilty, deserving of deep critical consideration.

These talks in Cairo? Israel refused to even send a delegate.

Maybe consider that Israel has objectives, too, Bin. Maybe read a little on Zionism, who are the most extremist in Zionism, what their publicly-stated objectives are, and how they relate directly to the ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing that is happening.

Maybe read a little on the historical patterns of settler colonialism — plenty of examples right here in North America — and consider this in that context.

Trail of Tears is an easy one.

Let me offer this as a way of consideration. Let's say we actually are being "invaded" by people from Central and South America. Should the US and its citizens simply allow it? Or do you believe the US should resist? Protect its home? Its freedoms? Its ways of life?

This idea that certain countries/peoples have a right to settle and colonize (almost always to the detriment of those already there), certain countries/nations/peoples have a right to defend themselves against and resist incursions, while others, apparently, don't have that right, well it's just crazy to me that people seemingly have a hard time not just recognizing how prevalent this is in our history, but seemingly are actually incapacitated to pausing, reflecting, and recognizing it in any way, shape or form in real time.

I really do believe that at the core of this is people really do value different lives, differently. A Palestinian child's life has less value than an Israeli child's life. Given the disproportionate maiming and killing throughout the history of Palestine/Israel, it seems to be a factor of around 20 times less valuable.

I actually believe in equality and justice for all. That's always my starting point in going about researching an issue and the people and institutions involved. It's my starting point towards forming an informed and objective-as-possible understanding. Now, if my starting point is that one people or one institution is better than the other, this is impossible.

I don't value the lives of different people, differently.

I implore you to listen to talks given by Chris Hedges. Read a little about him, his career. Read about how and why he left the NY Times.

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I don't agree with much of it but you make a cogent argument.

 

[OhAdam]

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I don't agree with much of it but you make a cogent argument.

What do you find disagreeable?

 

[abby97]

It is insane how propagandized this is. Bin, read the damn article again. Consider that both sides of this have "political objectives". Consider that one side has explicitly stated its goal being displacement and takeover. Also consider what Israel won't agree to as part of the negotiation… in light of its committing genocide.

Genocide. Ethnic cleansing. Commensurate to its stated Zionist goal.

Israel wants to rid Palestine of Palestinians. This is Trail of Tears type shit. Except worse.

I know, different lives, valued differently.

Man, it is so easy to research the disproportionate kidnapping, maiming, killing, imprisonment without process or trial between these two entities. So easy. And, yet, somehow, only one side of this story can be presumed wrong, guilty, deserving of deep critical consideration.

These talks in Cairo? Israel refused to even send a delegate.

Maybe consider that Israel has objectives, too, Bin. Maybe read a little on Zionism, who are the most extremist in Zionism, what their publicly-stated objectives are, and how they relate directly to the ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing that is happening.

Maybe read a little on the historical patterns of settler colonialism — plenty of examples right here in North America — and consider this in that context.

Trail of Tears is an easy one.

Let me offer this as a way of consideration. Let's say we actually are being "invaded" by people from Central and South America. Should the US and its citizens simply allow it? Or do you believe the US should resist? Protect its home? Its freedoms? Its ways of life?

This idea that certain countries/peoples have a right to settle and colonize (almost always to the detriment of those already there), certain countries/nations/peoples have a right to defend themselves against and resist incursions, while others, apparently, don't have that right, well it's just crazy to me that people seemingly have a hard time not just recognizing how prevalent this is in our history, but seemingly are actually incapacitated to pausing, reflecting, and recognizing it in any way, shape or form in real time.

I really do believe that at the core of this is people really do value different lives, differently. A Palestinian child's life has less value than an Israeli child's life. Given the disproportionate maiming and killing throughout the history of Palestine/Israel, it seems to be a factor of around 20 times less valuable.

I actually believe in equality and justice for all. That's always my starting point in going about researching an issue and the people and institutions involved. It's my starting point towards forming an informed and objective-as-possible understanding. Now, if my starting point is that one people or one institution is better than the other, this is impossible.

I don't value the lives of different people, differently.

I implore you to listen to talks given by Chris Hedges. Read a little about him, his career. Read about how and why he left the NY Times.

What a mook

 

[abby97]

What do you find disagreeable?

everything, but thanks for the effort.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Of course you won't.

Your comparison to the US having bases in Germany to Israel's occupation of Israel shows just how terribly and shamefully you do not understand what's going on, and what's been going on, for several decades. For what? To defend a fascist regime carrying out genocide and ethnic cleansing, carrying out their explicit goal of displacement and territory takeover? This was always the Zionist plan, and it takes very little effort to research this.

Just read a wiki page to (maybe) better understand just how silly your US-in-Germany equivalence actually is.

You chose to challenge me, with neither merit nor attempt to present information, or sources, negating my claims nor my sources. That deserves criticism. Trying to draw equivalence between what the US military has in Germany and Israel's occupation of Palestine deserves criticism. It just does. Your attempt to deflect and then avoid having your perceptions challenged — I mean, damn, it's really sad.

I'm not asking you to share my point of view. I'm asking you to, if you're actually going to challenge my views — with zero attempt to provide information or sources that prove my sources and information to be wrong — then at least give my info and sources a chance. Just take a look/listen.

@RagnarLothbrok is a friend of mine. He was a defender of Israel in a similar manner as you seem to be. We had some really heated arguments. He came across an article by Pogrund in 2014, using it to attempt to deny my assertion that Israel was guilty of apartheid with respect to Palestine. When I showed him that this same author (and internationally-recognized expert on apartheid) defending Israel against charges of apartheid in 2014 had since written in defense of these same charges, laying out the case for why and how Israel has reached the point where it actually is guilty of genocide, I think it sort of forced him reconsider.

Look, I think we, as citizens of the most powerful country on the planet, a country with a full and sordid history of all manner of colonialist crap, have a very serious and sober responsibility to be skilled and committed to seeking and knowing full truth, to recognizing and dismissing propaganda, and to holding power to account therein.

With great power comes great responsibility, does it not?

Have a wonderful International Women's Day, Goldie.

 

[OhAdam]

It was always the plan, the objective, to displace and ultimately remove these people from this land. This plan was not some big secret, either. It was stated, restated.

Above are just some excerpts. Democracy Now has a proven track record journalistically. Further, they are transparent in their work, archiving every article, every show (video and transcript) since its inception. I always say that an truly interesting exercise is to go back in time and check their journalism. Go back and view/read their coverage of the Iraq War, for example.

It was always a land grab, the dream of Zionism to create their very own ethno-state:

From @democracynow today:

Israel is moving ahead with plans to create another 3,400 homes in illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank, despite condemnation from the U.S. and other allies. The settlements are a violation of international law.​

​

The Wall Street Journal recently published a video showing the surge in illegal settlement building, with new roads and outposts mushrooming in the West Bank since October 7. Palestinian officials have pushed back on the illegal construction, but the vast majority of it has gone unreported or unpunished by the Israeli government.​

​

In January, senior government ministers joined a conference in Jerusalem that called for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and establishing new Jewish-only settlements there following the war.​

 

[THE_DEVIL]

 

[OhAdam]

So now we have a genocide, aided and abetted by us. Just the latest Trail of Tears. Because like the indigenous folks on this continent, who, you know, were a "lower form of life" or "less than" or whatever, because, you know, their resistance simply is intolerable — given their lesser status, you know — Palestinians are also, apparently, less than, less deserving, their lives less meaningful.

American morality is the fakest, phoniest, house-of-cards house-of-mirrors bunch of bullshit. And it's going to be our undoing. It is our undoing.

Trump was/is embraced because he's a reflection of so much of us. He makes this (lack of) morality okay. Hell, to some, his (lack of) morality makes them feel virtuous in their own (lack of) morality. Because for so many, greed, pride, envy, lust, gluttony, etc is their morality.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

So now we have a genocide, aided and abetted by us. Just the latest Trail of Tears. Because like the indigenous folks on this continent, who, you know, were a "lower form of life" or "less than" or whatever, because, you know, their resistance simply is intolerable — given their lesser status, you know — Palestinians are also, apparently, less than, less deserving, their lives less meaningful.

American morality is the fakest, phoniest, house-of-cards house-of-mirrors bunch of bullshit. And it's going to be our undoing. It is our undoing.

Trump was/is embraced because he's a reflection of so much of us. He makes this (lack of) morality okay. Hell, to some, his (lack of) morality makes them feel virtuous in their own (lack of) morality. Because for so many, greed, pride, envy, lust, gluttony, etc is their morality.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Of course you won't.

Your comparison to the US having bases in Germany to Israel's occupation of Israel shows just how terribly and shamefully you do not understand what's going on, and what's been going on, for several decades. For what? To defend a fascist regime carrying out genocide and ethnic cleansing, carrying out their explicit goal of displacement and territory takeover? This was always the Zionist plan, and it takes very little effort to research this.

Just read a wiki page to (maybe) better understand just how silly your US-in-Germany equivalence actually is.

You chose to challenge me, with neither merit nor attempt to present information, or sources, negating my claims nor my sources. That deserves criticism. Trying to draw equivalence between what the US military has in Germany and Israel's occupation of Palestine deserves criticism. It just does. Your attempt to deflect and then avoid having your perceptions challenged — I mean, damn, it's really sad.

I'm not asking you to share my point of view. I'm asking you to, if you're actually going to challenge my views — with zero attempt to provide information or sources that prove my sources and information to be wrong — then at least give my info and sources a chance. Just take a look/listen.

@RagnarLothbrok is a friend of mine. He was a defender of Israel in a similar manner as you seem to be. We had some really heated arguments. He came across an article by Pogrund in 2014, using it to attempt to deny my assertion that Israel was guilty of apartheid with respect to Palestine. When I showed him that this same author (and internationally-recognized expert on apartheid) defending Israel against charges of apartheid in 2014 had since written in defense of these same charges, laying out the case for why and how Israel has reached the point where it actually is guilty of genocide, I think it sort of forced him reconsider.

Look, I think we, as citizens of the most powerful country on the planet, a country with a full and sordid history of all manner of colonialist crap, have a very serious and sober responsibility to be skilled and committed to seeking and knowing full truth, to recognizing and dismissing propaganda, and to holding power to account therein.

With great power comes great responsibility, does it not?

Have a wonderful International Women's Day, Goldie.

You’re right, and you’re doing the most, friend. 😉

 

[mustang_hawk]

Hamas should release all remaining hostages to get the cease fire. They've been unwilling to do that and they're a terrorist organization. F them.

Yup, keep on bombing and starving old men, women and children. That will make everything better. What Netanyahu is doing now is sort of like a holocaust in reverse.

 

[SB_SB]

So now we have a genocide, aided and abetted by us. Just the latest Trail of Tears. Because like the indigenous folks on this continent, who, you know, were a "lower form of life" or "less than" or whatever, because, you know, their resistance simply is intolerable — given their lesser status, you know — Palestinians are also, apparently, less than, less deserving, their lives less meaningful.

American morality is the fakest, phoniest, house-of-cards house-of-mirrors bunch of bullshit. And it's going to be our undoing. It is our undoing.

Trump was/is embraced because he's a reflection of so much of us. He makes this (lack of) morality okay. Hell, to some, his (lack of) morality makes them feel virtuous in their own (lack of) morality. Because for so many, greed, pride, envy, lust, gluttony, etc is their morality.

I see you're one of those people who will always be for the underdog even if the underdog wants to kill you. Your false assumption is that the people on top are always the bad guys in the discussion. Yes, there have been terrible things for thousands of years but your assumption that every winner is a bad person is just wrong.

Yes there are some leaders that really lack any type of morality, I'll give you that. I'm also surprised by the high percentage of followers that just don't seem to care about morality. It is shocking and an eye opener. But that said, when there's a war going on, people go into survival mode and whats done during a war isn't something that someone might do during peace time. We're certainly not going to drop a couple of bombs on Japan today.

 

[SB_SB]

Yup, keep on bombing and starving old men, women and children. That will make everything better. What Netanyahu is doing now is sort of like a holocaust in reverse.

I don't think you understand the holocaust very well.

 

[mustang_hawk]

I don't think you understand the holocaust very well.

I don't think you understand the word sort. very well. You don't think that Netanyahu just wants the Palestinians gone?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Yup, keep on bombing and starving old men, women and children. That will make everything better. What Netanyahu is doing now is sort of like a holocaust in reverse.

It’s nothing like the holocaust…

Anyone with a functioning brain knows that’s a stupid comparison.

 

[hawkedoff]

It's crucial to recognize the complexities of the Israel-Palestine conflict and acknowledge the grievances on both sides. Historical context is essential in understanding the roots of the conflict, and it's evident that the latest events didn't occur in isolation. While Israel has a right to defend itself, the means employed should prioritize minimizing civilian casualties, especially children.

In today's advanced technological age, precision targeting is possible, making it imperative for Israel to employ methods that discriminate between combatants and civilians more effectively. The focus should be on dismantling the threat posed by groups like Hamas rather than harming the broader Palestinian population. The goal should not be eradication, something Jews should know all too well.

**** you

 

[hawkedoff]

Dumb. JFC, people, if you're don't have the time or energy to better educate yourself on this, despite that there is an "entertaining" piece available in the form of John Oliver that will help just a bit, man, just shameful.

I mean, shit, just the ignorance of Israel's decades of attacks on Palestinians, in all sorts of forms and scales, is shameful. Y'all act like pre Oct 7 Israel was just freaking awesome with these people.

Like I've said in other threads, read the published writings of Benjamin Pogrund. Staunch defender of Israel for decades, whose defense weakened as Netanyahu's regime became more and more right-wing, more and more fascist in relation to Palestine. Follow the arc of his writing.

Listen to the talks of Chris Hedges. Get outside of sound-byte corporate media.

Or just look up John Oliver's piece on Palestine/Israel.

Genocide and ethnic cleansing, in an age when being ignorant absolutely should not be an excuse given how easily it is to fully research stuff, simply shouldn't happen. And, yet, it's happening. Why? Because, in large part, the most powerful country in the world's populace is shamefully easily misinformed, misled, duped.

John Oliver. You are a ****ing moron

Israel needs to end this shit now and **** anyone including you and John Oliver that thinks otherwise

Hamas can die or they can fully surrender. There is now never going to be a two state solution. There will only be Israel abd terrorists can leave, die, or assimilate

 

[jonesy5960]

There are no simple solutions here when religious beliefs take center stage in a territorial dispute. When people are willing to die for those beliefs, logical thought and human compassion takes a back seat. I hear people on the right saying that removing religion is a problem in American society. More religion isn't the solution to addressing the world's conflicts. Too often it's the source.

 

[SB_SB]

I don't think you understand the word sort. very well. You don't think that Netanyahu just wants the Palestinians gone?

This is not a holocaust situation at all. Again, I don’t think you understand what the holocaust was.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Hamas can die or they can fully surrender. There is now never going to be a two state solution. There will only be Israel abd terrorists can leave, die, or assimilate

Would Israel really ever welcome Palestinians into Israeli society? Tearing down barriers, checkpoints…free movement, no restrictions, etc?

At what point would that happen?

Genuinely asking. I’m not sure they will ever be comfortable with that.

 

[SI_NYC]

Would Israel really ever welcome Palestinians into Israeli society? Tearing down barriers, checkpoints…free movement, no restrictions, etc?

At what point would that happen?

Genuinely asking. I’m not sure they will ever be comfortable with that.

It won’t but dipshit hawkdoff will imagine it.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

It won’t but dipshit hawkdoff will imagine it.

I’m very curious what he meant.

 

[ihhawk]

We should all remember how they feel about us. Let Israel finish them.

 

[TylerJ23]

John Oliver. You are a ****ing moron

Israel needs to end this shit now and **** anyone including you and John Oliver that thinks otherwise

Hamas can die or they can fully surrender. There is now never going to be a two state solution. There will only be Israel abd terrorists can leave, die, or assimilate

I guess you don't give a shit about all innocent people that have died along the way, eh?

 

[SB_SB]

Would Israel really ever welcome Palestinians into Israeli society? Tearing down barriers, checkpoints…free movement, no restrictions, etc?

At what point would that happen?

Genuinely asking. I’m not sure they will ever be comfortable with that.

It's certainly not going to happen while hamas is in charge. The hard part is, the palestinians have to want peace and to recognize Israel as a valid country and people. It's in the hands of the palestinians, what path will they choose.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

It's certainly not going to happen while hamas is in charge. The hard part is, the palestinians have to want peace and to recognize Israel as a valid country and people. It's in the hands of the palestinians, what path will they choose.

Hawkedoff said there should be no two-state solution, Palestinians will need to assimilate. So, my question still stands - Will Israel ever offer that?

Where do they live? Will they vote? My understanding is Israel doesn’t want them as full-fledged citizens, for a number of reasons, including losing power over Israel via elections.

It’s a mess.

 

[SB_SB]

Hawkedoff said there should be no two-state solution, Palestinians will need to assimilate. So, my question still stands - Will Israel ever offer that?

Where do they live? Will they vote? My understanding is Israel doesn’t want them as full-fledged citizens, for a number of reasons, including losing power over Israel via elections.

It’s a mess.

The future is a continued war until hamas is defeated and the palestinians are willing to accept Israel. If those two things don't take place, then there won't be anything different and it's a waste of time to even think beyond that.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

The future is a continued war until hamas is defeated and the palestinians are willing to accept Israel. If those two things don't take place, then there won't be anything different and it's a waste of time to even think beyond that.

I think you’re avoiding the questions because the answers are difficult.

If there’s no two-state solution, and Israel won’t ever accept Palestinians as full-fledged citizens, you’re basically asking them to live peacefully in an open-air prison, and be happy about it. We’re seeing the stick now, but where’s the carrot to change Palestinian current behavior?

 

[Rifler]

No carrots until Hamas is out of the picture...

 

[SB_SB]

I think you’re avoiding the questions because the answers are difficult.

If there’s no two-state solution, and Israel won’t ever accept Palestinians as full-fledged citizens, you’re basically asking them to live peacefully in an open-air prison, and be happy about it. We’re seeing the stick now, but where’s the carrot to change Palestinian current behavior?

The carrot is peace with Israel without being controlled by a terrorist organization. That's a huge start.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

The carrot is peace with Israel without being controlled by a terrorist organization. That's a huge start.

Ok, but then what?

Come on, let’s discuss it. Tell me where I’m wrong.

 

[mustang_hawk]

This is not a holocaust situation at all. Again, I don’t think you understand what the holocaust was.

I understand exactly what the holocaust was. Hitler wanted the Jews, Gypsies and any other nonproductive groups to be totally eliminated. I don’t doubt for a minute that Netanyahu feels the same way about the Palestinians.

 

[Rifler]

I understand exactly what the holocaust was. Hitler wanted the Jews, Gypsies and any other nonproductive groups to be totally eliminated. I don’t doubt for a minute that Netanyahu feels the same way about the Palestinians.

If that were the case, this campaign would now be complete, with zero Israeli military casualties incurred...

 

[abby97]

So now we have a genocide, aided and abetted by us. Just the latest Trail of Tears. Because like the indigenous folks on this continent, who, you know, were a "lower form of life" or "less than" or whatever, because, you know, their resistance simply is intolerable — given their lesser status, you know — Palestinians are also, apparently, less than, less deserving, their lives less meaningful.

American morality is the fakest, phoniest, house-of-cards house-of-mirrors bunch of bullshit. And it's going to be our undoing. It is our undoing.

Trump was/is embraced because he's a reflection of so much of us. He makes this (lack of) morality okay. Hell, to some, his (lack of) morality makes them feel virtuous in their own (lack of) morality. Because for so many, greed, pride, envy, lust, gluttony, etc is their morality.

Bless your heart, I actually believe you believe the nonsense you spew. I feel sorry for you.

 

[abby97]

I think you’re avoiding the questions because the answers are difficult.

If there’s no two-state solution, and Israel won’t ever accept Palestinians as full-fledged citizens, you’re basically asking them to live peacefully in an open-air prison, and be happy about it. We’re seeing the stick now, but where’s the carrot to change Palestinian current behavior?

There are other Arab countries the Palestinians can move to, I would suggest that is the most viable solution for everyone. That way the "two state solution" which the Palestinians don't want anyway can go the way of the Dodo bird.

 

[hexumhawk]

Hamas or "Palestinians" should surrender or be wiped off the face of the earth. No in between.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Hamas or "Palestinians" should surrender or be wiped off the face of the earth. No in between.

Assume that happens. Then what?