If Israel doesn't accept cease fire - f em

[SB_SB]

There’s no other Palestinian group in Gaza at the moment; there’s literally no one else to pick.

I’d wager the majority of Palestinians aren’t terrorists, but at the moment still support Hamas? Why? Because Israel is shooting at them!

The hate from Palestinians has been around long before this war. FYI, hamas started this latest war, not Israel. But Israel is going to finish it. You seems to forget all the murders and rape done by hamas and how the palestinians cheered as body were driven around.

At this point I don't care whether the palestinians like or hate Israel and/or the U.S., they can choose whether they want to be part of the solution or part of problem. Whatever they pick, they can live or die with.

 

[SB_SB]

I'm not going to change your mind. That's okay. Just admit you hate muslims.

It doesn't matter what religion someone is, it's about being whether someone is a terrorist or not.

 

[DeangeloVickers]

I'm not going to change your mind. That's okay. Just admit you hate muslims.

Nope, not at all. It's pretty pathetic you project random bs like this when presented with facts that bother you.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Nope, not at all. It's pretty pathetic you project random bs like this when presented with facts that bother you.

You just make shit up. I don't care. Keep it up.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

The whole conflict is a catch 22 for Israel.

Pretty close to a no win situation.

 

[sober_teacher]

The hate from Palestinians has been around long before this war. FYI, hamas started this latest war, not Israel. But Israel is going to finish it. You seems to forget all the murders and rape done by hamas and how the palestinians cheered as body were driven around.

At this point I don't care whether the palestinians like or hate Israel and/or the U.S., they can choose whether they want to be part of the solution or part of problem. Whatever they pick, they can live or die with.

Show me a single post where I accepted in any way what Hamas did.

All I have ever said is that I am highly skeptical that the war in Gaza will accomplish Israel’s goal of wiping out Hamas (you think they all stayed in Gaza?) and if, by chance they do succeed, without a viable, legitimate alternative to Hamas, all that will achieve is replacing one terrorist group with another as someone steps in to fill the vacuum, .

We saw it in Iraq when Saddam fell and isis took his place. We saw a similar thing in Afghanistan when we kicked out the Taliban, setup a replacement government that wasn’t viable on its own, and resulted in the return of a resurgent Taliban.

 

[SI_NYC]

The hate from Palestinians has been around long before this war. FYI, hamas started this latest war, not Israel. But Israel is going to finish it. You seems to forget all the murders and rape done by hamas and how the palestinians cheered as body were driven around.

At this point I don't care whether the palestinians like or hate Israel and/or the U.S., they can choose whether they want to be part of the solution or part of problem. Whatever they pick, they can live or die with.

And you seem to forget about the thousands of children Israel has killed. Are they Hamas? You justify the killing because it’s your people.

 

[goldmom]

And you seem to forget about the thousands of children Israel has killed. Are they Hamas? You justify the killing because it’s your people.

You mean the ones used by HAMAS and before them the PLO as human shields so they could be used as propaganda, right?
In no way comparable to the beheaded babies and women and young girls raped and butchered? Confirmed by the UN who is no supporter of Israel?

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

That is the most disingenuous take I've ever heard, I don't know a single true American cheering for Russia. The left has tried to fabricate this nuanced stance that because the right wants to make sure our money is being spent properly in Ukraine and wants to tie funding for both Israel and Ukraine to protecting our own border, that is synonymous with supporting Russia. Give me a break, the anti-American left never seems to amaze me.

Yeah, the right just wants us to spend our money wisely. That’s why their heroes Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump constantly deep throat Russia and Putin while shitting on America’s most democratic principles. Truly retarded take by you.

 

[SB_SB]

Show me a single post where I accepted in any way what Hamas did.

All I have ever said is that I am highly skeptical that the war in Gaza will accomplish Israel’s goal of wiping out Hamas (you think they all stayed in Gaza?) and if, by chance they do succeed, without a viable, legitimate alternative to Hamas, all that will achieve is replacing one terrorist group with another as someone steps in to fill the vacuum, .

We saw it in Iraq when Saddam fell and isis took his place. We saw a similar thing in Afghanistan when we kicked out the Taliban, setup a replacement government that wasn’t viable on its own, and resulted in the return of a resurgent Taliban.

Doing nothing or doing the same would be insane. Israel needs to eliminate hamas, get their hostages back and if needed they need to police Gaza until palestinians can manage themselves. That may never happen so Israel has the right to keep Gaza in line.

 

[SB_SB]

And you seem to forget about the thousands of children Israel has killed. Are they Hamas? You justify the killing because it’s your people.

Israel isn’t killing the kids, hamas is causing this. We killed plenty of germans when stopping hitler. That happens in a war zone.

 

[seminole97]

And why would Hamas do that?

in order for your Palestinian protestor to be against Hamas, they also have to be for someone else. Who would that be?

Someone who isn’t turning donated irrigation pipes into crude rockets to fire at civilians?

Such a Palestinian exists right, because if they all want to do what Hamas does, that leaves but one option for peace.

 

[SI_NYC]

You mean the ones used by HAMAS and before them the PLO as human shields so they could be used as propaganda, right?
In no way comparable to the beheaded babies and women and young girls raped and butchered? Confirmed by the UN who is no supporter of Israel?

Certainly, I appreciate your thoughts and understand the anger. The loss of innocent lives, particularly children, is a heart-wrenching tragedy that impacts us all profoundly. It’s crucial to distinguish between political entities and the individuals caught in the midst of conflict.

While Hamas, as an organization, has been involved in brutal and deplorable violence, we must recognize that the innocent children affected by these conflicts bear no responsibility for any group’s actions. Their lives remain untainted by political or military context.

As we engage in discussions about these complex issues, let us never forget the human cost—the children who harbor dreams, families, and futures. Regardless of the circumstances, their lives deserve protection and compassion. Assigning blame solely to Hamas as human shields overlooks the broader picture. Both sides, Israel and Hamas, play a role in the tragic events unfolding.

Our collective advocacy should be for peace, empathy, and the well-being of all innocent civilians, irrespective of their backgrounds or affiliations.

 

[seminole97]

While Hamas, as an organization, has been involved in brutal and deplorable violence, we must recognize that the innocent children affected by these conflicts bear no responsibility for any group’s actions. Their lives remain untainted by political or military context.

I don’t think the lives of kids under Hamas terrorists is quite what you imagine.

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Palestinian kids wearing Hamas uniforms protesting by the Israel border with Gaza​

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Certainly, I appreciate your thoughts and understand the anger. The loss of innocent lives, particularly children, is a heart-wrenching tragedy that impacts us all profoundly. It’s crucial to distinguish between political entities and the individuals caught in the midst of conflict.

While Hamas, as an organization, has been involved in brutal and deplorable violence, we must recognize that the innocent children affected by these conflicts bear no responsibility for any group’s actions. Their lives remain untainted by political or military context.

As we engage in discussions about these complex issues, let us never forget the human cost—the children who harbor dreams, families, and futures. Regardless of the circumstances, their lives deserve protection and compassion. Assigning blame solely to Hamas as human shields overlooks the broader picture. Both sides, Israel and Hamas, play a role in the tragic events unfolding.

Our collective advocacy should be for peace, empathy, and the well-being of all innocent civilians, irrespective of their backgrounds or affiliations.

Blah Blah Blah - Get Hamas out of Gaza and problem solved. If there are actually non-Hamas supporting Palestinians (I doubt it) they should then be rising up and run Hamas out of Gaza.

 

[goldmom]

Certainly, I appreciate your thoughts and understand the anger. The loss of innocent lives, particularly children, is a heart-wrenching tragedy that impacts us all profoundly. It’s crucial to distinguish between political entities and the individuals caught in the midst of conflict.

While Hamas, as an organization, has been involved in brutal and deplorable violence, we must recognize that the innocent children affected by these conflicts bear no responsibility for any group’s actions. Their lives remain untainted by political or military context.

As we engage in discussions about these complex issues, let us never forget the human cost—the children who harbor dreams, families, and futures. Regardless of the circumstances, their lives deserve protection and compassion. Assigning blame solely to Hamas as human shields overlooks the broader picture. Both sides, Israel and Hamas, play a role in the tragic events unfolding.

Our collective advocacy should be for peace, empathy, and the well-being of all innocent civilians, irrespective of their backgrounds or affiliations.

We should be “for” lots of altruistic things. But some of us will never be.

 

[SI_NYC]

We should be “for” lots of altruistic things. But some of us will never be.

I’m tired of hearing the excuse that Israel just has to kill those civilians because Hamas is using them as human shields. Its a BS rationalization for mass murder/genocide.

 

[abby97]

FIne. But they aren't going to do that as long as IDF is killing women and children.

Then why didn't they do that during the cease fire, or prior to the Israeli invasion? let me answer that for you as I know you can be a little slow, because they don't want to and have no intention of doing so.

 

[seminole97]

I’m tired of hearing the excuse that Israel just has to kill those civilians because Hamas is using them as human shields. Its a BS rationalization for mass murder/genocide.

I’m tired of hearing the excuse that if terrorists who target and massacre civilians hide behind other civilians they deserve a ceasefire and to keep their hostages.

 

[goldmom]

I’m tired of hearing the excuse that Israel just has to kill those civilians because Hamas is using them as human shields. Its a BS rationalization for mass murder/genocide.

Yeah. Israel should just let it go and stick to burying their own victims. Hopefully they can match up the right head with the right torso, you know?

 

[SI_NYC]

Yeah. Israel should just let it go and stick to burying their own victims. Hopefully they can match up the right head with the right torso, you know?

It's crucial to recognize the complexities of the Israel-Palestine conflict and acknowledge the grievances on both sides. Historical context is essential in understanding the roots of the conflict, and it's evident that the latest events didn't occur in isolation. While Israel has a right to defend itself, the means employed should prioritize minimizing civilian casualties, especially children.

In today's advanced technological age, precision targeting is possible, making it imperative for Israel to employ methods that discriminate between combatants and civilians more effectively. The focus should be on dismantling the threat posed by groups like Hamas rather than harming the broader Palestinian population. The goal should not be eradication, something Jews should know all too well.

 

[goldmom]

It's crucial to recognize the complexities of the Israel-Palestine conflict and acknowledge the grievances on both sides. Historical context is essential in understanding the roots of the conflict, and it's evident that the latest events didn't occur in isolation. While Israel has a right to defend itself, the means employed should prioritize minimizing civilian casualties, especially children.

In today's advanced technological age, precision targeting is possible, making it imperative for Israel to employ methods that discriminate between combatants and civilians more effectively. The focus should be on dismantling the threat posed by groups like Hamas rather than harming the broader Palestinian population. The goal should not be eradication, something Jews should know all too well.

So you are okay with killing as long as it’s done with laser like accuracy.
By the way I appreciate your history lesson - which fails to mention that this is an ancient issue going back to the time of Christ. Between distantly related tribes. Both of whom can legitimately claim that they’ve been there for thousands of years.

 

[SI_NYC]

So you are okay with killing as long as it’s done with laser like accuracy.
By the way I appreciate your history lesson - which fails to mention that this is an ancient issue going back to the time of Christ. Between distantly related tribes. Both of whom can legitimately claim that they’ve been there for thousands of years.

Huh? You didn't comprehend what I wrote it appears. I explicitly stated that this is long conflict and that it didn't just start with Hamas slaughtering Israelis last year.

 

[goldmom]

Huh? You didn't comprehend what I wrote it appears. I explicitly stated that this is long conflict and that it didn't just start with Hamas slaughtering Israelis last year.

I did comprehend what you just posted but your previous posts were just full of appeasement comments (IMO) and as a result I’ve discounted your statements as a whole.
Please note I’m not saying Israel has done everything perfectly but they have survived with a mindset forever ingrained by survivors of the Holocaust. Never again.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

I’m tired of hearing the excuse that Israel just has to kill those civilians because Hamas is using them as human shields. Its a BS rationalization for mass murder/genocide.

And your solution is what? Israel is fighting for its existence and the Jews are fighting to stay alive.

 

[SB_SB]

It's crucial to recognize the complexities of the Israel-Palestine conflict and acknowledge the grievances on both sides. Historical context is essential in understanding the roots of the conflict, and it's evident that the latest events didn't occur in isolation. While Israel has a right to defend itself, the means employed should prioritize minimizing civilian casualties, especially children.

In today's advanced technological age, precision targeting is possible, making it imperative for Israel to employ methods that discriminate between combatants and civilians more effectively. The focus should be on dismantling the threat posed by groups like Hamas rather than harming the broader Palestinian population. The goal should not be eradication, something Jews should know all too well.

For Jews it's about NOT being eradicated by Palestinians/hamas. They know quite well what that looks like and they're not going to let it happen again.

Give back the hostages and surrender or accept the outcome.

 

[SI_NYC]

For Jews it's about NOT being eradicated by Palestinians/hamas. They know quite well what that looks like and they're not going to let it happen again.

Give back the hostages and surrender or accept the outcome.

I get that, but if you look at the number of those killed, there isn't much of a comparison to the killing the Israelis are doing right now to many innocent people not associated with Hamas as well as thousands of children. Hamas, not Palestine, is trying to start a larger regional war by holding these hostages and Israel is playing right into their wishes. They are not going to give back the hostages, so if that is your metric for stopping the killing of tens of thousands of Palestinians, we will be left with a genocide of Palestinians which you seem fine with it appears.

 

[SB_SB]

I get that, but if you look at the number of those killed, there isn't much of a comparison to the killing the Israelis are doing right now to many innocent people not associated with Hamas as well as thousands of children. Hamas, not Palestine, is trying to start a larger regional war by holding these hostages and Israel is playing right into their wishes. They are not going to give back the hostages, so if that is your metric for stopping the killing of tens of thousands of Palestinians, we will be left with a genocide of Palestinians which you seem fine with it appears.

Wow, so you're wanting Israel to just give up on the hostages and consider them gone and just let everything go and retreat. You keep using the word genocide but what you're allowing is the genocide of Israelis. If Israel wanted to exterminate Palestinians they could have already done it by now. If you're so sure that hamas is trying to start a larger war, then why should Israel just walk away and let hamas do whatever they want. Sorry, but Gaza is run by hamas and so that's where the fighting is going to take place. If you had your way, you'd would have said all the people in the concentration camps were a lost cause and the Allies shouldn't cross the border of Germany to get rid of hitler.

 

[SI_NYC]

Wow, so you're wanting Israel to just give up on the hostages and consider them gone and just let everything go and retreat. You keep using the word genocide but what you're allowing is the genocide of Israelis. If Israel wanted to exterminate Palestinians they could have already done it by now. If you're so sure that hamas is trying to start a larger war, then why should Israel just walk away and let hamas do whatever they want. Sorry, but Gaza is run by hamas and so that's where the fighting is going to take place. If you had your way, you'd would have said all the people in the concentration camps were a lost cause and the Allies shouldn't cross the border of Germany to get rid of hitler.

That's not what I'm saying and I understand that it's hard for you to think rationally because you are most likely jewish. Let's just leave it to disagree. You think it's alright to kill innocent kids because Hamas killed your people. End of story. Do you think what Israel is doing is a rational response? They now killed over 30,000 in Gaza, fyi.

 

[goldmom]

That's not what I'm saying and I understand that it's hard for you to think rationally because you are most likely jewish. Let's just leave it to disagree. You think it's alright to kill innocent kids because Hamas killed your people. End of story. Do you think what Israel is doing is a rational response? They now killed over 30,000 in Gaza, fyi.

I’m Catholic and I’m in full support of Israel.
Gotta wonder how many of that 30,000 you claim couldn’t or wouldn’t leave because Hamas wouldn’t let them or neighboring Arab countries wouldn’t let them in.
So you think he’s Jewish. Should we think you’re Arab Muslim? Fair question.

 

[SI_NYC]

I’m Catholic and I’m in full support of Israel.
Gotta wonder how many of that 30,000 you claim couldn’t or wouldn’t leave because Hamas wouldn’t let them or neighboring Arab countries wouldn’t let them in.
So you think he’s Jewish. Should we think you’re Arab Muslim? Fair question.

I don't think you know much about the situation over there. Many families have moved 10+ times to get out of harm's way. First it was the north they were told to evacuate. Now it's the south. You know what? There's nowhere else to go and they are being starved on top of it.

 

[goldmom]

I don't think you know much about the situation over there. Many families have moved 10+ times to get out of harm's way. First it was the north they were told to evacuate. Now it's the south. You know what? There's nowhere else to go and they are being starved on top of it.

October 7th.

 

[SB_SB]

That's not what I'm saying and I understand that it's hard for you to think rationally because you are most likely jewish. Let's just leave it to disagree. You think it's alright to kill innocent kids because Hamas killed your people. End of story. Do you think what Israel is doing is a rational response? They now killed over 30,000 in Gaza, fyi.

I'm catholic. I believe that anyone who is attacked has the right to defend themselves today and for the future. They certainly have the right to get their hostages back.

 

[seminole97]

Hamas, not Palestine, is trying to start a larger regional war by holding these hostages and Israel is playing right into their wishes. They are not going to give back the hostages, so if that is your metric for stopping the killing of tens of thousands of Palestinians, we will be left with a genocide of Palestinians which you Hamas seem fine with it appears.

FTFY

 

[SI_NYC]

I'm catholic. I believe that anyone who is attacked has the right to defend themselves today and for the future. They certainly have the right to get their hostages back.

those 10,000+ Palestinian kids were real dangers to Israel?

 

[noleclone2]

It is not a great situation, but in the end, I am on Israel’s side on issue.

What happened that day in October really just does not seem to have resonated with those who want to be sympathetic with a group of people who 80-85 percent supported Hamas and celebrated it. So let me put some context on it for using apples to apples. They launched a suprise attack killing 1200 innocent men, women, and children, raping and torturing, young and old, and paraded their bodies in the streets of Gaza as 1tens of thousands cheered. The US has 35 times the population so this would be like a surprise attack of 35 secrets Hamas cells scattered in US killing 42,000 Americans in similar barbaric fashion. You saw what we did after 9/11 so try imagining our reaction to that event, especially watching Palestinians celebrate this barbarism in the streets throughout the world. The Gaza Strip would be glass.

Further, I don’t trust any of the numbers on deaths coming from Palestine officials because they are still in bed with Hamas. I mean, we can blame Israel for their policy and actions to why in general there is anger and hate, but not to this level and percentage. Again, this is not some tiny subset of the population, but the vast majority. And they are teaching their children the same hate from day one. The women, the same hate as the men. It is a terrible situation but their actions brought it on themselves and their over all mass hate and and universal desire to kill every Israeli condemns the whole of Gaza to having such a brutal response. It is warranted.

 

[SB_SB]

those 10,000+ Palestinian kids were real dangers to Israel?

If hamas isn't eliminated, then yes, a majority of those kids will become a danger to Israel when they become adults. If you truly want to save those kids and future kids, then getting rid of hamas and creating a stable environment is the answer. Would you want your son or daughter to grow up in an environment controlled by hamas?

 

[OhAdam]

If hamas isn't eliminated, then yes, a majority of those kids will become a danger to Israel when they become adults. If you truly want to save those kids and future kids, then getting rid of hamas and creating a stable environment is the answer. Would you want your son or daughter to grow up in an environment controlled by hamas?

This is so stupid, so beyond stupid. So ignorant of history. Wow.

 

[OhAdam]

It is not a great situation, but in the end, I am on Israel’s side on issue.

What happened that day in October really just does not seem to have resonated with those who want to be sympathetic with a group of people who 80-85 percent supported Hamas and celebrated it. So let me put some context on it for using apples to apples. They launched a suprise attack killing 1200 innocent men, women, and children, raping and torturing, young and old, and paraded their bodies in the streets of Gaza as 1tens of thousands cheered. The US has 35 times the population so this would be like a surprise attack of 35 secrets Hamas cells scattered in US killing 42,000 Americans in similar barbaric fashion. You saw what we did after 9/11 so try imagining our reaction to that event, especially watching Palestinians celebrate this barbarism in the streets throughout the world. The Gaza Strip would be glass.

Further, I don’t trust any of the numbers on deaths coming from Palestine officials because they are still in bed with Hamas. I mean, we can blame Israel for their policy and actions to why in general there is anger and hate, but not to this level and percentage. Again, this is not some tiny subset of the population, but the vast majority. And they are teaching their children the same hate from day one. The women, the same hate as the men. It is a terrible situation but their actions brought it on themselves and their over all mass hate and and universal desire to kill every Israeli condemns the whole of Gaza to having such a brutal response. It is warranted.

Dumb. JFC, people, if you're don't have the time or energy to better educate yourself on this, despite that there is an "entertaining" piece available in the form of John Oliver that will help just a bit, man, just shameful.

I mean, shit, just the ignorance of Israel's decades of attacks on Palestinians, in all sorts of forms and scales, is shameful. Y'all act like pre Oct 7 Israel was just freaking awesome with these people.

Like I've said in other threads, read the published writings of Benjamin Pogrund. Staunch defender of Israel for decades, whose defense weakened as Netanyahu's regime became more and more right-wing, more and more fascist in relation to Palestine. Follow the arc of his writing.

Listen to the talks of Chris Hedges. Get outside of sound-byte corporate media.

Or just look up John Oliver's piece on Palestine/Israel.

Genocide and ethnic cleansing, in an age when being ignorant absolutely should not be an excuse given how easily it is to fully research stuff, simply shouldn't happen. And, yet, it's happening. Why? Because, in large part, the most powerful country in the world's populace is shamefully easily misinformed, misled, duped.

 

[SB_SB]

Dumb. JFC, people, if you're don't have the time or energy to better educate yourself on this, despite that there is an "entertaining" piece available in the form of John Oliver that will help just a bit, man, just shameful.

I mean, shit, just the ignorance of Israel's decades of attacks on Palestinians, in all sorts of forms and scales, is shameful. Y'all act like pre Oct 7 Israel was just freaking awesome with these people.

Like I've said in other threads, read the published writings of Benjamin Pogrund. Staunch defender of Israel for decades, whose defense weakened as Netanyahu's regime became more and more right-wing, more and more fascist in relation to Palestine. Follow the arc of his writing.

Listen to the talks of Chris Hedges. Get outside of sound-byte corporate media.

Or just look up John Oliver's piece on Palestine/Israel.

Genocide and ethnic cleansing, in an age when being ignorant absolutely should not be an excuse given how easily it is to fully research stuff, simply shouldn't happen. And, yet, it's happening. Why? Because, in large part, the most powerful country in the world's populace is shamefully easily misinformed, misled, duped.

Go ahead and send those links over to the Israelis who were raped and had their heads cut off. I'm sure they'd love to read/watch it.