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He’s been called effective because in the heyday of his Senate career it seemed he was far more centrist and gained a reputation as a compromiser.
I had initially hoped he’d bring that to the Oval Office but the staff around him have effectively ended that possibility.

He supported a very right wing immigration bill that the Republicans tanked.
 
Hmmm. Not sure what you’re looking for. Do you not believe that is a legitimate position to take?

Most voters look at what party/politician aligns the most with what they view as important. Some may not care about Israel at all. I suspect many may care but are much more concerned about abortion rights, or treatment of LGBTQ people, or any number of issues that we discuss here every day. They’ve evaluated the parties and the candidates and have decided Trump ain’t for them.

Why do you think this explanation is weak?
Say…did you just move the goal posts?

I have no doubt that there are voters who use those issues to decide who should get their vote. No one can tell them what issues are most important to them and I respect that.
Trump was clumsily trying to make a point and I’m not defending him either since I’m not voting for him or KH.
I do get what he was TRYING to say and his self inflicted damage based on his usual inability to efficiently and successfully deliver a legit point is being used against him. He can’t blame anyone else for that. I think the term “word salad” fits his verbiage of late as well as KH’s.
 
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Say…did you just move the goal posts?

I have no doubt that there are voters who use those issues to decide who should get their vote. No one can tell them what issues are most important to them and I respect that.
Trump was clumsily trying to make a point and I’m not defending him either since I’m not voting for him or KH.
I do get what he was TRYING to say and his self inflicted damage based on his usual inability to efficiently and successfully deliver a legit point is being used against him. He can’t blame anyone else for that. I think the term “word salad” fits his verbiage of late as well as KH’s.
Didn’t move the goalposts at all.

You: It puzzles me why the Jews vote for Dems.

Me: Maybe because they’ve decided the Dems aren’t perfect but they’re better than the GOP.

You: Weak!

Me: Let me try again. Jews may not care as much about Israel as they do other issues that affect them more directly. And they’ve decided Dems - flaws and all - represent those things they value more than the GOP.

Where’s the goalpost moving there?

You are another example of what I’m talking about. Except for abortion, you align strongly with the GOP. You hate Democrats with a passion. Yet you are not voting for Trump. Why? Because youve decided he’s not worth your vote even though you are aligned with him and the party politically.

Same thing.
 
I do get what he was TRYING to say and his self inflicted damage based on his usual inability to efficiently and successfully deliver a legit point is being used against him. He can’t blame anyone else for that. I think the term “word salad” fits his verbiage of late as well as KH’s.

I don’t get what he was trying to say. It’s absolutely absurd on its face. It’s absolute stupid at the very best case scenario.
 
Damn, I am tempted to take him off ignore just to see this exchange….😂

Nothing new, just stolen_valor beaten into submission again. Since he doesn’t show up to his internet tough guy fights he has to take his beatings on HORT.

Bad little bitch stolen_valor, bad!! Go log in as Rico or BDE and beat your meat with them to feel better.
 
Didn’t move the goalposts at all.

You: It puzzles me why the Jews vote for Dems.

Me: Maybe because they’ve decided the Dems aren’t perfect but they’re better than the GOP.

You: Weak!

Me: Let me try again. Jews may not care as much about Israel as they do other issues that affect them more directly. And they’ve decided Dems - flaws and all - represent those things they value more than the GOP.

Where’s the goalpost moving there?

You are another example of what I’m talking about. Except for abortion, you align strongly with the GOP. You hate Democrats with a passion. Yet you are not voting for Trump. Why? Because youve decided he’s not worth your vote even though you are aligned with him and the party politically.

Same thing.
Number one, I do not hate Democrats with a passion. You’re simply wrong about that. Not all my friends are Republicans either.
I see what I consider a level of BS and ignorance and I call it out. Lots of hate and misinformation IMO.
I’m a hugely cynical person about those who are attempting to portray themselves as Democrats on this site.
You realize we are both on an Iowa based board full of angry voters in a deep red state where they’re a minority? And frankly this site has trolls and bots who may be plants stirring up controversy and hate. Hope we agree that no one thinks more of that is needed?
 
LOL...I'm sure it IS puzzling. Not as puzzling as people who voted for Trump twice but still...a head-scratcher, for sure.
All it proves is that we can continue to observe, think, and grow. Unlike the bots on here who need programming.
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He’s been called effective because in the heyday of his Senate career it seemed he was far more centrist and gained a reputation as a compromiser.
I had initially hoped he’d bring that to the Oval Office but the staff around him have effectively ended that possibility.
Well, yeah, that’s because the Democratic Party has continued to move further and further to the left. Joe Biden has to naturally appease what is a large segment of the party now.

While I don’t see myself ever being a Democrat, it is sad to me that there is now more diversity of thought in that party than the GOP. I blame Trump and the stranglehold he has had on nearly all Republicans.

I sometimes still can’t believe it.
 
Every thread with his name in it you can find goldie simultaneously defending and "not voting" for him multiple times.
Because I value truth regardless you mean. 😉
I think DJT is self destructing but there’s no need to continue lying about things.
 
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I see what I consider a level of BS and ignorance and I call it out. Lots of hate and misinformation IMO.
You might need glasses. You looked at Trump TWICE and missed everything that made him Trump. His BS. His ignorance. His hate. His massive level of "misinformation" (i.e. lying through his teeth). Your hatred for Democrats made you twice pull the lever for the most reprehensible human being to ever sit in the Oval Office. You'll absolutely do it again.
 
He mangled this - as he often does - but the many American Jews who continue to vote Democratic is a legitimate observation. He is not the only person who finds it puzzling.
Just my opinion.
For most of my life most American Jews believed in liberal values - civil rights, democracy, education, science, religious toleration, and more.

The good old days.
 
Biden has never been an intellectual giant, true. But he has been an effective politician whether you agree with him or not.

We agree about how common idiots enjoying the perks of Washington D.C. is. I think we probably also agree that there should be term limits on legislators.
I honestly believe Biden’s greatest asset is he has experience in tge Senate and understands how it is designed to work. “Brilliant”? That word really is not a word used to describe a politician. Has there ever been one? I would prefer “effective”…..LBJ was effective…Bill Clinton was effective…not “brilliant”… Give me a person who gets shit done…Nancy Pelosi fits into that catagory, too…the pox upon Republicans in this century us that they have never had an effective leader in place…Newt might come as close to one but he was Clinton’s tool. The guy who was Junior’s “political advisor” was smart… but not ever in a position of a political leader.
 
You’re hysterical! 😂
Calling Republicans fascists reveals that you are a follower and not an independent thinker.
Tell me what a fascist is.
Go check with your handler if you need to.
I'm so sorry but not surprised that you don't know the meaning of fascist. If you knew how to use Google, you would find that Trump is a fascist as are many of his followers. I wouldn't be surprised if many definitions have a picture of Trump along with Mussolini and Hitler as examples. And I think the next independent thought you have will be your first.
 
Well, yeah, that’s because the Democratic Party has continued to move further and further to the left. Joe Biden has to naturally appease what is a large segment of the party now.

While I don’t see myself ever being a Democrat, it is sad to me that there is now more diversity of thought in that party than the GOP. I blame Trump and the stranglehold he has had on nearly all Republicans.

I sometimes still can’t believe it.
In what ways, citing policy, are democrats moving left? I'm genuinely curious. When compared to other democracies across the globe the Democratic party is considered centre-right. As a person that doesn't like either party, I think it appears that way because the R's have shifted far to the right.

Sorry to say, I don't think having an interview with Oprah qualifies as moving left. Getting endorsements from several hundred republicans, including Dick Cheney, does not qualify as left. As somebody who sees the Democratic party as a group that keeps adding "RINOs" masquerading as liberals, I'm curious how policy is shifting to the left, because I'm not seeing it.

If the claim is that the parties are growing more and more isolated and only voting along party lines, that I can agree with. I mean look at the border bill Kamala promises to pass - it's a republican bill. Having the most lethal military in the world is not a "leftist" position. Her unwavering support for Israel is not a leftist position. Support for fracking - the list goes on and on.

The Democratic party is pushing Kamala to the right to try to attract Republicans that are being abandoned by their party's move to the right, IMO, and she's still in a dead even heat with a twice impeached, 34x felon rapist. It's disgusting. The only "left" thing she's done is choose Walz as her running mate. Everything since has been the other direction.
 
When we lived in Dallas about a third of our neighbors were Jewish. Very successful and actually a pretty conservative demographic.
NEVER any discussion about politics but that was the norm for everyone regardless of your faith or background.
Our rep for the State Legislature was a conservative female Republican - who was Jewish.
She won because Texas and the Legislature was conservative and if you wanted to get things done and deliver for your District you needed to be in the Majority. Practical, correct?
If you look at areas where there are lots of voters who happen to be Jewish - like Manhattan - they keep voting Dem - and you end up with illegals living for free in about 25% of the city’s hotels, your taxes funding their healthcare, your streets and subways being even less safe, your taxes funding corrupt city officials, etc. all because of what? Loyalty? Guilt?
At the very least you should remember that you have the right and responsibility to demand that you have a livable city and the folks you voted for to perform capably in their jobs.

This is NOT limited to “Jewish voters” - or any other bloc of voters either.

It's hard for Jews to be republican when the republican party pushes christianity.
 
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