If we can’t agree on…

[RagnarLothbrok]

People who stormed the Capitol on 1/6 breaking shit and being violent deserve to be prosecuted and punished accordingly or that people here illegally who commit violent acts shouldn’t be summarily deported, then there really is no hope for the future of our country.

 

[GES4]

People who stormed the Capitol on 1/6 breaking shit and being violent deserve to be prosecuted and punished accordingly or that people here illegally who commit violent acts shouldn’t be summarily deported, then there really is no hope for the future of our country.

I agree with both of those things!!!!

 

[Aardvark86]

i agree with you on those things, though i always, always, always maintain an exceptionally deep reservoir of hope for our country ragnar

 

[ThorneStockton]

I get where you're going, but I think you're assuming that we are operating under a shared reality, a common understanding of what occurred, that doesn't exist here. Which to me, is one of the biggest disappointments and long term issue that has been amplified in the Trump era.

What you see as storming the Capitol on 1/6, breaking shit and being violent - a whole bunch of others see as legitimate political discourse, a set up by the Deep State - if that's your reality, then NO, they should not deserve to be prosecuted and punished. That's tyranny. And they're acting rationally based on their understanding of reality.

A similar distortion of reality could likely be created in terms of illegal immigrants who commit crimes, I'm just not familiar with the justification or if it's actually a widely held belief.

 

[ICHerky]

I agree as well. Those that committed violence or vandalism should be appropriately punished. However, too many were sentenced to ridiculous punishment and many that were prosecuted never should have been.

This day was so far overblown it’s pathetic. But it’s what politicians do and their sheeple lap it up.

 

[GES4]

I agree as well. Those that committed violence or vandalism should be appropriately punished. However, too many were sentenced to ridiculous punishment and many that were prosecuted never should have been.

This day was so far overblown it’s pathetic. But it’s what politicians do and their sheeple lap it up.

There are videos, you know.

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

I agree as well. Those that committed violence or vandalism should be appropriately punished. However, too many were sentenced to ridiculous punishment and many that were prosecuted never should have been.

This day was so far overblown it’s pathetic. But it’s what politicians do and their sheeple lap it up.

Sheeple. Nice. You get that from Facebook?

 

[Here_4_a_Day]

People who stormed the Capitol on 1/6 breaking shit and being violent deserve to be prosecuted and punished accordingly or that people here illegally who commit violent acts shouldn’t be summarily deported, then there really is no hope for the future of our country.

 

[artradley]

I agree as well. Those that committed violence or vandalism should be appropriately punished. However, too many were sentenced to ridiculous punishment and many that were prosecuted never should have been.

This day was so far overblown it’s pathetic. But it’s what politicians do and their sheeple lap it up.

The idea that a violent attack on our Capital in order to stop the certification of the election for our President is somehow "overblown" is a big part of the problem. JFC.

 

[Tom Paris]

I get where you're going, but I think you're assuming that we are operating under a shared reality, a common understanding of what occurred, that doesn't exist here. Which to me, is one of the biggest disappointments and long term issue that has been amplified in the Trump era.

What you see as storming the Capitol on 1/6, breaking shit and being violent - a whole bunch of others see as legitimate political discourse, a set up by the Deep State - if that's your reality, then NO, they should not deserve to be prosecuted and punished. That's tyranny. And they're acting rationally based on their understanding of reality.

A similar distortion of reality could likely be created in terms of illegal immigrants who commit crimes, I'm just not familiar with the justification or if it's actually a widely held belief.

Here 4 A Day is the perfect example of not being in reality, as I see he finds your post hilarious.

 

[OrlandNole]

However, too many were sentenced to ridiculous punishment and many that were prosecuted never should have been.

Such as?

 

[Here_4_a_Day]

People who stormed the Capitol on 1/6 breaking shit and being violent deserve to be prosecuted and punished accordingly or that people here illegally who commit violent acts shouldn’t be summarily deported, then there really is no hope for the future of our country.

I'm not sure how anyone can be foolish enough to compare 6 Jan's frat party with the murderous, criminal and financial carnage this nation has suffered from the scourge of our great ILLEGAL invasion.

 

[goldmom]

If we removed the politics of J6 from the equation then we would see that ANYONE who stormed the Capitol and did what these ragtag fools did would hell yes be arrested and thrown in jail.
That space is OUR house and it was a crime committed against all of us.

 

[Tom Paris]

I agree as well. Those that committed violence or vandalism should be appropriately punished. However, too many were sentenced to ridiculous punishment and many that were prosecuted never should have been.

This day was so far overblown it’s pathetic. But it’s what politicians do and their sheeple lap it up.

Tell the cops that were beaten that the day was overblown. They were looking to kill the Speaker of the House and the VP, but yeah, no biggie. Compare that day to EVERY OTHER counting of the votes day, LIKE YESTERDAY, and tell us it's overblown. You MAGAs are truly a special kind of special...in a REALLY bad way.

 

[Here_4_a_Day]

Here 4 A Day is the perfect example of not being in reality, as I see he finds your post hilarious.

Nestor is laughing at you! >

 

[goldmom]

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Separate issue. Are you able to argue your point without looking foolish?

 

[Tom Paris]

If we removed the politics of J6 from the equation then we would see that ANYONE who stormed the Capitol and did what these ragtag fools did would hell yes be arrested and thrown in jail.
That space is OUR house and it was a crime committed against all of us.

100%

 

[Here_4_a_Day]

If we removed the politics of J6 from the equation then we would see that ANYONE who stormed the Capitol and did what these ragtag fools did would hell yes be arrested and thrown in jail.
That space is OUR house and it was a crime committed against all of us.

As quickly as [they] were in 2017??

 

[Jerome Silberman]

People who stormed the Capitol on 1/6 breaking shit and being violent deserve to be prosecuted and punished accordingly or that people here illegally who commit violent acts shouldn’t be summarily deported, then there really is no hope for the future of our country.

What's your hope level at 25 minutes later?

 

[Here_4_a_Day]

Separate issue. Are you able to argue your point without looking foolish?

Ummm....Fagnaar linked them, no??

 

[hexumhawk]

People who stormed the Capitol on 1/6 breaking shit and being violent deserve to be prosecuted and punished accordingly or that people here illegally who commit violent acts shouldn’t be summarily deported, then there really is no hope for the future of our country.

I agree with you but the highlighted is the issue. You had way too many people that got punished beyond ridiculously (IMO) for their actions. That is probably were you will find the most disagreements.

 

[goldmom]

Ummm....Fagnaar linked them, no??

I don’t think it’s a clear link. It’s possible to support what he says about one and not the other.
Stop and think about it.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

If we removed the politics of J6 from the equation then we would see that ANYONE who stormed the Capitol and did what these ragtag fools did would hell yes be arrested and thrown in jail.
That space is OUR house and it was a crime committed against all of us.

This is true. Now address violations of the Eighth Amendment.

 

[Here_4_a_Day]

I don’t think it’s a clear link. It’s possible to support what he says about one and not the other.
Stop and think about it.

That made about as much sense as a bunch of Florida dweebs ranting and raving all day on an Iowa message board.

 

[goldmom]

That made about as much sense as a bunch of Florida dweebs ranting and raving all day on an Iowa message board.

I see I’ve made my point.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

I agree with you but the highlighted is the issue. You had way too many people that got punished beyond ridiculously (IMO) for their actions. That is probably were you will find the most disagreements.

Find a person who you believe was convicted and sentenced “beyond ridiculously” for their actions and shoot us a link to their plea agreement.

 

[goldmom]

This is true. Now address violations of the Eighth Amendment.

No need IMO.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

This is true. Now address violations of the Eighth Amendment.

Shoot is a link to a sentence and plea agreement you believe to be cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

If J6 participants can be convicted and jailed for entering a restricted area - no violence or destruction of property - just being there, then illegals should suffer the same consequences.

You want to jail 70 yr old grandmas for walking peacefully through federal buildings, holding a flag and taking pictures? Fine. Then hold Jose from Venezuela accountable for swimming across the Rio Grande and trespassing on our land.

Effing hypocrites.

Federal court rules even passive Jan. 6 protestors who were inside Capitol can be convicted | Fox News

The court found that individuals who trespassed into the Capitol and stayed passive still contributed to the disruptive protest

www.foxnews.com

 

[Here_4_a_Day]

I see I’ve made my point.

That you support this...yes you have >

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

If you ran past Capitol security and police and into the Capitol building on a normal day, you would expect to be arrested and prosecuted, if not shot.

Why do people act like that day was no big deal?

 

[McLovin32]

Some Americans: "America is too soft on crime!!! We need harsher penalties that'll make people think twice before they do something stupid!"

Same Americans: "Some of those folks that attempted to stop the certification of the election and assaulted law enforcement officers and violently broke into the US Capitol got punished too severely"

 

[Tom Paris]

If you ran past Capitol security and police and into the Capitol building on a normal day, you would expect to be arrested and prosecuted, if not shot.

Why do people act like that day was no big deal?

It fits their narrative.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

If you ran past Capitol security and police and into the Capitol building on a normal day, you would expect to be arrested and prosecuted, if not shot.

Why do people act like that day was no big deal?

Honestly, because they're f@cked in the head.

 

[mnole03]

If J6 participants can be convicted and jailed for entering a restricted area - no violence or destruction of property - just being there, then illegals should suffer the same consequences.

You want to jail 70 yr old grandmas for walking peacefully through federal buildings, holding a flag and taking pictures? Fine. Then hold Jose from Venezuela accountable for swimming across the Rio Grande and trespassing on our land.

Effing hypocrites.

Federal court rules even passive Jan. 6 protestors who were inside Capitol can be convicted | Fox News

The court found that individuals who trespassed into the Capitol and stayed passive still contributed to the disruptive protest

www.foxnews.com

If you depart from a White House tour, walk towards the West Wing, and ignore Secret Service when they order you to stop, what do you think would happen?

 

[BioHawk]

This is true. Now address violations of the Eighth Amendment.

Considering the penalty for treason is death and none of the people convicted have been given the death penalty I'd say things line up pretty well there. Some might argue the punishments are not be tough enough.

 

[WadeLookingbill]

Some Americans: "America is too soft on crime!!! We need harsher penalties that'll make people think twice before they do something stupid!"

Same Americans: "Some of those folks that attempted to stop the certification of the election and assaulted law enforcement officers and violently broke into the US Capitol got punished too severely"

Bingo. This times eleventybazillion. The mental gymnastics (or maybe just idiocy) from some people is astounding.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

If you depart from a White House tour, walk towards the West Wing, and ignore Secret Service when they order you to stop, what do you think would happen?

Situation out of control. You can just imagine the law enforcement officers in this video forcefully whispering “STOP!”

Same approach used at the southern border, it seems.

 

[BrianNole777]

Americans can't agree on anything these days.

It's a country in steep decline, IMO.

 

[artradley]

Such as?

He doesn’t actually know of any. It’s a matter of faith.