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You must love President Biden...If J6 participants can be convicted and jailed for entering a restricted area - no violence or destruction of property - just being there, then illegals should suffer the same consequences.
You want to jail 70 yr old grandmas for walking peacefully through federal buildings, holding a flag and taking pictures? Fine. Then hold Jose from Venezuela accountable for swimming across the Rio Grande and trespassing on our land.
Effing hypocrites.
Federal court rules even passive Jan. 6 protestors who were inside Capitol can be convicted | Fox News
The court found that individuals who trespassed into the Capitol and stayed passive still contributed to the disruptive protestwww.foxnews.com
US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's 2019 record
President Biden had pledged to pause deportations, but ended up expanding it following a surge in border crossings.
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I usually vote for Democrats, probably 75/25. I know a lot of Democrats. We often host small gatherings of family and friends in our home, they likely split 75/25 for Democrats as well. I'm confident that my wife and I are on a first name basis and tipped a glass with well over a thousand Democrats and several hundred Republicans to boot. To this very day I have yet to hear anyone of these people, of either party, say that any illegal immigrant that commits and is convicted of a violent crime should not be deported. Not a single one.
Let us not confuse immigrants who illegally cross our border to pursue a better life with the violent felons that cross the border with them.
Let us not confuse immigrants who illegally cross our border to pursue a better life with the violent felons that cross the border with them.
There is no objective reality now. Everything is spin with different versions of "reality".
Did people storm the Capitol on 1/6 and break shit? Were they violent?
I heard it was a tour of friendly sight-seeing folk, laughing and sharing old stories with the cops that were smiling and letting them in. The media (also ANTIFA and "the deep state") tricked us all into thinking it was a riot.
That is remarkably similar to what I just posted. Guess I should have read past the first post.
My first real opinions on gun control/immigration coincided when I was a block away from both of the Iowa City Gang Lu shootings. "If you come to my country and feel like you need to own a gun, then maybe you shouldn't be here."
Welcome to the age of social media. If no one saw it then people are lying about it happening. If someone did see it happen then they are lying about it. If there's video of what happened then it must have been edited by the other side. If there's lots of unedited video showing the same incident then it was actually the other side doing it. If that it was proven that your side DID do it, then point to something the other side did that supposedly was worse or downplay it like it was no big deal anyway.
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The gif of that scene had more impact (no pun intended) but I can't seem to find it now. The incoming deep state likely purged it from the internet!!!
Nothing like seeing a patriot swing the American flag at a cop on the ground covering their head. Greatness in action.
Amplifying the point that you are advocating killing people for crimes they have not been charged with?
Politicians are all sociopaths; none of them should be loved, respected or trusted.You must love President Biden...
US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's 2019 record
President Biden had pledged to pause deportations, but ended up expanding it following a surge in border crossings.
Amplifying the point that they should have been charged with treason. Pretending to be a complete idiot because you think you are making a witty point is not helping your argument.
It's a shame no one loved, respected or placed trust in you during your childhood and preteen years because your teenage years are awful angsty.
Oh, I see. "They should have been charged with treason"? I'm sure your vast experience in charging crimes gives you a great deal of credibility.
Orchestrated by the leader of the GOP and current President-elect. THAT'S the issue
"Orchestrated".... seems like something they should have been able to prove over the last 4 years.
How did you jump from "he didn't do anything for 100+ minutes" to "he Orchestrated" it?
Do tell.
Oh, so you aren't pretending. They tried to overthrow an election and execute the VP of the United States. You don't need to be a lawyer to understand that directly taking up arms against the United States of America is treason.
You're such a dumb shit.. there's really nothing more to say
Well, first, you get people who have been subpoenaed to show up to their hearings, or throw their asses in jail until they talk. But that never happened. Also, don't pick an AG who would rather take acid baths than do anything to prosecute the attack that happened. I think not going after these people is a big part of why morale with Democrats is so low and why it was hard to get them to turn out in November.
Most of us live in the real world. The DOJ has been aggressive in pursuing violators. If they believed the offense of treason occurred, you can be certain that they would have filed charges.
REally, and I was going to type bullshit. "Seeing is Believing", the age old saying of logic and reason. And hearing also. We have extreme amounts of video of that attack and the videos helped ID the culprits. And these were no deep state actors.
People need to grow up and own up to the fact that we have a totally effed up electorate and citizenry. Do you really think that the main goal of Repubs in power, which is to give as much money to the top 1-5%, is the best thing for this country. At this rate we will be the country of Kings/Royalty and serfs and slaves.
PUndits and others are trying to be way too deep in psychological jargon and trying to explain how 17% of maga believe now that Jan 6th was "nothing" "tourists" "not an angry mob" etc
Seeing is believing and I saw a very angry mob attack police and I hear then yell they wanted to hang Mike Pence. There is zero way of giving batshit crazy doubters on this topic a way out. They are terrible in their thinking about this.
I know, it's hard to believe. Thankfully the existence of the video evidence is likely why some of the deplorables like Northern and similar posters will concede that there were 'some' bad actors that should be punished but then quickly follow up by saying that many were punished far too much or some other injustice, or they'll try to change the subject to riots/destruction that they associate with the other side.
So some of them know what happened was bad, but they'll try to minimize it or deflect from it. But there are many that have swallowed the whitewashing either whole or nearly whole.
There was a perfect balance of having a poor loser at the top to Covid rules making for an election that was going to be heavily scrutinized (or even undermined). Millions of people went to bed thinking that Trump was winning, to waking up finding that Biden had received 80% of the mail-in vote. Biden having allegedly received 81.3 million votes while campaigning from his basement should stick out like a sore thumb to most people was another ground for people to have doubt about the legitimacy of the election.
Even with all that, a tiny fraction of people threw a fit. Go ahead & prosecute them.
I don't agree with what happened and I'm not standing up for them. But many people thought the election was stolen (at this point, I'm not sure either). With that said, our founders were thought of the same way by the British. Sometimes good things come from bad things, in this case, our government got scared.
You're a decent example: "even undermined", "allegedly received", "stick out like a sore thumb". When it comes to identifying reality, some people use things like evidence, rationale, logic, but for others reality can be twisted into what is comfortable and what one wants to believe is true.
And sure, a tiny fraction of people participated in the insurrection, but what made it unique is that the former and future President helped foment it all and did little to stop it, that's particularly noteworthy. What's also interesting is that for some people, trying to hang the Vice President and disrupting the transfer of power and acceptance of an election is more than just 'throwing a fit'.
The DOJ was not nearly as aggressive as it should have been in pursuing these people. They did fine going after the soldiers, but they did nothing to go after the lieutenants and Generals. The DOJ has left us endangered because there are zero incentives to keep this from happening again.
Sure. The most popular president of our time received, what, 68 million votes in 2012? Then Biden (who was running 4th in his own primary, until Obama told everyone to line up) gets over 81M? Now, maybe the answer is that the relaxed (Covid) voting rules get the credit for that...but it makes it easy for people to be skeptical. Add to that the 2020 election running counter to the "Bellwether county" predictor...and again, there's a statistical reason to dive deeper. At the end of the day, I trust that most of these issues were fairly litigated, and I wish hadn't behaved the way that they did...but to some extent, I understand the skepticism.
Kamala Harris received over 75 million votes. Does that mean that she was the most popular vice president of all time? Let me answer that for you: No. Trump drives up the vote, both for and against him. Classic divisive authoritarian.
