Imar - Nolf

[jvclark]

That match is all that is good about wrestling. Action from the first whistle to the end.

That is the match I would want a first time wrestling fan to watch. Or anyone that just happened to turn to ESPN to see what was on tv.

Congrats to both of those kids.

 

[AFHawk86]

I agree except for the SW on Imart when he was taking the majority of the shots. He took more shots in the 3rd as well, despite backing up.

 

[Azchief32]

I don't think Nolf got in on a legit shot if I recall and IMar gets the stall call. It was a pleasure to watch it but damn if the refs are screwing up on the stalls are bad...psst, yes, even in the Clark/Garett match

 

[hawknut]

That was a boss takedown at the end by IMar. Absolutely proved he was better

 

[Stanley75]

Great match for sure. Ties with the HW match for best matches of the tournament. Man both those guys are good Imar is just a touch better. Glad to see some of the PSU guys go down wish 125 would have went down also.

 

[rossel 33]

I agree except for the SW on Imart when he was taking the majority of the shots. He took more shots in the 3rd as well, despite backing up.

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Dinging Imar for stalling was absurd. Quite a contrast to Megaludis, who only got a late warning after backing away almost the entire 3rd period.

 

[DirkTang1]

174 would be my vote, if we're talking about introducing someone to wrestling. Those guys got after it. Maybe not as technical as Nolf and IMAR, but that's my two cents.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

I'm just happy a Penn State wrestler lost.

Not enough people are rooting against Penn State in wrestling as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Hawknado]

People root against Iowa because of the in your face attitude of the coaches. I'm sorry but anyone outside of Iowa probably looks at Cael and think he's not such a bad guy. It might be time to do away with the mentally unstable sides of things and get to being not such bad guys.

 

[NittanyChris]

The OP is right on the mark. A fantastic match that exemplifies all that wrestling should be, by two great kids. It was filled with great technique, nonstop action and incredible heart. It was a great match to grow the sport and I tip my hat to both kids. I only hope that they both remain at 157, because I'd love to see them wrestle each other more and I'd love to see Nolf get another shot at him.

 

[jvclark]

174 would be my vote, if we're talking about introducing someone to wrestling. Those guys got after it. Maybe not as technical as Nolf and IMAR, but that's my two cents.

Hard to argue with both 174 and HWeight being the best matches of the night. I had only seen the 157 at the time I wrote this post.

You couldn't argue with any of them

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

I'm just happy a Penn State wrestler lost.

Not enough people are rooting against Penn State in wrestling as far as I'm concerned.

Trust me there are I learned that this weekend if I didn't know it already

 

[BDB57]

In the 157 match I was pleased that the ref called stalemates quicker than most and it kept the action moving. I was surprised he didn't call it in the last minute like he did earlier, much like refs fail to call stalling till the last period if not the last 45 seconds.

I applaud Imar for winning and think Nolf missed his chance when he countered Imar's attempted throw and Nolf countered with his throw to Imars back but couldn't quite get control.

Agree with all that this type of action is that the sport needs.....badly!

 

[pablow]

I enjoyed this match. What I really like is watching Imar grow up and become a true champion. The vast difference between Freshman Imar and Sophmore Imar should make mom and late-father very proud.

 

[matter7172]

I'm just happy a Penn State wrestler lost.

Not enough people are rooting against Penn State in wrestling as far as I'm concerned.

That's just weird. I'm just happy Penn State, even with losing in three finals matches, had greater than 25% more points than the closest competitor. It could have easily been more than 35%.

PS - Penn State had more than 50% more points than Iowa. Consider that for a bit.

 

[DirkTang1]

Hard to argue with both 174 and HWeight being the best matches of the night. I had only seen the 157 at the time I wrote this post.

You couldn't argue with any of them

Spot on my friend!

 

[The catman]

Why do you think he was glad a Penn. St. guy lost? Can't a guy be happy to slow the blood letting down a notch. Sheesh!

 

[DirkTang1]

All in all, aside from our guys going 0-3, I'd say it was a very entertaining finals.

 

[jvclark]

That's just weird. I'm just happy Penn State, even with losing in three finals matches, had greater than 25% more points than the closest competitor. It could have easily been more than 35%.

PS - Penn State had more than 50% more points than Iowa. Consider that for a bit.

Consider this for a bit. This thread was about the quality of wrestling we saw in a match last night. And subsequently a few other amazing matches as well. Two of which had PSU wrestlers in them. I know you won. Everyone on this forum knows you won.

It seems that Nolf and Nickel handled their losses with much more class than you are handling the tourney win.

Maybe you can learn something from that or better yet, just spend more time on your own message board.

 

[matter7172]

Consider this for a bit. This thread was about the quality of wrestling we saw in a match last night. And subsequently a few other amazing matches as well. Two of which had PSU wrestlers in them. I know you won. Everyone on this forum knows you won.

It seems that Nolf and Nickel handled their losses with much more class than you are handling the tourney win.

Maybe you can learn something from that or better yet, just spend more time on your own message board.

As far as I know, I was responding to someone saying that he/she a) was happy a Penn State wrestler lost and b) didn't think enough people are rooting against Penn State in wrestling. I think that is kind of weird.

I guess I could have just accused him of handling defeat with very little class. Would that have been better? It wasn't like I started a thread telling this board that Penn State won the tournament.

Why is it a very common response here to suggest people leave this board when you don't agree with them? Seems kind of childish.

 

[Azchief32]

As far as I know, I was responding to someone saying that he/she a) was happy a Penn State wrestler lost and b) didn't think enough people are rooting against Penn State in wrestling. I think that is kind of weird.

I guess I could have just accused him of handling defeat with very little class. Would that have been better? It wasn't like I started a thread telling this board that Penn State won the tournament.

Why is it a very common response here to suggest people leave this board when you don't agree with them? Seems kind of childish.

Tom said it best on BWI about how to handle winning in relation to other teams. Folks are always going to be happy that guys from the top team lose matches...you should take it as a compliment. Folks have been rooting against us for years. Like some of our fans acted when we were winning, there will be PSU fans around to stick it in our face at every opportunity. So...you can be that guy who ignores the haters or you can be the guy who responds.

As for leaving this board, you are here voluntarily. I will say, having posted on both boards, that BWI folks are more sensitive and react strongly at even a hint of a negative PSU opinion. If you guys had half the trolls we do, Tom's foot would be tired after kicking people off BWI...but that doesn't happen here.

 

[DirkTang1]

As far as I know, I was responding to someone saying that he/she a) was happy a Penn State wrestler lost and b) didn't think enough people are rooting against Penn State in wrestling. I think that is kind of weird.

I guess I could have just accused him of handling defeat with very little class. Would that have been better? It wasn't like I started a thread telling this board that Penn State won the tournament.

Why is it a very common response here to suggest people leave this board when you don't agree with them? Seems kind of childish.

Consider this. If you stayed on your board, we wouldn't have to ask you to leave ours. Something to think about.

 

[matter7172]

So...you can be that guy who ignores the haters or you can be the guy who responds.

You have a good point. When someone trolls (I think you can still troll even if you are on your "own" board - another somewhat odd concept since it's an open forum), I don't need to respond. This time I did respond.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

In the 157 match I was pleased that the ref called stalemates quicker than most and it kept the action moving. I was surprised he didn't call it in the last minute like he did earlier, much like refs fail to call stalling till the last period if not the last 45 seconds.

I applaud Imar for winning and think Nolf missed his chance when he countered Imar's attempted throw and Nolf countered with his throw to Imars back but couldn't quite get control.

Agree with all that this type of action is that the sport needs.....badly!

Excellent point about the ref calling stalemates quicker when both guys were on their feet. Avoided the long, boring tie-ups that we see too much of. Would like this to become the norm rather than the exception.

 

[jvclark]

As far as I know, I was responding to someone saying that he/she a) was happy a Penn State wrestler lost and b) didn't think enough people are rooting against Penn State in wrestling. I think that is kind of weird.

I guess I could have just accused him of handling defeat with very little class. Would that have been better? It wasn't like I started a thread telling this board that Penn State won the tournament.

Why is it a very common response here to suggest people leave this board when you don't agree with them? Seems kind of childish.

Dear Matter7172:

I never asked you to leave nor even told you to do so, just suggested that you might be better off on your own board.

I started this thread as a way to talk about some great wrestling that I/we saw last night. Your post in turn changed it into something else completely, either as an opportunity to 1. prove to Iowa fans that PSU won(which we all know), 2. To just poke jabs and subsequently ruin a good conversation or 3. To astound us with your basic math skills.

No matter the case, you changed this from a positive conversation about the sport that we all love to whatever this is. I for one, personally don't care if you want to come on our board to brag(although I don't know understand the desire/need to do so--I have never once been on your board), but only ask that if you do feel the need, that you start your own thread and leave conversations like this to serious wrestling fans.

 

[nyc10007]

All in all, aside from our guys going 0-3, I'd say it was a very entertaining finals.

Realistically, none of the 3 finalists were favored:

Gilman had never beaten Megaludis. But that was the most winnable of the 3.

Clark is a great, great wrestler, but his 2 finals matches were against Brewer and Garrett, both dominant, dominant wrestlers. He realistically couldn't have been favored in either one.

And Sorenson was in against arguably the most dominant wrestler in the country. Again, he couldn't have been favored, realistically.

So 3 tough, tough guys. But it wasn't in the cards.

 

[minnhawkeye]

As far as I know, I was responding to someone saying that he/she a) was happy a Penn State wrestler lost and b) didn't think enough people are rooting against Penn State in wrestling. I think that is kind of weird.

I guess I could have just accused him of handling defeat with very little class. Would that have been better? It wasn't like I started a thread telling this board that Penn State won the tournament.

Why is it a very common response here to suggest people leave this board when you don't agree with them? Seems kind of childish.

Not childish sir just fact. When you are winning everyone hates you guess maybe you not old enough to know that everyone in wrestling has hated Iowa for over 40 years and we kind of liked it because we where winning. So get use to hate sir wait till the whole arena cheers everytime one of yours goes down or does something wrong lets see if you can be man enough to handle it.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

That's just weird. I'm just happy Penn State, even with losing in three finals matches, had greater than 25% more points than the closest competitor. It could have easily been more than 35%.

PS - Penn State had more than 50% more points than Iowa. Consider that for a bit.

I'll consider it the next time Penn State loses the national title.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

As far as I know, I was responding to someone saying that he/she a) was happy a Penn State wrestler lost and b) didn't think enough people are rooting against Penn State in wrestling. I think that is kind of weird. (I dont......I don't think that's weird at all. Everyone still cheers against Iowa, not for their opponent unless they're fans of that team. This includes Penn State fans. You'll always root for Ohio State or Oklahoma State or Minnesota guys to beat an Iowa guy, which is just wrong in every way.

Oh and what I said was originally in jest.

......but still true. )

I guess I could have just accused him of handling defeat with very little class. (Arbitrary and pointless.) Would that have been better? (Iowa winning the national championship would've been better. Try harder next time to make sure that happens.) It wasn't like I started a thread telling this board that Penn State won the tournament.

Why is it a very common response here to suggest people leave this board when you don't agree with them? Seems kind of childish.

I look at is as the same as disagreeing with someone in their house. You're in their house. And they own a concealed weapon. And a dog. Not a vicious dog. But he does pee on shoes.

 

[matter7172]

I look at is as the same as disagreeing with someone in their house. You're in their house. And they own a concealed weapon. And a dog. Not a vicious dog. But he does pee on shoes.

Oh, lord. Give it a rest. I've been on internet boards for almost 20 years. As long as someone isn't engaging in personal attacks and flaming, everyone should learn to be cool. It's not your forum. If you want a forum, you are free to pay for a forum and set up your own rules. You can throw out anyone who doesn't engage in group think. Check out the history of the eRobertParker board sometime. Of course, they went from having a big board with a lot of members and discussion to one with few members and a little discussion. But maybe you'd be more comfortable with that. And, of course, you'd have to pay for the privilege of being the dictator of a small country.

People don't cheer against Penn State enough because their coach is a likable guy (maybe more than likable) and the program, over all, churns out guys who are fun to watch and have fun doing it. Add in the palpable "team" spirit and they are hard not to like. When Iowa was winning, they acted like someone's dog had just pissed on their shoes, even though they were winning. That's the reason people didn't like them. That's just my opinion, though.

 

[AFHawk86]

Oh, lord. Give it a rest. I've been on internet boards for almost 20 years.

That's a long, long time to have been on internet boards. Did you invent the internet? I thought that notoriety belonged to Al Gore!