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I think it was worth it even though the loss of Joe T pains me....started Iowa on the run the ended with their finishing the B1G season on an 8-2 run, then they swept through 4 games to win the B1G tournament in a record-setting way. Joe has since transferred. Was it worth it?
Wut? Tony replaced bohannon at the 2 and bohannon replaced Joe as point guard. Tony was never the PG....started Iowa on the run the ended with their finishing the B1G season on an 8-2 run, then they swept through 4 games to win the B1G tournament in a record-setting way. Joe has since transferred. Was it worth it?
He didn't say he replaced him as the point guard. He said he replaced him in the starting lineup which he did. Joe T went to the bench and Tony P started. The other 4 starters remained the same thus he is correct in saying he replaced him the starting lineup.I'm not sure I understand the premise of the question. Perkins didn't replace JoeT. Perkins replaced Jbo at the 2 and Jbo took the point from Joe. There was never a spot for Joe at the 2. This year's point guard play will determine whether it was worth it or not.
Semantics. Tony could have been inserted as the 2 guard without removing Joe at the point. Moving Jbo to the point is what effectively removed Joe, who is a true point guard from the lineup.He didn't say he replaced him as the point guard. He said he replaced him in the starting lineup which he did. Joe T went to the bench and Tony P started. The other 4 starters remained the same thus he is correct in saying he replaced him the starting lineup.
You play to win the game
I like the point about Tony still having a higher ceiling that he can get to.....he clearly has good size for a guard and really good ups for a guard....where he can improve even more is in those guard type skills.Yes. I think JoeT had reached his ceiling at Iowa- what we saw is what we were gonna get. I also think that Tony has a much higher ceiling, and that run of games in the second half of the year will pay many dividends in the next 2 years. I know they play different positions, but the lineup including TonyP > the lineup including JoeT.
In effect Tony replaced Joe as a starter. That was my question was based on, not who played point. No other premise is even applicable considering what I am asking.I'm not sure I understand the premise of the question. Perkins didn't replace JoeT. Perkins replaced Jbo at the 2 and Jbo took the point from Joe. There was never a spot for Joe at the 2. This year's point guard play will determine whether it was worth it or not.
Not really. That lineup didn't send Iowa on the run they had. I can't imagine it would have, either.Semantics. Tony could have been inserted as the 2 guard without removing Joe at the point. Moving Jbo to the point is what effectively removed Joe, who is a true point guard from the lineup.
What do you mean "not really". It's irrelevant. Nobody really knows what would have happened and the fact of the matter is Tony didn't replace Joe at the point. Jbo did. End of story.Not really. That lineup didn't send Iowa on the run they had. I can't imagine it would have, either.
Whatever. You can't change the facts. Tony obviously fit the lineup better. Joe didn't.What do you mean "not really". It's irrelevant. Nobody really knows what would have happened and the fact of the matter is Tony didn't replace Joe at the point. Jbo did. End of story.
I'm sure I'm following. Was it worth it to put a starting line-up together that delivered an 8-2 record at the possible expense of losing a guy that didn't play well enough to keep a spot?...started Iowa on the run the ended with their finishing the B1G season on an 8-2 run, then they swept through 4 games to win the B1G tournament in a record-setting way. Joe has since transferred. Was it worth it?
Oh yeah? You'd start Patrick over Kris?Nothing against Joe T. but he's the definition of a replacement level player. The lineup last year at the end of the season was easily the best lineup. You play to win the game, especially when you have a player like Keegan on the roster who you're going to lose after the season.
Joe had a great reasonI don't generally pull for a Hawk that transfers unless they have a good reason (such as Nunge), but I will hope that Joe finds happiness at West Virginia and has a good year.
What was his great reason?Joe had a great reason
Oh yeah? You'd start Patrick over Kris?
I tend to think it was mostly Keegan carrying the team either way with some excellent play from Kris on occasion.I think it was worth it even though the loss of Joe T pains me.
It will become more apparent this year whether Perkins taking Joe T's minutes was the catalyst for the run or whether it was simply moving JBo to the point.
It was though. Putting a player (JBo) "back" into the position that they've been successfully playing their career is a bold move!? Fran knew what he had with JBo at point and took the ball from Joe to put JBo back in that role because of the points you made. Tony > Joe was the switch that resulted and and it paid off imo. I'm really looking forward to watching the Hawks this season and wish luck to Joe with his opportunity in WV.This wasn’t Tony for Joe; it was two starters being replaced. When the switch to Perkins was made JBo was struggling to shoot but was also struggling to defend B1G 2 guards. JBo’s minutes at the 2 needed a big adjustment. Perkins starting was common sense.
But then JBo over Joe T at PG, No one saw coming. Fran rolled the dice on JBo.
JBo had a little resurgence, but the big difference was Perkins at the 2.
Honestly they were pretty close. I would have but it's not like it was way out of line.
I tend to think it was mostly Keegan carrying the team either way with some excellent play from Kris on occasion.
I don't think who else was playing mattered all that much.
Sorry not semantics. Say a starter was benched, and another person was put in the starting lineup. The position they play is irrelevant. If a team takes out their center and moves their power forward into the position of the center and brings in another power forward, the person that was replaced is not the power forward. It is the center.Semantics. Tony could have been inserted as the 2 guard without removing Joe at the point. Moving Jbo to the point is what effectively removed Joe, who is a true point guard from the lineup.
Keegan was incredible almost every game, on both ends. Still, I agree with your overall point that it is not a 1 on 5 game. I think you can't just single out five guys either. In particular, saying Rebraca didn't matter overlooks what he did for the team. He definitely gets the award for the most underappreciated player on the team. If he isn't there, how do they fill 40 min at center? Minutes by JoeT, Ulis and Sandfort also mattered.Their minutes per game from Feb 6 (OP’s initial post) on are not far off. Either was their production, especially in the post season. This is even with Patrick missing two games with an injury late in the reg season.
Of course starting Kris over Patrick at the 3 means more minutes for Mulvey and/Josh O since we’re basically moving Kris from the 5 to the 3 without a trusted reserve for Rebraca. Makes sense.
You don’t think a guy who averaged 12.8 ppg over this stretch, set Iowa’s 3 pt fgs made in a single game, and hit a buzzer beater for a win to send Iowa to the BTT finals mattered all that much?
Keegan carried the team absolutely. There were four other guys who definitely mattered. Kris, JBo, Perkins and Patrick all mattered. When any two of these guys were on along with Keegan, Iowa could have played with any team in the country. Iowa doesn’t finish 12-3 without Patrick, Perkins, JBo, and Kris.
Absolutely. The Best Defensive team I have ever seen under Fran....started Iowa on the run the ended with their finishing the B1G season on an 8-2 run, then they swept through 4 games to win the B1G tournament in a record-setting way. Joe has since transferred. Was it worth it?
Correct. I don't think there was a significant difference overall between JBo and Toussaint. One was bad offensively, one bad defensively.Their minutes per game from Feb 6 (OP’s initial post) on are not far off. Either was their production, especially in the post season. This is even with Patrick missing two games with an injury late in the reg season.
Of course starting Kris over Patrick at the 3 means more minutes for Mulvey and/Josh O since we’re basically moving Kris from the 5 to the 3 without a trusted reserve for Rebraca. Makes sense.
You don’t think a guy who averaged 12.8 ppg over this stretch, set Iowa’s 3 pt fgs made in a single game, and hit a buzzer beater for a win to send Iowa to the BTT finals mattered all that much?
Keegan carried the team absolutely. There were four other guys who definitely mattered. Kris, JBo, Perkins and Patrick all mattered. When any two of these guys were on along with Keegan, Iowa could have played with any team in the country. Iowa doesn’t finish 12-3 without Patrick, Perkins, JBo, and Kris.
Jordan outplayed Joe after the change AINEC. Look at the +-s.Correct. I don't think there was a significant difference overall between JBo and Toussaint. One was bad offensively, one bad defensively.
I think it comes out pretty much the same either way.
Not playing them at the same time was probably more significant than who was actually on the floor.
Iowas fortunes were directly correlated to whether or not Keegan was in foul trouble.
Keegan was incredible almost every game, on both ends. Still, I agree with your overall point that it is not a 1 on 5 game. I think you can't just single out five guys either. In particular, saying Rebraca didn't matter overlooks what he did for the team. He definitely gets the award for the most underappreciated player on the team. If he isn't there, how do they fill 40 min at center? Minutes by JoeT, Ulis and Sandfort also mattered.