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Interesting news coming out about about Freddy Gray

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Apparently there was another prisoner in the van with him. Stated to authorities that Mr. Gray was throwing himself and banging his head into the walls of the police van trying to hurt himself.

Now...there is still the issue that the police denied him medical attention........which is not good if that actually happened.
Always more to the story than the BS narrative.......just like with Michael Brown.......far more to the story.

But our idiot populace has to react and tear up their neighborhoods before the story can unfold.
 
I'll just ask this here instead of looking it up, but were there any cops with Gray? Do we know if it was him banging against the walls or could it have been somebody banging him against the wall.
 
Well, I'm on record here saying I think the police gave him a rough ride.... but maybe that isn't true. It certainly seemed the most probable scenario. Too bad they don't have video. I guess the lesson, as always, is to wait for as many facts as possible. But, we still don't know anything for sure.

Of course, I'm also on record stating the blacks in Baltimore are embarrassing themselves by taking the actions they are taking. If this turns out to be "HANDS UP" part two, it is going to set black culture even further back. As it is, I don't think black culture can "win" anything out of this with the average American paying attention.
 
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Nice find....

I don't know that it brings any clarity, but is interesting.

Also a reporter from that station supposedly said on The last Word tonight that the report of what the prisoner said does not match up with the timeline. I haven't been able to find the actual quote by the reporter so take it for what its worth. :)

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WBAL's @jemillerwbal refutes prisoner's claim in WaPo report that #FreddieGray tried hurting himself: "timeline & the evidence don't match"
 
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Well, I'm on record here saying I think the police gave him a rough ride.... but maybe that isn't true. It certainly seemed the most probable scenario. Too bad they don't have video. I guess the lesson, as always, is to wait for as many facts as possible. But, we still don't know anything for sure.

Of course, I'm also on record stating the blacks in Baltimore are embarrassing themselves by taking the actions they are taking. If this turns out to be "HANDS UP" part two, it is going to set black culture even further back. As it is, I don't think black culture can "win" anything out of this with the average American paying attention.
Once again, our president has jumped the gun in commenting on a story without all the facts. Barack Obama has decided that the death of Freddie Gray is a racial issue – blaming cops and societal ills – before the facts have been released.
 
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Once again, our president has jumped the gun in commenting on a story without all the facts. Barack Obama has decided that the death of Freddie Gray is a racial issue – blaming cops and societal ills – before the facts have been released.

That's funny, there were people on here too, already demanding the cops by put in jail. Not saying that still may not be true if but the logic on this board without knowing ANY of the facts and demanding jail is really really scary. Let's face it, to this point we still don't know what exactly happened.
 
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I haven't seen it....but from what I understand, listening......it was a short trip, and nothing faster than surface street speeds.

Im still having a big problem with the 30 minute span before he was put in the ambulance.

I also have trouble with using the idea that he was slamming himself around the van as a defense of the cops. Once you take someone into custody, you're assuming responsibility for their well-being. Gray, if the report is true that he was slamming himself around, has some blame on himself, but I would think police could do better at securing prisoners......then obviously the long delay before medical care was beyond the pale.

Also, those werne't simply injuries, somehow (whether by his own efforts or someone else's), he had an obviously very major spinal injury. Maybe he could have inflicted that on himself by going headfirst into a wall, but there would be serious effort there to make that happen.
 
Once again, our president has jumped the gun in commenting on a story without all the facts. Barack Obama has decided that the death of Freddie Gray is a racial issue – blaming cops and societal ills – before the facts have been released.

And once again you choose to place everything at the feet of Barack Obama. He only said that there is a "slow rolling" crisis of police violence against blacks (true). He also said that society won't address root causes (true). He didn't blame the police he blamed society, which is also true. I urge you to actually read his comments instead of repeating the right wing propaganda.

Also noting, the only real harsh criticism he levied was at the protestors, calling them thieves. You need to educate yourself.
 
Sorry. That's going to need a whole lot more evidence to pass the smell test. We've all seen the videos of him being beaten and being dragged to the van. It's MUCH more plausible that, already having a spine injury from the beating he was being bounced around in the van because he lacked the ability to hold himself steady.

And then there's the search warrant - which is where we learn of this testimony. Search warrant for what? Did they somehow think that if they searched Gray's house (or whatever) they'd find evidence that would make it OK to beat him to death? And why would that testimony appear in a search warrant in the first place?
 
This is just one of several predictable efforts to smear the victim. Another, launched by the highly respected Free Republic site (/sarcasm), suggests that Gray's spine injury stemmed from a car accident. Court records were cited that turn out to have been about a lead paint issue in Gray's childhood.

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And once again you choose to place everything at the feet of Barack Obama. He only said that there is a "slow rolling" crisis of police violence against blacks (true). He also said that society won't address root causes (true). He didn't blame the police he blamed society, which is also true. I urge you to actually read his comments instead of repeating the right wing propaganda.

Also noting, the only real harsh criticism he levied was at the protestors, calling them thieves. You need to educate yourself.
You realize who you're talking to right?
 
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That's funny, there were people on here too, already demanding the cops by put in jail. Not saying that still may not be true if but the logic on this board without knowing ANY of the facts and demanding jail is really really scary. Let's face it, to this point we still don't know what exactly happened.

"Without knowing ANY of the facts"?? A you effing kidding me?! Did you see the video? Did you see him being beaten and then dragged as a limp object to the van? Those are FACTS.
 
More facts. The guy was trash, ran from the cops, and caught the dead. Bad decision he made.
Moral of the story, don't put yourself in a position for the cops to make a bad decision and you won't catch the dead.

Why is everyone so bent out of shape about a convicted drug dealer (multiple times) getting killed? If one of his competitors would have killed him, no one would bat an eye...
 
Moral of the story, don't put yourself in a position for the cops to make a bad decision and you won't catch the dead.

Why is everyone so bent out of shape about a convicted drug dealer (multiple times) getting killed? If one of his competitors would have killed him, no one would bat an eye...

I like law & order. Our laws don't call for capital punishment for drug dealers.
 
This sort of treatment of suspects and prisoners is what we read about in Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Russia or Pinochet's Chile or banana republics or the Jim Crow South or.... It's simply not acceptable in America.

I simply can''t believe how many Americans look harder for ways to excuse and even justify such behavior than for ways to correct this glaring problem with our so-called justice system.
 
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I also have trouble with using the idea that he was slamming himself around the van as a defense of the cops. Once you take someone into custody, you're assuming responsibility for their well-being. Gray, if the report is true that he was slamming himself around, has some blame on himself, but I would think police could do better at securing prisoners......then obviously the long delay before medical care was beyond the pale.

Also, those werne't simply injuries, somehow (whether by his own efforts or someone else's), he had an obviously very major spinal injury. Maybe he could have inflicted that on himself by going headfirst into a wall, but there would be serious effort there to make that happen.


Totally agree. I saw a report in the last couple of days, that Gray was involved in a ATV accident a couple days prior to his arrest. I have no idea the truth to that......I'll see if I can find the article again.
 
This sort of treatment of suspects and prisoners is what we read about in Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Russia or Pinochet's Chile or banana republics or the Jim Crow South or.... It's simply not acceptable in America.

I simply can''t believe how many Americans look harder for ways to excuse and even justify such behavior than for ways to correct this glaring problem with our so-called justice system.


Too bad you don't get this bent out of shape about the black on black violence in Chicago or the outright murdering of Christians in every damn part of the world. You just like to pick and choose what the progressive agenda is focusing on for the day, or whatever e-mail you receive from the DNC to be angry about.
 
Seriously, if this happened to their kid, they would not be pulling the oh well he's gone now stunt.

Bingo - and also to the point of Gray inflicting his own injuries, it has been reported that the van stopped a couple of times to try to calm him down. But here's the fault with that - apparently he wasn't buckled in. Let's just make sure this is understood:

1) He was placed in a van very much alive and able to move.
2) He asked for medical attention.
3) He was handcuffed.
4) Let's say he was in fact throwing himself around the van.
5) The van is said to have stopped to shackle his legs since he wouldn't calm down.
6) NOBODY THOUGHT TO BUCKLE HIM IN???
7) He is paralyzed once the van gets to the station.

#6 is where the cops' story seems to fall apart.

Bottom line, we still don't know what happened. Whatever did happen doesn't deserve the reaction the folks in Baltimore had... but there sure seems to be something wrong with this new story if in fact the van stopped a couple of times to "ensure his safety" or "get him to calm down", but somehow he was never buckled in?
 
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Too bad you don't get this bent out of shape about the black on black violence in Chicago or the outright murdering of Christians in every damn part of the world. You just like to pick and choose what the progressive agenda is focusing on for the day, or whatever e-mail you receive from the DNC to be angry about.

If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.....
 
Too bad you don't get this bent out of shape about the black on black violence in Chicago or the outright murdering of Christians in every damn part of the world. You just like to pick and choose what the progressive agenda is focusing on for the day, or whatever e-mail you receive from the DNC to be angry about.

So . . . it's politically incorrect in the IMCC world to comment on the actual thread if you don't also comment about black-on-black crime in Chicago?

I must have missed that memo. I'm glad we have you around to keep us apprised.
 
Totally agree. I saw a report in the last couple of days, that Gray was involved in a ATV accident a couple days prior to his arrest. I have no idea the truth to that......I'll see if I can find the article again.

Unless that's a different claim than the one I mentioned above (with link), it has been debunked by the Baltimore Sun - which actually looked at the court records that were mentioned in the accusing article.

Just another example of people throwing out a bunch of blame-the-victim alternatives so that everybody who wants to dismiss this travesty will find an excuse they like.
 
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If the Al Sharptons of the world truly gave a crap on that violence, they would be singing from the mountaintops at every instance that this happens in the so-called "black community". He'd be on TV 24/7/365.

Right now, at this very moment I type this, a black on black murder is about to be committed. And nobody gives two craps about it....so spare me the cops angle in all this until the powers that be on that side of the house start caring about the other 99.9999% of blacks killed in this country by blacks. Take ownership of "your own house".
 
I don't have a ton of time to be on here today as it's finals week, but I thought, as someone who has actually been placed in police custody and driven in one of these vehicles, I could provide a bit of insight.

On Halloween night in 2008, I was out at a bar in South Bend, Indiana with 3 friends. We were in town for the Pitt/ND game. We were having a nice time at the bar, dressed as "Frat Douchebags" and drinking the wonderful $15 RedBull/Vodka pitchers this bar likes to sell. I had a few too many, went outside and was sitting on the curb texting people. Eventually one of my friends comes out and convinces me to come back inside to get our friends and head back to my brother's house. On the way back in, there was a miscommunication between me and the bouncer (read: he was a dick and tried to charge me a 2nd cover and I wasn't really nice in my reply). A seemingly decent police officer came over to try to calm me down, but at that point, I was pretty much a lost cause. I said something really crappy to the cop and he put me in handcuffs, which only made me get more lippy. I proceeded to slam me into the concrete wall outside the bar, into the street lamp post, onto the sidewalk itself, and then onto the trunk of the car. Afterward a while he transferred me (and my friend who got arrested for, I kid you not, calling the officer "sir" against the officer's orders) into a wagon. We were not properly secured. I know this because I was able to get my phone out and text the other two friends that "Matt and I are in the paddy wagon and going downtown", to which they replied "cool, what bar?" (smart friends). I can tell you that I cracked my body/head into random walls of the wagon at least 3 times, and eventually fell onto the floor. When we got to the station they had to pick me up off the floor (no easy task, as I was about 330lbs at the time). I am not sure I'd say that the cops gave us a "rough ride" per se, but pretty much every ride in one of those things, if not properly secured, while handcuffed, will be a rough ride. If you were trying to make it rough, it would be extremely rough.

Now, the reason that I think they did this? Not because I was overly dickish to the cop. He'd probably heard what I said and worse 100 times in his career. But because it was 2am, and he was working at a bar, on Halloween, with a bunch of rich white kid ND students acting a fool, and here was this big drunk idiot saying shit to him. It upset him, and made him act out of character (I hope).

Now, fast forward to Baltimore. Historically violent city. Very black city (64% black). A lot of drug crime (Sheeeeiiiiiiit). These cops probably act a certain way because of the environment that they are in. It's conditioned them. And then something like this happens, and it comes out from the darkness that cops treat blacks like shit, and everyone is surprised.

I have admittedly been unable to really pay too much attention on this situation, only able to get bits and pieces from my occasional glances at Twitter or CNN.com, so I don't know all the details. But to claim the cops aren't at fault here is ridiculous. Once you've put someone in custody, they are in your custody. You can't throw your hands up after and say you aren't sure what happened to them.

Just my $.02

Also, as a bonus, here's a sweet pic of the frat boys and aforementioned $15 RBV pitchers taken a few hours before this happened (yeah, I woulda tossed me into a wall too, but, keep in mind it was Halloween...)
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CNN is reporting that the van made a stop that had been unreported by the police up til now. They only determined this by video surveillance cameras. Cops hiding something or just didn't think it was important?
 
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