I don't see it. Amine very similar to Hall in almost every way, just a lesser version. Kem is a shooter, and other than Zahid, I've never seen a shooter have any sucess against Hall. Hall will turn those shots into points real quick. If Kem doesn't shoot, then he's not using his biggest strength. IMO of course
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I don't see it. Amine very similar to Hall in almost every way, just a lesser version. Kem is a shooter, and other than Zahid, I've never seen a shooter have any sucess against Hall. Hall will turn those shots into points real quick. If Kem doesn't shoot, then he's not using his biggest strength. IMO of course
When you want to give a detailed rebuttal but don't have the energy, those are the times you appreciate MSU! I couldn't have said it any better.
I think most on here realize Kem was struggling with that weight, moving up will only help him. But going off of your statement, if Kem shoots he's an idiot, if he doesn't shoot he's an idiot.
I didn't say 1 point matches only and I qualified it by AA level competition. 2 point matches are ALSO very close scores and that adds in Lujan, Skatzka, Labriola, Finesilver and Jordan.
Other than a late fall against Daniel Lewis and some early on domination of Skatzka before he turned it on at the end of last year, Hall hasn't really dominated any AA level competition.
Simply put, he is vulnerable. At the very least, he is much more vulnerable than the elite wrestlers that Sanderson has coached at PSU over the soon to be decade. Kemerer is a guy, IF HEALTHY, that truly has the potential to be at that level. If he stays healthy, I think you will recognize that, even with the PSU colored glasses!
Nah..You know I'm being real..
Whatever happens..I hope Kem IS healthy and does his thing (against everyone else) because I do like the kid
The 3 Hawkeyes I enjoy watching anytime are..
1. Spencer
2. DeSanto
3. Kem
Hall is 93-5 and has placed 1st-2nd-2nd. He has lost to 4 different opponents (Brucki, Meyer, B Jordan, Valencia x 2).
Kemerer is 84-8 and placed 3rd-4th. He has lost to 6 different opponents (Richardson, Sueflohn, Palacio, M Jordan, Berger, and Nolf x 3; Berger was inj default).
Neither is unbeatable, and both have been upset by lesser-ranked wrestlers.
Hall does in fact wrestle 1- and 2-point matches with top-10 opponents.
Hall is favored until proven otherwise, but I'm rooting for Kem and it wouldn't be a huge upset. Two great wrestlers.
No need to respond, Pish69; you've made your position crystal clear...multiple times.
Kemerer is 84-8 and placed 3rd-4th. He has lost to 6 different opponents (Richardson, Sueflohn, Palacio, M Jordan, Berger, and Nolf x 3; Berger was inj default).
Neither is unbeatable, and both have been upset by lesser-ranked wrestlers.
Hall does in fact wrestle 1- and 2-point matches with top-10 opponents.
Hall is favored until proven otherwise, but I'm rooting for Kem and it wouldn't be a huge upset. Two great wrestlers.
No need to respond, Pish69; you've made your position crystal clear...multiple times.
Pish, you backed me up on your board I will do the same. Your posts are Valid, but I will take Kem I think with the added size and strength he is a good match up with Hall. I do not think he has shown us his best wrestling yet.
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I'm objective enough to bet Hall doesn't shoot on Kemerer a lot and, instead, wrestles a more defensive match. If Kem doesn't shoot a lot, the match is won by a point or two.
If Kem does shoot a lot, I'm taking Hall to win the scrambles, as I doubt Kem has Zahid-like horsepower to overwhelm Hall. But he could sneak in a TD somewhere along the way.
My best bet, though, is Kem tries to create his own offense, loses the first scramble, and the rest of the match is controlled by Hall. 3-2 or 3-1 win via counter TD and escape. Kem w/ an escape ot two. Much like a Hall-Amine match.
Valencia was a shooter worked out for him.
Kem will be just fine.
First, I'll look like an idiot here, but I thought I read a couple of months ago that Hall was taking an Oly redshirt and Cenzo was likely moving up. I must have missed when that changed, or it was bad info to start with.
Second, I was VERY impressed with Hall the first time I saw him live (Olympic trials), but since then, not so much. He always seems to get the job done when he needs to (except NCAA finals), but if Kem's shoulder doesn't become an issue, he can beat anyone. I'm not concerned about the two weight-class jump, I think he was cutting too much in 2017, and that affected him, and made him injury-prone. I think, if they wrestle, he beats Hall once this year. I hope it's at the NCAA tournament.
Second, I was VERY impressed with Hall the first time I saw him live (Olympic trials), but since then, not so much. He always seems to get the job done when he needs to (except NCAA finals), but if Kem's shoulder doesn't become an issue, he can beat anyone. I'm not concerned about the two weight-class jump, I think he was cutting too much in 2017, and that affected him, and made him injury-prone. I think, if they wrestle, he beats Hall once this year. I hope it's at the NCAA tournament.
1.) Iowa board
2.) Ironside can’t beat Kolat.
3.) Marianetti can’t beat McIlravy.
4.) Owings can’t beat Gable.
5.) Perry can’t beat Hendricks.
6.) Marinelli can’t beat Joseph.
7.) Weber has no chance of beating both Mollica and Branch in back to back matches.
I did not pick any of these upsets and not picking Kemerer yet, but how could you not understand why some are picking (hoping) for that upset?
He would not do it, Kem would be humble and respectfull you can be assured of that.
You’re ignoring a pretty glaring distinction between Nolf and Hall. Nolf was dominant against everyone not Isiah Martinez. Hall has not been. Equating Hall to Nolf is flawed. Hall is very good, but he’s not Nolf.
For the same reason, if the best weight for Kemerer was 165, I would give him the same likelihood of knocking off Czenzo as the Bull. I would not say the same if he was 174 while Bo Nickal was there.
Well... it is a cesspool...
And for the record, I dont see what's the big deal about Iowa fans thinking that Kem can beat Hall @pish69. I'd favor Hall based on past results but it wouldnt be that much of a shocker for Kemerer to win at Carver.
at Carver haha. Obviously not the favorite but is it really gonna shock anyone if he beats him anywhere? If so you are not paying attention or a PSU homer.
Tin foil hat. That is rich. everything I have ever said about PSU has pretty much turned into accepted facts by all the insiders in the nation. It has went from "no way that is going on" to of course that is going on and you are stupid not to do it. Just par for the course for a lot of programs.
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This and your other post are the tits. Some people that are even-keeled about these things (not fans) are very high on Kemerer at 74. He was cutting too much to maintain 57 his sophomore year and think the weight jump will help immensely. Hall is tough for anybody...world class but I am willing to lay down a bet with the first PSU fan that wants to take it that Kemerer beats Hall at some point this year (if both stay healthy). $100 to the RTC or charity of choice?
At practice today, even my wife was surprised at how much weight/muscle he has put on. Side note: She now recognizes the starters. My work is done for now.
You have a “bone” to pick somewhere with someone in real life..take care of that and shum on back. I normally like what you have to offer up even if it differs from what I imagine plausible. But hey, screw it...this is the cesspool, right?
Flashing back to the thread about how Sam Brooks was a bad matchup for Bo Nickal and how Bo better not go upper body with him. I posted my opinion how it was the opposite and was called a troll and an assortment of other names. Good times!
fyi, I am already on the record that Hall is a bad matchup for Kemerer. Kem shoots too much and will get himself in trouble when the scrambling starts.
fyi, I am already on the record that Hall is a bad matchup for Kemerer. Kem shoots too much and will get himself in trouble when the scrambling starts.
i do not think you are a troll, just an obnoxious prick
The same match you refused to bet me posting rights on. Your adult infancy shows more and more with each post.
Ha...yea. It backfired on me tho...she saw dudes walking around in their speedos after practice and she looked at me with disappointment in her eyes. Now I am on a 1200 calorie a day diet and she bought me a plastic suit to cut weight.
Ha, no worries, you can have it. I have been fishing for other hawks on that bet for over a year now . . . but finding only crickets this time.
Kem will be in deep 5+ times. If he finishes once and doesn't give up counter offense, he wins. Easier said than done, but certainly possible.
That's fair
Lifetime posting ban vs you donating a few bucks, yea that was reasonable stakes, lol. I wouldn't accept a bet like that on principle alone. Aside from that, being proven right TWICE after all the name calling was worth more than any monetary win.
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That's fair
Lifetime posting ban vs you donating a few bucks, yea that was reasonable stakes, lol. I wouldn't accept a bet like that on principle alone. Aside from that, being proven right TWICE after all the name calling was worth more than any monetary win.
Aaaaannnd again.... It’s beyond infantile to twist your mind to believe a PSU fans “rights” to post on an anonymous Iowa wrestling board has more monetary value than real money. Think about how ****ing juvenile that is.
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