Iowa-Northwestern postponed

[stender72865]

Where is the concern for the health + well-being of these NW players?

The response on this thread is sad, if not pathetic.

When did basketball become more important than the health of a young man (or woman). Didn't Iowa just go through this with Patrick McCaffery? Yes, I know Iowa didn't have to postpone any games, but the "suck it up" comments are disgusting.

Carry on with how this affects the really important things in life, like your record or NCAA seed. Jesus.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Simple question - does Northwestern have to provide test results (no specific name(s) of course) in order to request a postponement? Seems to me this never happened when the actual flu or common cold virus was running through a team.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

Won’t someone think of the children?

 

[BustingNarratives]

The B1G later updated the policy that you cite. It no longer mandates forfeiture.

https://www.si.com/college/purdue/b...icy-for-remaining-2021-22-conference-contests

Thanks for the update.

 

[BonzoFury]

 

[HawkCat]

How on earth did people play all those games all those years? I know COVID is more recent, but there must not have been flu or colds that affected basketball teams prior to 2020.

Because there were no mandated isolation policies for flu and colds all those years. Players could choose to play sick, and they frequently did. That is not an option for COVID, so the impacts on schools being able to field a team are much greater.

 

[ExcellentBread]

How on earth did people play all those games all those years? I know COVID is more recent, but there must not have been flu or colds that affected basketball teams prior to 2020.

Well, first, covid isn’t a respiratory illness like a cold or influenza. It’s a virus that attacks the vascular system. Remember those early studies on B10 football players who had small amounts of inflammation to their hearts? Sure, influenza can do it, but not to the same degree.

Second, as time goes on we get better at looking after athlete well-being and safety. TBH, with todays sensitivity to such things, and the research emerging at what covid is doing to our bodies, I wouldn’t be surprised if we have even more mandatory safeguards in effect for athletes after illness in the future; whether that’s actual health test requirements or required time off after an illness.

 

[goodbyebobby]

Well, first, covid isn’t a respiratory illness like a cold or influenza. It’s a virus that attacks the vascular system. Remember those early studies on B10 football players who had small amounts of inflammation to their hearts? Sure, influenza can do it, but not to the same degree.

Second, as time goes on we get better at looking after athlete well-being and safety. TBH, with todays sensitivity to such things, and the research emerging at what covid is doing to our bodies, I wouldn’t be surprised if we have even more mandatory safeguards in effect for athletes after illness in the future; whether that’s actual health test requirements or required time off after an illness.

Oh, God, we're all going to die of Vid.

Mask up and get vaxxed!🤣🤣🤣

 

[BioHawk]

I don't know, but I'll bet it has something to do with Iowa being on a hot streak and the league hoping to cool them off by canceling the game.

Well the game tomorrow won't be played no matter what. The question is why the game isn't a forfeit like the rules say it is.

 

[Pavlos]

Maybe someone has already suggested this but here's an idea: if NW and Iowa cannot agree on a date for the game to be played in Iowa City, then NW may choose either (1) move the Feb. 19 game from NW to Iowa City or (2) forfeit the Jan. 18 game.

 

[BioHawk]

The B1G later updated the policy that you cite. It no longer mandates forfeiture.

https://www.si.com/college/purdue/b...icy-for-remaining-2021-22-conference-contests

That clarifies things as to why it's possible. It's horseshit though that Iowa is now going to have to play 3 league games in 5 days. At a minimum just call it a no-contest then.

 

[General Tso]

You don't want a forfeit, that basically does nothing for the NCAA tournament resume. Iowa could use every win they can get at this point to not only avoid the bubble, but also to avoid the 8/9 seed line.

But what if the forfeit reason is 'fear'? B

 

[ExcellentBread]

Oh, God, we're all going to die of Vid.

Mask up and get vaxxed!🤣🤣🤣

Well you either care about player health and safety or you don’t. If you do, you take the steps to mitigate the problems that are avoidable.

Your lay opinion on covid will have zero effect on policy and I’m sorry if the decision to postpone this game has upset your delicate sensibilities.

 

[longliveCS40]

There's been a LOT of minutes for starters since Patrick McCaffery took his leave. For all we know, tomorrow's game might have been when it came home to roost in terms of fatigue. Also, might not have!

Anyway, it's the coaching staff's job to figure out how to accommodate these adjustments, and it sounds like they're not panicking about the task. No reason for us to panic on their behalf, either.

That is a very valid point. Kris has been leaving a lot of shots short at the end of games. They're right on target but just missing off front iron. Very well could be fatigue playing a role in that.

 

[HawkCat]

Well the game tomorrow won't be played no matter what. The question is why the game isn't a forfeit like the rules say it is.

Because the rules don't say that.

 

[longliveCS40]

How on earth did people play all those games all those years? I know COVID is more recent, but there must not have been flu or colds that affected basketball teams prior to 2020.

Colds and the flu are a hell of a lot less contagious than COVID. They also are a lot less likely to kill the blue hairs and immune compromised that are in attendance at the games.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Where is the concern for the health + well-being of these NW players?

The response on this thread is sad, if not pathetic.

When did basketball become more important than the health of a young man (or woman). Didn't Iowa just go through this with Patrick McCaffery? Yes, I know Iowa didn't have to postpone any games, but the "suck it up" comments are disgusting.

Carry on with how this affects the really important things in life, like your record or NCAA seed. Jesus.

JFC

 

[markfromj]

The question is why the game isn't a forfeit like the rules say it is.

No, they don’t.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

As a sidenote, why in the hell is twitter telling me a link to conference rules is sensitive content?

Cuz somewhere someone noticed the letters C-O-V-I-D together and that's a large red flag.

 

[dickster54]

They don't have the minimum amount of healthy players, between injuries and covid. If you say it needs to be a forfeit, then you're creating a powerful incentive for NW to either 1) play guys with a highly transmissible respiratory illness and pass it to Iowa's players, or 2) play guys who should be recovering from injury. Neither is in the athletes' best interests.

Leistikow mentioned there's an early February date that makes sense for both teams. It'll be fine. This isn't a controversy.

If Northwestern is receptive to a one full day recovery/travel on either side. We would have had a six day turn around now 3 days between each game. I heard Izzo complain the other day that there is very little flexibility in the schedule.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

Well you either care about player health and safety or you don’t. If you do, you take the steps to mitigate the problems that are avoidable.

Your lay opinion on covid will have zero effect on policy and I’m sorry if the decision to postpone this game has upset your delicate sensibilities.

Because everything is just black and white like that....

 

[drew_hawk]

Life is short and brutal. My mom sits and rots away in a home every day now until she dies.

Suck it up NW.

 

[athrilla20]

Why not do a double header on 2/19, with one game in Carver, and one in the West Branch HS gym with no fans to replicate a NW home game?

 

[KcTo]

They don't have the minimum amount of healthy players, between injuries and covid. If you say it needs to be a forfeit, then you're creating a powerful incentive for NW to either 1) play guys with a highly transmissible respiratory illness and pass it to Iowa's players, or 2) play guys who should be recovering from injury. Neither is in the athletes' best interests.

Leistikow mentioned there's an early February date that makes sense for both teams. It'll be fine. This isn't a controversy.

What is the difference between the flu, RSV and covid?
What # of players that have a clinical condition allows team to cancel? Is it 1, 2, 3?
Why is it IOWAs problem that NWN has injuries?

if you can’t field a team for a scheduled game that is a forfeit…. its always been that way.

 

[IllQChawk]

Yep, it will be interesting if they play Wisconsin on Saturday at 12pm, will everything be back to normal by then, if not hope they infect Wisconsin players with COVID. It's the least they could do for the Big Ten....

 

[QChawks]

Big Ten Staff Member: "Hey guys, did you see Iowa has now won 4 straight after losing first 3 big ten games."

Big Ten Staff Member: "No way! We've got to stop this streak somehow"

Big Ten Staff Member: "What about...no...that's too crazy"

Big Ten Staff Member: "No, let's hear it"

Big Ten Staff Member: "What if, we somehow get their next game cancelled"

Big Ten Staff Member: "But how, that's almost impossible unless we knock metal pieces off the ceiling"

Big Ten Staff Member: "Maybe COVID?"

Big Ten Staff Member: "Brilliant!"

Big Ten Staff Member: "Then when it's rescheduled they will have to play 4 games in a week"

Big Ten Staff Member: "You're a genius"

 

[drh1150]

Move the Chris Street tribute up to prime time.

And then, play it again at 10.

 

[McIlraveysMullet]

 

[Ronman]

There's been a LOT of minutes for starters since Patrick McCaffery took his leave. For all we know, tomorrow's game might have been when it came home to roost in terms of fatigue. Also, might not have!

Anyway, it's the coaching staff's job to figure out how to accommodate these adjustments, and it sounds like they're not panicking about the task. No reason for us to panic on their behalf, either.

McCaffery isn't panicking because he knows it would do no good. The conference will tell him when the reschedule date is, if there is one at all. I doubt we'll have much say in the matter except to show up and win.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

I mean, that's never been the rule.

Exceptions can be made................

 

[Packer54]

Jfc. The compromised and blue hairs should stay home then. Or get the shot. Our world no longer revolves around them. Get over it.

"The compromised and blue hairs"? You sound like a supersensitive child going through a phase.

 

[Mohawkeye]

COVID was the 3rd leading cause of death in the USA last year, 260,000 people. It is associated with increased heart problems in young men and long term pulmonary issues. Long CIVID is disabling. We won’t know all of the long term problems for years.It’s not the flu and to compare it to the flu or a cold is ignorant.

How on earth did people play all those games all those years? I know COVID is more recent, but there must not have been flu or colds that affected basketball teams prior to 2020.

 

[Mohawkeye]

But if we're vaccinated then it should be fine, right?..............

If the COVID vaccinations were 100% effective and if 100% of the population took it then yes. Unfortunately, neither of those propositions are true. Simplistic black and white analysis rarely applies in the real world.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

If the COVID vaccinations were 100% effective and if 100% of the population took it then yes. Unfortunately, neither of those propositions are true. Simplistic black and white analysis rarely applies in the real world.

The rare exception being when it comes to Wisconsin............................












because f*** Wisconsin, that's why.

 

[83Hawk]

Where is the concern for the health + well-being of these NW players?

The response on this thread is sad, if not pathetic.

When did basketball become more important than the health of a young man (or woman). Didn't Iowa just go through this with Patrick McCaffery? Yes, I know Iowa didn't have to postpone any games, but the "suck it up" comments are disgusting.

Carry on with how this affects the really important things in life, like your record or NCAA seed. Jesus.

I find it highly unlikely NW doesn't have 7 players either on scholarship or the scout team/walk-ons that are healthy enough to play.

It would not surprise me if they have multiple starters unable to play due to COVID/injuries, so they got creative in order to make it seem like they couldn't field a team.

 

[83Hawk]

The 6th wouldn't be too bad.

The same date you said "ain't happening" in another thread?

 

[dickster54]

That clarifies things as to why it's possible. It's horseshit though that Iowa is now going to have to play 3 league games in 5 days. At a minimum just call it a no-contest then.

I agree. If COVID is still viewed within the policy and by the Big Ten administration they needed to make concessions with the schedule like reducing to 18 games instead of 20. The schedule is so tight it is going to be difficult to reschedule without short turnarounds. Who knows if Northwestern will be healthy enough to play this weekend. Making up 2 games will be virtually impossible.

 

[kceasthawk]

They don't have the minimum amount of healthy players, between injuries and covid. If you say it needs to be a forfeit, then you're creating a powerful incentive for NW to either 1) play guys with a highly transmissible respiratory illness and pass it to Iowa's players, or 2) play guys who should be recovering from injury. Neither is in the athletes' best interests.

Leistikow mentioned there's an early February date that makes sense for both teams. It'll be fine. This isn't a controversy.

I'm pretty sure the issue here is two fold. 1). The covid thing really, still. What protocals are being followed? 2). The bigger issue here is "injuries and covid". What does that mean. Has the league looked into that? I mean if they have one guy with covid, and 5 injuries, then too bad so sad. Since when do teams get to postpone due to injuries?

 

[Ree4]

Yes, and it forced the team to play an exhausting schedule leading to an eventual 1st round loss to Dayton.

Sorry to nitpick, but it was Tennessee!

 

[BioHawk]

Sorry to nitpick, but it was Tennessee!

It's tough to keep our first round losses straight.