Iowa sets aside almost $180 million for year two of voucher program

[anon_911569jwrmy3z]

For 25-26, it isn't about people leaving public schools. That was part of the initial law, anyone transferring from a public school or incoming kindergarten were allowed to participate in ESA regardless of income.
In 25-26, all families who were part of the private school already and paying their way can participate in ESA. This is the part where most against the law really are mad. Zero income restrictions will exist.
More "rich people" will have more money being the biggest argument.
Rich people being in quotes is due to the subjectivity of the term.
I personally think public schools need more backing when dealing with troubled children. Lack of discipline from parents and ability for public schools to really enforce much is a big issue.

I 100% agree with you on the bold text. Your insight on 25-26 makes sense, also. Thank you for sharing your perspective on it.

For me, I don't care so much about "rich people" paying less. Although, I do understand why some/many are mad about it. The "rich people" who switch from public to private because of the ESA credits are the ones that piss me off. They are freeloading off those of us who have contributed significantly through annual donations and capital campaign contributions over the course of decades. These "newbies" should have to pay an assessment of sorts to the private schools as part of their sudden "awakening" to the benefits of private vs. public.

Back to your text that I bolded, in a different thread, a poster who is in education believes this is less of an issue in smaller/rural communities. It is the metro schools that have the biggest issue with "troubled children" (in quotes as difficult to define). The metro areas all have private school options, so ESA's can be a life changing opportunity for some students and their families.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

I can tell the future…here’s Iowa’s numpty R’s in those threads.

Just keep paying your state taxes mouth breather!

 

[RicoSuave102954]

For 25-26, it isn't about people leaving public schools. That was part of the initial law, anyone transferring from a public school or incoming kindergarten were allowed to participate in ESA regardless of income.
In 25-26, all families who were part of the private school already and paying their way can participate in ESA. This is the part where most against the law really are mad. Zero income restrictions will exist.
More "rich people" will have more money being the biggest argument.
Rich people being in quotes is due to the subjectivity of the term.
I personally think public schools need more backing when dealing with troubled children. Lack of discipline from parents and ability for public schools to really enforce much is a big issue.

It seems to me that liberals should be pleased now that poor folk can send their off spring to the same schools as the rich folk.

 

[Hawki97]

Just keep paying your state taxes mouth breather!

That's what you do when you are a functioning member of society.

Someday maybe you'll know what that's like. Loser. Get a job.

 

[joelbc1]

I 100% agree with you on the bold text. Your insight on 25-26 makes sense, also. Thank you for sharing your perspective on it.

For me, I don't care so much about "rich people" paying less. Although, I do understand why some/many are mad about it. The "rich people" who switch from public to private because of the ESA credits are the ones that piss me off. They are freeloading off those of us who have contributed significantly through annual donations and capital campaign contributions over the course of decades. These "newbies" should have to pay an assessment of sorts to the private schools as part of their sudden "awakening" to the benefits of private vs. public.

Back to your text that I bolded, in a different thread, a poster who is in education believes this is less of an issue in smaller/rural communities. It is the metro schools that have the biggest issue with "troubled children" (in quotes as difficult to define). The metro areas all have private school options, so ESA's can be a life changing opportunity for some students and their families.

Metro schools have “private school” options and honestly , other than hospital settings the “private school” selections are non-existent. Private schools simply are not designed to handle “any and all” who come to their doors.

 

[theiacowtipper]

Wow! An anecdote! Did he keep working there for years without it or was it just for 10-14 days?

She. You can’t set foot in a public school as a non parent without one.

 

[anon_911569jwrmy3z]

Metro schools have “private school” options and honestly , other than hospital settings the “private school” selections are non-existent. Private schools simply are not designed to handle “any and all” who come to their doors.

You pretty much re-stated what I have said in this thread. Do you think we are in disagreement? Or, is it just not in you find agreement?

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Metro schools have “private school” options and honestly , other than hospital settings the “private school” selections are non-existent. Private schools simply are not designed to handle “any and all” who come to their doors.

Nor should they be required to accept students they are not equiped nor want to handle.

I highly doubt any caring parent wants to send a special needs student into an academic setting where they absolutely do not fit in or belong. That's where the failing public school system comes into play.

 

[gohawks50]

Nor should they be required to accept students they are not equiped nor want to handle.

I highly doubt any caring parent wants to send a special needs student into an academic setting where they absolutely do not fit in or belong. That's where the failing public school system comes into play.

Who do you propose should educate special needs children?

 

[RileyHawk]

Yes, come 2025-2026 school year we will see how many leave public schools for private schools. I understand not all private schools in Iowa are Catholic schools, but the Catholic schools are going to put on a "full-court press" to improve their sports facilities. This money will have to come from donors, not taxpayers.

Are you saying none of the money for expansions and improvements will come from the taxpayers? If so, that is ludicrous. A private school system with 500 students receiving vouchers is almost $4M per year in revenue potential for them just from the taxpayers. If you don't think a good portion of the additional revenues they get directly and indirectly from tuition hikes is going to these capital projects you're crazy.

 

[RileyHawk]

I 100% agree with you on the bold text. Your insight on 25-26 makes sense, also. Thank you for sharing your perspective on it.

For me, I don't care so much about "rich people" paying less. Although, I do understand why some/many are mad about it. The "rich people" who switch from public to private because of the ESA credits are the ones that piss me off. They are freeloading off those of us who have contributed significantly through annual donations and capital campaign contributions over the course of decades. These "newbies" should have to pay an assessment of sorts to the private schools as part of their sudden "awakening" to the benefits of private vs. public.

Back to your text that I bolded, in a different thread, a poster who is in education believes this is less of an issue in smaller/rural communities. It is the metro schools that have the biggest issue with "troubled children" (in quotes as difficult to define). The metro areas all have private school options, so ESA's can be a life changing opportunity for some students and their families.

Only if they win the approval of the school they apply to. And definitely not the troubled kid who would do well in a private school setting. No way that kid gets the opportunity.

 

[RileyHawk]

Nor should they be required to accept students they are not equiped nor want to handle.

I highly doubt any caring parent wants to send a special needs student into an academic setting where they absolutely do not fit in or belong. That's where the failing public school system comes into play.

What private school did you attend? Did you graduate?

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Who do you propose should educate special needs children?

Certainly not a private school where parents send their children for academic excellence.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Are you saying none of the money for expansions and improvements will come from the taxpayers? If so, that is ludicrous. A private school system with 500 students receiving vouchers is almost $4M per year in revenue potential for them just from the taxpayers. If you don't think a good portion of the additional revenues they get directly and indirectly from tuition hikes is going to these capital projects you're crazy.

Not a penny of it will go to capital projects, put down the crack pipe.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

If you are saying it is inflationary across anything outside of private school tuition, then I am back to saying you need to set your ego and emotions aside and study up on economics.

If you are saying it is inflationary limited to private school tuition, then just accept we are in agreement. Everything else is just pompousness on your part.

What happens to the $150+M freed up by taxpayers covering tuition? A family of four has tens of thousands of dollars in their pockets. If the stimulus was inflationary, how could this not be?

 

[Hawki97]

Not a penny of it will go to capital projects, put down the crack pipe.

Trashy and naive. You’re quite the combination.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Trashy and naive. You’re quite the combination.

Sorry wrong again mouth breather.

 

[Hawki97]

Sorry wrong again mouth breather.

I’m always right. Loser. Get a job.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

I’m always right. Loser. Get a job.

 

[RileyHawk]

Why won't you answer the questions posed? Are you a pussy in addition to being an idiot?

 

[Hawki97]

Here’s you and all the accounts you have on HORT because you’re such a massive pussy. Loser. Get a job.

 

[anon_911569jwrmy3z]

What happens to the $150+M freed up by taxpayers covering tuition? A family of four has tens of thousands of dollars in their pockets. If the stimulus was inflationary, how could this not be?

I presume your assumption is the families who are already paying tuition would have tens of thousands of dollars they could spend on other goods and services. Is that your assumption?

 

[gohawks50]

Certainly not a private school where parents send their children for academic excellence.

But you claimed that special needs students are what is causing public schools to "fail." So what do you propose be done to change that factor harming public schools?

 

[gohawks50]

I presume your assumption is the families who are already paying tuition would have tens of thousands of dollars they could spend on other goods and services. Is that your assumption?

Won't that be the case for families already paying for multiple children to attend private schools when that cost is eliminated by vouchers?

 

[anon_911569jwrmy3z]

Won't that be the case for families already paying for multiple children to attend private schools when that cost is eliminated by vouchers?

Yes, but I want to make sure I understand this to be his assumption before I provide insights.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

I presume your assumption is the families who are already paying tuition would have tens of thousands of dollars they could spend on other goods and services. Is that your assumption?

It's not an "assumption". Are you saying they somehow simply break even?

 

[RileyHawk]

I presume your assumption is the families who are already paying tuition would have tens of thousands of dollars they could spend on other goods and services. Is that your assumption?

SMFH. $7800 a year, yes. That's what stimulus is whether it's direct payment or "tax cuts" or vouchers.

 

[Hawki97]

Glad your cycling went well today @NorthernHawkeye. I tweaked an ankle yesterday mountain biking so am laid up on the couch making fun of dumbshits on here and watching the Zurich all day. Gotta pass the time somehow, luckily HORT is target rich for dumbshits.

 

[anon_911569jwrmy3z]

It's not an "assumption". Are you saying they somehow simply break even?

Just wanting to understand your starting point. Are you wanting insight or are you wanting to argue? Happy to offer insight if you are asking to understand, but not if you are looking for an argument.

With that said, taxpayer money going toward public schools is no different than taxpayer money going to private school when it comes to inflation. Private school tuition will go higher, families will be able to spend money on different goods and services, but they are spending the same amount either way.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

Glad your cycling went well today @NorthernHawkeye. I tweaked an ankle yesterday mountain biking so am laid up on the couch making fun of dumbshits on here and watching the Zurich all day. Gotta pass the time somehow, luckily HORT is target rich for dumbshits.

Damn, you're quick. I deleted that post right after I posted it because I wanted to avoid a political pissing match tonight.

 

[joelbc1]

Just wanting to understand your starting point. Are you wanting insight or are you wanting to argue? Happy to offer insight if you are asking to understand, but not if you are looking for an argument.

With that said, taxpayer money going toward public schools is no different than taxpayer money going to private school when it comes to inflation. Private school tuition will go higher, families will be able to spend money on different goods and services, but they are spending the same amount either way.

That’s why privates are suddenly raising their fees……their education product has suddenly gotten much better! Again…..don’t bullshit a bullshitter……this grift will cause Iowa nothing but heartaches (with apologies to The Supremes).

 

[lucas80]

There is no way you typed that with a straight face.

No. His pants were around his ankles and he was going blind.

 

[lucas80]

As a parent who sent my child to a private school I was strictly against the voucher program. I’m not rich and budgeted accordingly to make it happen. This could have possibly been stopped by voting out Kim. Those that voted for her shouldn’t be complaining about the voucher program, you actually voted for it.

It had failed in the previous legislature, so Kim put a bullet in the head of multiple Republicans who voted against it by supporting opponents in a primary. Those candidates did not specifically run. on this issue. When the next session opened the first order of business was to cram the legislation through with very little public input. They also made it hard to gauge the impact by crafting a law with no oversight.

 

[MilleGinja]

Translation = The Iowa Public School system is worse than anticipated, parents are pulling their children out of the failing public schools in Iowa at a record pace.

Are they failing? Or are they being intentionally killed?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Just wanting to understand your starting point. Are you wanting insight or are you wanting to argue? Happy to offer insight if you are asking to understand, but not if you are looking for an argument.

With that said, taxpayer money going toward public schools is no different than taxpayer money going to private school when it comes to inflation. Private school tuition will go higher, families will be able to spend money on different goods and services, but they are spending the same amount either way.

*sigh* but they aren’t spending $180,000,000 on private schools. They are spending $180,000,000 on other goods. And if the govt spending $180,000,000 on private schools is inflationary then it stands to reason that freeing up $180,000,000 to spend in the marketplace would be inflationary.

How big would the effect be? No idea. But to pretend that it doesn’t follow from your premise is odd.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

But you claimed that special needs students are what is causing public schools to "fail." So what do you propose be done to change that factor harming public schools?

Please show me where I specifically stated special needs students are what is causing public schools to fail?

 

[RileyHawk]

Just wanting to understand your starting point. Are you wanting insight or are you wanting to argue? Happy to offer insight if you are asking to understand, but not if you are looking for an argument.

With that said, taxpayer money going toward public schools is no different than taxpayer money going to private school when it comes to inflation. Private school tuition will go higher, families will be able to spend money on different goods and services, but they are spending the same amount either way.

That's absurd.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Won't that be the case for families already paying for multiple children to attend private schools when that cost is eliminated by vouchers?

Maybe the parents won't have to work 2 or 3 jobs each anymore.

 

[gojojo]

Republicans can't stand the thought of wiping out student loans but are in favor of paying for school.

Got it.

 

[RileyHawk]

Maybe the parents won't have to work 2 or 3 jobs each anymore.

2 or 3 more than you.