Iowa vs Iowa State
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So Campbell is so awesome of a coach he can’t tell when his players are sober? Here I thought most clown fans feel CMC can do no wrong. Make you set them all straight IC.
I get what you're saying, but a TE spot is traditionally hand down on the line while occasionally standing wide in the slot. I didn't watch nearly enough Iowa St. games to know if Butler ever started a play on the line?
Now if the argument is that Butler took potentially catches from Allen, that's perfectly fine, but only solidifies the fact that one cannot realistically, or with objective support, argue Allen is better than either of Iowa's top TEs. The fact that Iowa St. possibly played and threw to a WR more than Allen is not objective support that Allen is talented, and especially not compared to Iowa's TEs.
Ok I'm to lazy to go back a read everything I didn't post. But I did post Allen fits into Iowa States scheme of TE better than Fant does. Yes he does have the all Big 12 second team award as a TE but Fant is still the better TE. Allen has the potential to be very good he is just not there yet. Fant is tops in the Nation.
Psycotwins was arguing that Allen was better than any of Iowa’s TE’s. He is a tremendous ambassador for isu. In fact if Pollard doesn’t already have him on the payroll he should get that done ASAP.
There are some (or maybe it is just me), that think Fant isn't even our best overall TE. But he does have something you can't coach.
Curiously enough...if you look at NCAA stats there doesn't seem to be a strong correlation between sacks given up and W-L record. Interesting and somewhat surprising. For example, here are the four playoff teams.
Georgia was 28th in sacks given up/game
Oklahoma 53
Bama 59
Clemson 74
http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?DB_OEM_ID=10410&sport_code=MFB&division=11
Herky - love u buddy but stop with PsychTwins. He was so awesome last month he said I am an attorney (true) who nobody likes (may be true) and "word on the street" is nobody respects me (a little unlikely but whatever). But then he said he has no idea who I am. So how would he know what the word on the street is with me if he doesn't even know my name? He is a lying sack of shit who trolls everyone. Which is fine for me but trolling kids is sick. And tweeting recruits is just as sick. And posting as a Hawkeye fan on HN makes him pathetic. I worry he will stalk us like he does high school kids. That boy needs serious help. He scares me.
I don't know a bunch about him. But I've seen the amount he knows about the Hawkeyes is to the point of stalkerish.. the guy needs some serious help. He loves to hate the hawkeyes to the point he doesn't even know what reality is, he sees the black and gold as the worst thing ever to happen
Roy - he flat scares me. He know more about Iowa then I would ever know. He knows every stat and posts twitter and old posts within seconds in a response. Banter is fine but this boy is sick. And he has gone off the rails to go after high school kids and flat lie. I don't ever post over there I look every now and again and that boy needs help. I know I shouldn't look but he did say I am not respected as an attorney from "word on the street" but admits he doesn't even know my name. As he posts on HN (been banned here like 6 times) as a supposed fan and rips kids in high school. He is a sick human.
3:45 AM thoughts:
Why do we even play this game? It doesn't benefit us as a program in any way. A win doesn't make people bat an eye because it's only rarely a good win (last year, for example). It gets talked about for a few days around the state and is then forgotten because it's the EXPECTATION that we win this game. When we lose, it taints our season and puts a black eye over everything else that we do later on in the B1G - it's the usual "oh look, you guys lost to Iowa State again". You might say, oh it's that Eastern Iowa hawkeye fan bubble arrogance... but it's true. I know Iowa is not going to win a national championship in football in my lifetime, and that we're on the fringe of the top 25 most years but will rarely in the conversation with the elite teams. But, we shouldn't be playing Iowa State every year. I don't like this game and I definitely don't look forward to it because a loss hurts our brand. I just want us to win and get it over with... I wish we would play someone OOC that actually BENEFITS us.
Why do we even play this game? It doesn't benefit us as a program in any way. A win doesn't make people bat an eye because it's only rarely a good win (last year, for example). It gets talked about for a few days around the state and is then forgotten because it's the EXPECTATION that we win this game. When we lose, it taints our season and puts a black eye over everything else that we do later on in the B1G - it's the usual "oh look, you guys lost to Iowa State again". You might say, oh it's that Eastern Iowa hawkeye fan bubble arrogance... but it's true. I know Iowa is not going to win a national championship in football in my lifetime, and that we're on the fringe of the top 25 most years but will rarely in the conversation with the elite teams. But, we shouldn't be playing Iowa State every year. I don't like this game and I definitely don't look forward to it because a loss hurts our brand. I just want us to win and get it over with... I wish we would play someone OOC that actually BENEFITS us.
No worries, I probably wasn't targeting you with any of my argument as you appear to be level headed. Chase Allen may be a very talented player and if he fits Iowa St.'s offense perfectly, then that's good for both sides. And good for the kid getting named 2nd team all conference by somewhere, I legitimately applaud any player who accomplishes that regardless of the conference or team, it's a solid accomplishment.
However, my post was mainly pointing out that the Big 12 has two, maybe three, legitimate TEs in the strictest sense based on 2017 statistics. Again, while Allen may be perfect for what Iowa St. needs, the fact that he was 2nd team all conference in a conference with one or two legitimate TEs means almost nothing when comparing him to other teams/conferences.
Not disparaging Allen at all, but Noah Fant will be heading to the NFL Draft following his Junior season. I'm pretty sure ISU or any other team would find way to utilize his talent.
Cytwins needs to be knocked out end of story. I'm leaning towards hoping he becomes the next victim of the Smiley Face Killer. That is if he Isn't the Smiley Face Killer himself.
IC - what scares me is not only is he proud of trolling and spreading lies but the fact he goes after high school kids. He can rip me as a bad attorney all he wants (without even knowing my name) but to go after recruits and high school kids is simply sick. And to post on HN as a "Hawk fan" but spread rumors is pathetic. He obviously works for CF to get clicks but the shit he says and does is way over the line. And obviously he doesn't have kids as he has judged numerous times that Fran and his wife are "horrible parents" cause of 1 tweet by a 16 year old kid in support of his brother. And one of those kids had cancer. But they are "entitled brats" and the McCafferys are bad parents based on that. That boy is sick and a psycho.
Section 230 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996.
The protections afforded web-site operators can be pierced. In some precedent, doxing has been found to be illegal. Yes, pretty unbelievable.
If I have some time, and due entirely to CF moderation, I might just experiment, and serve CW. To make him an example. But I digress.
If you feel strongly that the oil tycoon, CyTwin, or whomever he is, is a threat, I'd explore the above section of administrative code, applicable federal code, some applicable state law regarding threats etc, and I'd take some action.
That is if he really has stalked kids, made threats etc. If this is just internet legend, then that's another story.
The protections afforded web-site operators can be pierced. In some precedent, doxing has been found to be illegal. Yes, pretty unbelievable.
If I have some time, and due entirely to CF moderation, I might just experiment, and serve CW. To make him an example. But I digress.
If you feel strongly that the oil tycoon, CyTwin, or whomever he is, is a threat, I'd explore the above section of administrative code, applicable federal code, some applicable state law regarding threats etc, and I'd take some action.
That is if he really has stalked kids, made threats etc. If this is just internet legend, then that's another story.
That's the first problem right there: expecting to engage in meaningful dialogue with most ISU fans who troll this site. Stop feeding the trolls!
All most of the ISU fans on here are trying to do is throw shit at the wall hoping something sticks that would indicate ISU football is superior. If they are actually serious, then there are obviously some pretty serious underlying mental health issues.
Prior to last year's ground breaking 8-5 season, ISU had won like 10 games in 4 years or something sorry like that. Why engage their fan base here to talk shit? It makes no sense.
For the record, Iowa has a long history of recruiting highly ranked TEs and /or developing them into NFL prospects. If he stays healthy, Noah Fant could easily win the Mackey before his career at Iowa is done. The fact that Cyclone fans are trying to assert their TE is better because he made 2nd team in a conference in which the use of TEs is nearly obsolete further validates the point participating in dialogue with most ISU fans is a waste of time.
The thing is I think I've met the guy.. he claims he lives in a Carroll lie, I think he lives in ankeny and his name is matt.. if not the 2 are very much the same
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Iowa by 2. I will come out of my seat when iowa gets a late score to win. And i am 89
The fact that Allen was named all conference shows that your argument might need a bit more objectivity
No, it doesn't. The fact that Allen was named 2nd team all conference is supported by my argument that the Big 12 had no TEs so it's really not that great of an accomplishment.
2nd team all Big 12 wouldn't sniff top half of the Big 10. It means nothing in this argument.
I realize that you look at it that way to justify your argument. It is totally the Hawkeye way.
The Hawkeye way is also recognized as developing NFL level talent, but I don’t think anyone would expect you to know what that looks like.
Outside of Andrews, what TE from the Big 12 would have been all conference in the Big 10?
Further, what objective skills or accomplishments does Allen possess that make him better than Fant or Hockenson?
I did the research on Big 12 TEs, let's see if you've done any. Preemptive shut down of a baseless argument: if the Big 12 doesn't use TEs in the traditional way, that is not a valid argument for or against this discussion, it proves nothing.
This is like the argument that because on one site Iowa State was 7th in the Big 12 in recruiting and Iowa was 8th in the Big 10, so Iowa State has a better class. It's hilarious.
Just a guess, but I venture that Allen is a pretty good blocker. The B12 may use their TEs in a different way than some other conferences.
only at isu do have use a TE for blocking and still have one of the worst lines in the P5.
If you need laughter in your life, I would recommend reading anything authored by Chris Williams or Randy Peterson.
That's a very fair assessment, I'm sure he is a very good blocker. Let's keep going, what're the other skill sets we can compare?
Fant isn't a great blocker but he is decent. Hockenson is probably an above average blocker.
Also, the Big 10 traditionally uses their TEs that require them to be above average blockers as well so.
Yep, I am guessing that anything published outside of Iowa City is laughable to some hawk fans. I am sure it is a common theme.
What is laughable is that the Texas ten cant count to 11 and clown fans swallow it hook line and sinker and then beg for more.
Have you ever read the Onion? That is also some funny stuff, but a little more fact based than anything Chris Williams or Randy Peterson write.
Come on Eye. Even PsychTwins makes fun of what Williams at times says and always what Randy says. Of course cause he is such a POS all he does is turn it into a "not as bad" as Chad, etc. anti-Hawk troll. Why are you guys even here? Go circle jerk with Twins and group over at CF with your thrid best football season ever in 100 plus years which amounted to the same record as Iowa with a home head-to-head loss at home to Iowa in a year most Iowa fans consider mediocre. And last in the Big 12 in basketball and a disaster of a wrestling team. Well great Bowl win boys. U now have more in 100 years than Stanzi did at Iowa. Wow. A storm is brewing!
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