It's alright ... I'd take Wieting over their guys too.
Iowa vs Iowa State
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State loses Campos....Good luck throwing the ball with Nelson and Epenesa out there 
State loses Campos....Good luck throwing the ball with Nelson and Epenesa out there
They will talk about how they can put a 4 star tackle out there and be great and then tell you that ISU is more talented as a team in spite of the recruiting stars saying otherwise
I think that it is precious how some ISU fans are telling us about how important it is that a TE is a quality blocker. While Iowa really likes to utilize their TEs in the passing game ... the quality of their blocking is yet another feature why Iowa's TEs land and stick in the NFL.
College football you only need one foot in (has to go down first and be in) second one can go wherever. It was a TD.
Not to be a Dick BUT when is the last time isu put a te in the NFL HMM!!!!!!! Cannot recall.
Ej bibbs a couple years ago went undfrated.. I remember Iowa state fans saying he had the best hands or was the best tight end in the nation something stupid like that.. he wasn't even the best tight end in the state.. prolly the 5th best Iowa just has better tight ends year in and year out..
State loses Campos....Good luck throwing the ball with Nelson and Epenesa out there
ISU was 26th nationally in fewest sacks given up last year. I assume none of the other lineman that played had anything to do with that.
I agree, but I do think a case could be made for considering Lazard a TE, and not a WR...regardless of what the clones called him in their offense.
Fun stat: number of teams from the big10 in the top 25 for most sacks (5), number of b12 teams in top 25 (1). In other words the defensive lines of the b12 are not good.
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/466/p1
More fun stats: ISU allowed 19 sacks against a league of horrible DLines. IOWA allowed 25 against a league that all finished in the top half of sacks.
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/468/p1
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/468/p1
Upon further review it looks like you’re right. Good thing college is one foot haha
Not surprising. Outside of a couple teams, the Big 12 really doesn’t play defense.
That one sack that Iowa had against ISU last year was impressive considering the one sack ISU had against Iowa.
Well then it's a good thing there is a larger body of work to evaluate long term performance from..... try again.
Don’t sell the clones short. ISU did a bang-up job against a true sophomore QB starting only his second game (and first away game). Your ‘lock down’ corners really came up big.
And there all American linebacker sure could cover a average back like Akrum wadley
Iowa's amazing Big 10 defense did a bang-up job against a QB that was probably less sober than most of the fans in the parking lot.
I especially liked the ball he dropped in OT against Iowa.
Your program having a lack of viable options at Qb 1) is not a concern of the Hawks 2) completely destroys the idea you have more talent. Also, I was in that parking lotn and no way in hell he was anywhere near some of the clown fans that couldn't hold thier booze. By the 4th quarter the clown fans next to us had enough to drink "Bob from accounting", as I called him, wanted to have a go. Clown fans are the worst.
You are right Iowa dbs gifted two long tds to Iowa state.. Iowa had plenty of mental mistakes in the 3rd to allow Iowa state back in it.. remember the score was 21-10 Iowa before those mistakes happened.. but I'm the end the better team got their crap together and won the game..
Ha, that was their top receiver. The TE he is talking about had four catches for 39 yards, longest of 13. No TDs. Oh yeah, that wasn't single game stats, that was for the season.
Easy to see why he would take him over Fant or TJ.
Apparently including his coach, since he pegged him to start.
But according to the voice of clownnation you have two ‘lock down’ cornerbacks - back from last year. I didn’t hear anyone from Iowa claim something that ridiculous. Maybe Chris Williams is on the sauce now too....and who could blame him having to consistently pump out over the top expectations for a fan base that believes the Big 12 is conspiring to keep them down and they only lose games because of bad calls. Boooooooooo!
Sound analysis ~ the NFL.com scouts agree:
Overview
"Lazard has been a productive, four-year player who relies on his size and strength to muscle Big 12 cornerbacks around when making the contested catch. Lazard is a possession receiver, but his lack of play speed and athletic ability could make separating from NFL cornerbacks a difficult challenge. With his size and toughness, a switch to pass-catching tight end might give him a better shot at having a productive NFL career."
Birch has been very complimentary of Hooker...You must not read Peterson and Birch.
Not going to get into this mess except to point out that Chase Allen was second-team all-conference; since he had only 4 catches all season, presumably the opposing coaches thought his blocking was pretty good. And for the record, the top TE in the league was the Oklahoma kid who was really, really good.
Let's play a fun game called "How Many TEs are there in the Big 12!"
There are 10 teams in the Big 12, as we all know, and 9 of them (sorry Texas Tech) list receiving stats for players identified as TE. From there, let's take a look at the top TEs at each school:
Name, School, Receptions, Yards, TDs
Andrews, Oklahoma, 62, 958, 8
Johnson, Kansas, 30, 363, 1
Brewer, Texas, 9, 80, 2
Feuerbacher, Baylor, 7, 73, 1
Hunt, TCU, 7, 63, 0
Wellman, WVU, 5, 36, 0
Abbott, Ok. St., 4, 69, 0
Allen, Iowa St., 4, 39, 0
Valentine, KSU, 2, 10, 0
Bonus stats! If a school had a 2nd TE with multiple receptions, here are their stats:
Calcaterra, Oklahoma, 10, 162, 3
Brown, Ok. St., 4, 56, 0
Moore, Texas, 3, 33, 1
Wainright, Baylor, 4, 34, 2
Right from the start we can see that there's some real stiff competition for all conference at TE in the Big 12. Andrews is without a doubt a great TE based on the numbers. After him the 2nd best is either Johnson at KU or Calcaterra at Oklahoma, without factoring in blocking. For reference, both Fant and Hockenson would have easily been 2nd team in the Big 12.
So my fellow hawkeye fans, if you find yourself in conversation with a cyclone and they try to claim their TEs are anywhere near Iowa's and point to Chase Allen being a 2nd team all conference, feel free to use this information. Here's another fun argument you can throw at them as well:
Mark Andrews (OU): 62 receptions, 958 yards, 8 TDs
Ben Johnson (KU): 30 receptions, 363 yards, 1 TD
Noah Fant: 30 receptions, 494 yards, 11 TDs
TJ Hockenson: 24 receptions, 320 yards, 3 TDs
Remainder of Big 12 Starting TEs: 38 receptions, 370 yards, 3 TDs
If 2nd team all Big 12 at TE is such a prestigious accomplishment, why are the combined top TE numbers for 7 teams worse than Fant and comparable to Hockenson?
Oklahoma's Andrews spent a lot of his time lined up in the slot ... and many NFL scouts view him as offering very little in terms of blocking. For a big guy though, he does offer pretty decent speed and excellent agility. It would appear that he won the Mackey award largely based on his impressive statistics from the prior season. Otherwise, I'm rather surprised that PSU's Gesicki didn't win it last season.
Does 1 catch for 7 yards really count? Not drafted but made one catch for Cleveland.
isu sure is a juggernaut.
To be fair Butler lined up almost all last season in the spot where normally the TE would because he was to good to not have on the field. He ended with 7 TD's so I guess somewhat the TE spot did have some scores.
Yes leading up to last year all we heard was how ISU's defensive backfield was better than anything Iowa would face all year and our new QB and bad WR's wouldn't do anything. And Iowa proceeds to put up 333 passing yards and 5 passing TD's.
Simply answering the question. I do believe Bibbs played more FB in the NFL. Ernst Brun and Collin Franklin both had short stints in the NFL as well but didn't last long.
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