You don't like Turk, you've made it very clear in the past. Going into Ames, if Max isn't ready to go it needs to be Turk at 149.
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Probably shouldn't admit this on the Information Superhighway but I've seen every episode of Dragonball, Z and Super. Passed on GT because quite frankly Gohan is kind of boring. #SorryNotSorry
Well since no one knows the mystery ailments of Max Murin, I'd say it's far more important to develop Vince Turk for the 2022 Nationals. That's in the future too, and it's far more important than Cobe Siebrecht's development.
Andrew Long had far worse issues and Penn State isn't giving back the Team Title they won with him in their lineup, so if Turk wins the spot I can deal with it.
Bullshite. We’ve seen the probable line ups posted.
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I see ESPN+ is broadcasting the dual live 👍
I don't know about anger issues, but there's plenty of college kids with "alcohol issues". No excusing the shooting, obviously a huge mistake. Not saying he was a great influence on the team in the past, but a year in the military was good for him, he came back much more disciplined.
My point is Turk is as developed as he's gonna get. Wrestle him in the opens, a tournament setting, and knock the rust off, and he's going to be as good as he's going to get.
If Max isn't going, we're not getting any meaningful points out of 49 anyways.
That’s good on him. But we have youngsters with potential to develop who have never had anger, alcohol or violence issues.
Easy there Dub, I'm trying to agree with you 😉
I agree that young guys should get the nod over Turk, just saying that Turk isn't a bad kid, just a young college guy doing young college guy things and making one too many bad decisions.
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Right on. But we lost a family member to gun violence awhile back. And I think that shite has gotten so bad that it’s the accepted norm.
Btw, who does one year of military service? Is that really a thing?
Sorry to hear about the loss of your family member.
Cant help you on the military part, sounds more like Kwood or Chief's avenue.
Brands spoke on this in an interview. He got an honorable medical discharge due to the discovery of some allergy.
I hope he wasn't allergic to being an All-American if the opportunity presents itself.....😏
We don't have any hammers at 149. Murin and Turk are fringe AA's, that's who they are. Get one or the other out there and let's go.
again, seems a little presumptuous to say Turk is a fringe AA. Murin yes, but Turk was gone for a year and lost to Reyna. I remain agnostic on whether Turk>Siebrecht or vice versa, but am pretty confident that Murin is a lot better than both, and if he can't go we shouldn't expect any points at 149.
GT wasn't Gohan. It was a return to a more adventury and fun Dragon Ball (like the original). Kid Goku, Pan as a sidekick. The ratings were so bad, they were forced to return to a fighting genre. We somehow ended up with Super Sayian 4... ugh.
Murin and Turk are the only two 149 pounders on the team with the ability and experience to be AA this year. It's not a given they will but a lot more likely than either of the young guys.
Well plenty of guys are gone for a year due to injury then return, so why would Turk be worse off than them? Answer: He wouldn't.
I think Reyna is a bit higher ranked recruit than Siebrecht is he not? So it stands to reason he may give Turk a good match doesn't it? He's not a true freshman, and he's at the weight he belongs at now. Isn't that what we want? And he beat him in OT, not like he took the washed up veteran to the woodshed.
I'm not gonna research Vince Turks career, but in 2018 NCAA's alone, Turk went 2-2, lost to eventual runner-up Meridith 5-2 and AA Chad Red 3-2. That seems like a fringe AA to me, not like he got blown out of the water by two All-Americans. He's offensively deficient, very much Max Murin like.
Does anybody know if this means no b10+? I see the psu meet listed this sunday but no iowa yet. Wont be happy if they skip over this one.
Much to their chagrin in Ames, the Big 10 did not invite ISU to conference...so no BTN.
Damn, this is fun.
Living rent free in the feeble minds of Clone fans.
To CyCloneRastlinG...Thanks for the shout out on CF.
Your miserable wrestling program has been Iowa's bitch going on for nearly 20 years. You haven't sniffed a Natty since 1987. You are insignificant.
You know it. I know it. Hell, everyone knows it.
Just accept being a punch line to a joke.
Living rent free in the feeble minds of Clone fans.
To CyCloneRastlinG...Thanks for the shout out on CF.
Your miserable wrestling program has been Iowa's bitch going on for nearly 20 years. You haven't sniffed a Natty since 1987. You are insignificant.
You know it. I know it. Hell, everyone knows it.
Just accept being a punch line to a joke.
You have a point but let’s change that to, “You haven't sniffed a Natty since” 2010. They placed 2nd in 96, 00, 02, and 07. They also had two 3rds and a 4th that were only around 10 to 12 points out of first between 1988 and 2010. They haven’t been good since 2010(3rd) and got so bad that they placed 57th and 45th before bringing in the “Dream Team.” Bobby deserves credit for his accomplishments. He is a great guy and coach and defiantly better than ISU deserved.
I hope you realize that bringing facts to an emotinal whine is not allowed here in the cesspool. Really is amazing what some people will stoop to here...........sheeeessssshhhh.........
I apologize. I can tell how upset you are by the thorough lack of emojis. 🤭🤔😉
The TV rights are controlled by the home team. So no BTN or BTN+ when in Ames.
being injured for a year is not the same thing as leaving the sport to be in the military. as you point out, turk was pretty solid before he left. that version of turk doesn't lose to reyna. i don't see how you can just assume he steps back into the sport and is still a fringe aa type guy. i need to see that first. like i said, i'm agnostic on whether siebrecht or turk is a better option. i would have no problem seeing turk this weekend. with that said, the coaches have gone with siebrecht every time, and he still had a redshirt available. that's not an encouraging endorsement of turk.
Thought Siebrecht already used his shirt.
I don't read anything into Iowa's lineup choices anymore. For all we know Tom goes by the color of the shirt his Wife lays out for him in the morning.
Turk is "stepping back into the sport" that he's been doing for most of his life. He's shown us who he is, a fringe AA type, and his 1 year away isn't changing that. Reyna may be that guy too, time will tell. Siebrecht has work to do to get there, IMO, which makes a lot of sense given his credentials coming into the program.
So if "sniffed" was the wrong word to use, I will rephrase..."Were not good enough to win".
At the end of the day, no one gives a shit who finished 2nd, 3rd, or 4th.
Although Clone fans and the Fightin Dressers would probably give their left nut to finish top 5.
You also make a great point about Douglas. What a class individual. My respect for him dates back to 2003? and the Hwt match between ISU/Mocco. My memory may be foggy, but I believe Bobby could have taken a DQ against Mocco for some "slam" against the ISU guy. But instead he just had his guy MFF after the injury.
What ISU has experienced for the last few decades is "karma" for the way they unceremoniously forced Bobby out.
BTW: It's civil war between fans over at ClownFest regarding the battle between Parker/Degen. Some even defending the Hawk wannabees coaching staff.
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good catch! had that wrong in my head. still think it's somewhat notable that he's gotten the nod over turk so far. i think if the coaches thought turk was significantly better, he'd have been getting the nod.
don't want to go in circles, so this is my last reply on this, but you are making a big assumption. we see regression from guys year to year all the time, and that's from guys who didn't take a year off. craig henning made the finals and then didn't even qualify the next year. you are assuming turk is still who he was 2 years ago, but we don't actually know that.
i'd lean turk for this dual, but more because of the match up than who I think is better (because i don't think either score points at ncaa's anyway). degen and siebrecht have similar styles and i think degen is better in the positions that siebrecht is going to wrestle from and will win those exchanges. turk wrestles a more basic style and can potentially dictate how the match is wrestled in his favor. both are underdogs though.
I'm making assumptions but you're not. Got it. LOL!
Spencer retweeted something saying the Iowa/ISU dual would feature Spencer. Not sure if that means anything but maybe he is going to make his season debut.
Naw, he’s not wrestling. I’m sure ISU just wants to honor him at intermission for all that he’s done for the sport. And I heard he has a new break dancing routine to showcase.
It would be a great way to steal ISU's thunder at one of their biggest home meets and it certainly would amp up our other 9 starters for the dual. I would love it, but I'm not holding my breath.
