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Is tipping getting out of control? Yes! 100x YES!

The only way I would even consider paying anything close to 30% is if by some miracle I was ordering alcohol and it was free refills.
 
The only way I would even consider paying anything close to 30% is if by some miracle I was ordering alcohol and it was free refills.
Yeah there’d need to be a price break on the bill (I.e. free stuff) for that to ever happen
 
I always tip big at our local haunts (30-40%) because we always get great service there. I'm normally 18-20% at all other locations
 
Same here,.. 20-25% normal for food, but will go as high as 50% on a bar tab..
 
Okay, I absolutely draw the line at a tipping at Menchie's Frozen Yogurt. I literally do all the work. Honestly, you could get rid of the cashier and replace it with a scan code at the scale with a place for me to swipe my card.
 
Dear counter service owner. Quit trying to guilt us into subsidizing your $hitty wages. I do more work at Menchie's than the cashier.

Fewer Americans are tipping, Bankrate survey finds​




How tipping etiquette has evolved after the pandemic

It may seem like tipping is everywhere – but a smaller number of Americans are handing out gratuities because of economic factors and those annoying tipping screens, a new report says.
According to Bankrate, just 65% of American adults always tip their servers at sit-down restaurants. That's down from 73% a year ago and 77% in 2019. In fact, fewer Americans are tipping for all types of services, measured both this year and before the pandemic. The categories of workers that were surveyed include servers, hair stylists, food delivery people, and coffee shop baristas.
Adult consumers are the least likely to always tip for home services like repairs and picking up takeout. More than half of adults always tip food delivery people, hair stylists, and sit-down restaurant servers.
The Bankrate survey, commissioned by YouGov, was conducted among 2,437 adults from May 3 to May 5.

Bankrate senior industry analyst Ted Rossman told Yahoo Finance that high levels of inflation and uncertainty about the economy may be driving Americans to tip less or less often, in addition to the backlash over the proliferation of iPads and other forms of technology that give people pre-entered options to tip.
In fact, 18% of adults said they tip less or not at all when they are given pre-entered options while the clerk is standing behind the screen. This reaction is known as “tipping fatigue,” the Finance Is Cool CEO Haley Sacks previously told Yahoo Finance.
Rossman said the survey shows that there has indeed been a flip in how people feel about these screens.
"By a factor of about two to one this year, people say that they're tipping less or not at all, rather than tipping more, when they're presented with these [pre-entered] options, which is actually a flip from last year," Rossman said.
Common pre-selected tip options at cafés and restaurants are 15%, 20%, or 25% for a tip. However, only 44% of adults said they usually tip 20% or higher at sit-down restaurants. In 2022, the median tip for servers at sit-down restaurants was 20%.
Overall, 66% of people hold negative views about tipping. 30% of adults believe that tipping has spiraled out of control, increasing to 33% among GenXers and 40% among those who earn more than $100,000 annually. There is no comparison available to previous surveys.
Fewer Americans are leaving a tip amid the proliferation of tipping screens.

Fewer Americans are leaving a tip amid the proliferation of tipping screens.
There are more differences in tipping habits and beliefs when the numbers are cut by generation or income level. Across nearly all categories, millennials, Gen Z, and men are more likely to tip less or not at all, with 21% of millennials and 18% of Gen Z in favor of getting rid of tipping altogether. These numbers are higher than the 12% of Baby Boomers who share the same sentiment.
Rossman said that younger adults and men are more like "boom or bust tippers," which means that they may tip less frequently, but when they do tip, it's often larger than those given by other groups.
Even though fewer Americans are tipping overall, 14% say their tips have grown larger since the pandemic, rising to 20% among higher-income households. Rossman said that alternatives to tipping have not worked, including previous efforts to substitute tips with built-in higher prices, which have largely failed.
"I think at the end of the day, we're kind of stuck with tipping, for better or for worse," he said. "Tipping is so commonplace that I think it would take quite a groundswell to make a real change there."


 
I got a cheap hair cut today at Cost Cutters and was extremely pleased to see a perfectly trimmed back-of-neck hair line. Perfectly straight. With symmetrical sides. I gave a 100% tip for that because that's the one spot where hair cutters, barbers and numerous aficionados of cutting hair seem to regularly feck up.
My hair place has increased their prices a good amount to about $38 depending on the barber and their beginning tip is now $10.
 
Tipping is for when someone does something extraordinary. It is not for doing their job. People often tip for poor service. Why would you encourage poor service. The standard tip is 0.
 
100% disagree with the open bar comment. Tipping at an open bar, really overtipping is perhaps the most beneficial tip one can offer.
Poors love open bars, got to weed them out ASAP
100% disagree with your disagree. It’s tacky as hell for the bartender to put out a tip jar in an open bar arrangement and the host should be ashamed. But it’s becoming more and more the norm
 
100% disagree with your disagree. It’s tacky as hell for the bartender to put out a tip jar in an open bar arrangement and the host should be ashamed. But it’s becoming more and more the norm

A point of clarification
To be clear throwing money into a tip jar does not qualify as tipping in my opinion. Tipping is a direct exchange to recognize excellent service as well as to incentivize faster or better service in the future. Chucking a 20 into a communal tip jar does not always accomplish the intended goal.


I completely agree with the notion that having a tip jar at an open bar could come across as tacky, unsavory. It is the job of the coordinator, host, or venue manager to take action unless allowing tip jars was stipulated in the service agreement in hopes of reducing the cost of the open bar for the newlyweds.
 
100% disagree with your disagree. It’s tacky as hell for the bartender to put out a tip jar in an open bar arrangement and the host should be ashamed. But it’s becoming more and more the norm
Agree as many of these venues charge the host 22-30% service/gratuity to begin with.
 
I pulled into a full service car wash on Friday and the attendant pointed out the option for a tip as I selected which wash I wanted. When I pulled to the bay there was a bucket for tips next to the entrance.
 
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On the appearance of service fees on restaurant bills.

If they want to offer insurance for employees, etc. Why not just put the price in the food? This seems to me just a way to piss people off and keep them from coming back.

"Happy & Healthy Fees"? Lol...WTF?
 
I don’t understand how counter service food stores get away with asking for tips but it’s unheard of at a gift store where a sales associate spends time helping the customer and then wraps their purchases for free. I own a couple toy stores and we have a very hard time hiring people because at the local food places they can all pull in a lot of money in tips for doing counter work but we can’t do the same for our staff. It kind of pisses me off to be honest. I’ve seen the restaurants start to charge a 3% CC fee as well, which would be unheard of in retail. Why do we just accept it for food?
 


On the appearance of service fees on restaurant bills.

If they want to offer insurance for employees, etc. Why not just put the price in the food? This seems to me just a way to piss people off and keep them from coming back.

"Happy & Healthy Fees"? Lol...WTF?
This way they can still advertise "X entrées for under $10," because they're externalizing much of the cost into tipping and fees.
 

The expansion of tipping into anything and everything is stupid. That said I also strongly believe that waiters in restaurants where most everyone tips likely would oppose a switch from tipping to a simple hourly wage as I think it would actually bring down their actual take home pay.

I mean switch to an hourly wage and what do they make? Probably less than $20 an hour in most places. Yet if everyone tips 10% which honestly is on the low end and they are in place where the average bill per table is $50 which isn't super high, they only have to wait on 4 tables an hour to make that money and if they are doing more than 4 tables they are making more than what they would have made with an hourly wage.
 
The expansion of tipping into anything and everything is stupid. That said I also strongly believe that waiters in restaurants where most everyone tips likely would oppose a switch from tipping to a simple hourly wage as I think it would actually bring down their actual take home pay.

I mean switch to an hourly wage and what do they make? Probably less than $20 an hour in most places. Yet if everyone tips 10% which honestly is on the low end and they are in place where the average bill per table is $50 which isn't super high, they only have to wait on 4 tables an hour to make that money and if they are doing more than 4 tables they are making more than what they would have made with an hourly wage.
I'm fine with tipping servers in traditional restaurants. I'm not fine giving a machine extra money because someone handed me something across a counter.
 
My newest tipping conundrum: A new local establishment has table service, but ordering is by app, with a QR code taped to the table. The interaction with staff consists of them seating you and bringing you your food and clearing the table after you leave. Soft drinks and water are free, and self-serve.
So, what say you? My opinion: you ain't getting the full 25% that I normally tip for this minimal service with limited to no human interaction. I hate the web based ordering and payment and not having an actual menu to peruse. I'm thinking 10%, max.
 
My newest tipping conundrum: A new local establishment has table service, but ordering is by app, with a QR code taped to the table. The interaction with staff consists of them seating you and bringing you your food and clearing the table after you leave. Soft drinks and water are free, and self-serve.
So, what say you? My opinion: you ain't getting the full 25% that I normally tip for this minimal service with limited to no human interaction. I hate the web based ordering and payment and not having an actual menu to peruse. I'm thinking 10%, max.

If you usually tip 25% which I think is a bit high but if that's what you usually do I would lower it some but I don't think down to 10%.

Seems like the only steps they are skipping is handing you a menu and writing your order down. The service usually is heavily in bringing the food, checking in occasionally to see if you need anything, keeping your drinks full.

Seems like a huge drop for a couple missing steps.
 
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If you usually tip 25% which I think is a bit high but if that's what you usually do I would lower it some but I don't think down to 10%.

Seems like the only steps they are skipping is handing you a menu and writing your order down. The service usually is heavily in bringing the food, checking in occasionally to see if you need anything, keeping your drinks full.

Seems like a huge drop for a couple missing steps.
Maybe, but they don't take the order, they don't really check in to see what you need, and they don't keep drinks full (they're self serve unless you order more beers on the web), they don't bring a check, and they don't generally bus while you eat. The service isn't much more than counter service, other than they carry it to you. And I want to make a statement that I'm not a fan of this business model. When they first opened, they made the QR code ordering optional, and I always made it a point to not use it. Now, they're sort of strongly encouraging you to use the online model, so I'll be visiting less often.
 
No politician is ever going to attempt to fix this because then all of businesses money will go to their opponents
 
Maybe, but they don't take the order, they don't really check in to see what you need, and they don't keep drinks full (they're self serve unless you order more beers on the web), they don't bring a check, and they don't generally bus while you eat. The service isn't much more than counter service, other than they carry it to you. And I want to make a statement that I'm not a fan of this business model. When they first opened, they made the QR code ordering optional, and I always made it a point to not use it. Now, they're sort of strongly encouraging you to use the online model, so I'll be visiting less often.

Oh got it. Yeah then 10% might be a little kind if they are just bringing food out to you and leaving you alone.
 
If you usually tip 25% which I think is a bit high but if that's what you usually do I would lower it some but I don't think down to 10%.

Seems like the only steps they are skipping is handing you a menu and writing your order down. The service usually is heavily in bringing the food, checking in occasionally to see if you need anything, keeping your drinks full.

Seems like a huge drop for a couple missing steps.


I went to an Indian place a couple weeks ago. They had a robot that carried the food from the kitchen to the table and then the waiter was there to move it from the robot to the table. Interesting how many steps are being changed just to see what savings can occur. Be interested how much the robot cost.
 
I especially hate how the waiter/waitress hovers over you with their tablet while you are expected to leave a tip right there.
 
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