Yeah that class was awful. If Moss is the crown jewel of the recruiting class that is is really bad.
Isaiah Moss transferring according to report
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Yeah that class was awful. If Moss is the crown jewel of the recruiting class that is is really bad.
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What a load of crap you just spewed. The real issue is the selfish baby-boomer generation who is only interested in helping themselves, and who are convinced that they way they do life is the only correct way to do life.
Good Luck in Venezuela!
I thought we were painting with broad brushes here(see your original post I quoted).
I’ve stated this before but nothing that has happened in the off-season has changed my belief that the team next year will be as good, if not better, then this year’s team.
Yes, some things have to hit positively but I fully believe Wieskamp is going to take huge steps in his game and confidence and will take to the role of being the man. I think Garza is an outstanding 2nd option. I think the offense will be more crisp and efficient going through those two. Having the experience they will have back and getting Nunge/Pemsl will be a plus as I think they will compliment Garza/Kreiner in a positive way. I wish they would have a Grad Transfer SG coming in but I feel like between Toussaint/Frederick, if one of them can consistent contributors, it won’t be much different then Moss who too often was a non-factor.
Ok, that's fair. I used the term "SUB generation" to indicate a group within a generation. That may not have been clear. All ____ are ____ is almost never a good approach. That's true.
But...I'm sure you'd agree there's a significant subset of millennials who've been brainwashed by agenda-driven faculty...to their detriment. And that's a f***ing crime. They've paid thousands of $$ to have their minds closed rather than opened.
You don't do anybody a favor...by convincing them that they're a victim. The years you spend on a University campus should expand your mind...not program it. What some college faculty have done is nothing short of malpractice within their profession.
ANYWAY...Moss is gone. Who gets the minutes? What does this mean for Fran's program?
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Again, you argue against group-thought while at the same time exemplifying it. Admittedly, that's what we both are doing. For instance, you may not be an elderly baby-boomer, and I'm 42, so neither one of us may fit into the assumption that the other is making about us. However, for me, I tend to roll my eyes and react negatively to those who claim to know everything about an entire generation-oh, sorry a "sub" generation.
Anyway, I'll miss Moss. I think, with a different mindset, he could have been an elite scorer next season. But that last game symbolized his career here at Iowa for me. When least expected, he came through. When desperately needed, he folded.
I think CJ may be a surprise for us next year.
I wish the young man well wherever he lands.
I think his reduced playing time in 2nd halves and not being on the court in crunch time very often contributed mightily to his departure. Good 3 pt shooter and Free Throw shooter, and disappeared far too often for me.
I think the impact of his departure will be minimal, and that's regardless of who takes up those minutes.
Not really, but anyway fran is not racist and people throw that word around so much it doesn't mean much anymore
Cool, can you forward this to Kurt Warner and Hawkeyeinmo who regularly interject their conservative views into these boards....with way less pushback than this thread. That would be great, thanks!
When a three year starter transfers that isn't a "team" issue...there is no way to spin it. It is an issue.
Iowa will not be better off next year without Moss. I was actually thinking with the addition of a true PG coming into the picture Moss' skill set would be better utilized....guess we'll never know now.
IMO...right now...Iowa is a bubble team with one win in the NCAA being the ceiling. If they hit home runs in the transfer department that can change. So we'll see how the next few weeks come to conclusion.
Iowa will not be better off next year without Moss. I was actually thinking with the addition of a true PG coming into the picture Moss' skill set would be better utilized....guess we'll never know now.
IMO...right now...Iowa is a bubble team with one win in the NCAA being the ceiling. If they hit home runs in the transfer department that can change. So we'll see how the next few weeks come to conclusion.
I'd be interested in a link if you have one. When did Moss allude that?
Why is it an issue? The reality is Moss was the incumbent starter at SG simply because Fran seemed incapable or unwilling to find someone better then him. I know there are people all over the Moss spectrum but he was not a quality starter for this team. He was the weak link of the starting line-up and not having a stronger player in that role hindered Iowa achieving better results.
He was a completely one-dimensional player who struggled to do his one thing he did with any consistency. He was a terrible ball handler and decision maker and his defense was inconsistent at best. For every game he did shoot well, there were many more games he disappeared.
I know this sounds harsh but I think it is very likely he knew his playing time was going to continued to be cut into. He obviously has NBA aspirations (though those are just a pipe dream) because he went through the process last year.
I’m sure he realizes he’s going to be the 4th-5th scoring option with limited playing time and he decided that he would use his grad transfer option to go to a mid-major and play heavy minutes and score some points and hope for the best. Now if he ends up in a similar team like Wisconsin, then we can talk about what he is thinking but I’d say it is more likely he ends up in a team he thinks he will play heavy minutes and get a lot of shots.
You're nuts. Joe W, Garza, JBo will be the best core weve maybe ever had. With toussaint, cj, pmac coming in, jbo more at 2 and joe w being 30 min a game focal point, writing was on wall for moss. Sit back and enjoy the ride, hawks are going to be VERY good next yr
LOL.
I’ll hope for the best while taking a game by game approach.
This team still has a lot of questions that will need to be answered. Especially with the core that is returning depending on a quality player at one position Fran has not developed very well.
I’ll hope for the best while taking a game by game approach.
This team still has a lot of questions that will need to be answered. Especially with the core that is returning depending on a quality player at one position Fran has not developed very well.
Why is he leaving? Personally I thinks a lot has to do with fan sentiments like this. Definitely makes you lose that win it for the school pride thing. It’s more like “f-that” when you don’t even get the support of your own school/fans.
Great player or not, I really like Moss and always wanted him and every player to do well. Thank you for being a Hawkeye Isaiah!
Usually it was in the 2nd half but I guess this will be his final disappearing act.
You are an idiot. When getting political everything is split demographically. Democrats are the worst at it. That is all they talk about.
All he was pointing out was that that demographic is thriving. Which I would believe he feels is a good thing.
Go ahead and keep proving to the world that you are a moron.
It was a reference to an earlier poster, not moss. I'll probably bow out of this one now though since this thread took a wild turn down a rabbit hole.
Can Cook come back so we have a chance at a winning season?
This is f***ing ridiculous. It's like Iowa, and its players, have become conditioned to be afraid of success.
First it's always coming up short in close games just to get to the big games.....then it's always coming up short in big games......if it's not that its players getting hurt and never getting on track.....if its not that its players transferring and new players having to step in earlier than expected or with no experience.....or now like we're seeing more than ever before at Iowa, players turning pro early and forcing Iowa to move players up earlier than expected, and usually with guys who with all due respect, aren't as good (maybe yet) that very next year.
It's one f***ing thing after another to keep Iowa from putting everything together for a season to actually build something successful........and f***ing sustain it.
This is why our fans make it a point to be our own worst critics. Iowa cannot get out of their own f***ing way.
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The best core maybe ever? Did you start watching Iowa basketball in 2012?
The transfer situation has gotten crazy. It rarely works out the way either party thinks it will. A lot of these kids are getting sketchy counsel. From a program perspective, it’s better to have a strong program than a good team here and there. That’s why I agree with Fran’s general attitude towards the transfer market.
Losing experience/depth is never good. Period. Iowa will not be better because Moss is gone.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, when you have fans that are happy to see players leave the program, you have a sick program.
Republican, Democrat, green, libertarian, bull moose, I don't care. I'm happy to repeat this as often as necessary.
This is beyond comical on multiple levels. Fran invests 4 years in this kid and his reward is a transfer before his senior season. Moss has been gifted a starting spot by a coach who a: can't recruit guards and b: refused to recruit over him via high school, juco or graduate transfer despite his wildly inconsistent play.
Maybe (but unlikely) Fran will remove his head from the sand and go get a freaking graduate transfer now that a starting 2 spot is open and clearly a need. Instead I suspect we will hear how CJ and PMac are multi-position guys who can shoot, handle and guard so no worries about the 2 spot. Iowa's roster has less diversity than Ivy League schools. I am sure that will help recruiting. Hard to fathom Fran can make the roster less athletic but he is well on his way.
Maybe (but unlikely) Fran will remove his head from the sand and go get a freaking graduate transfer now that a starting 2 spot is open and clearly a need. Instead I suspect we will hear how CJ and PMac are multi-position guys who can shoot, handle and guard so no worries about the 2 spot. Iowa's roster has less diversity than Ivy League schools. I am sure that will help recruiting. Hard to fathom Fran can make the roster less athletic but he is well on his way.
I think transfers can be a chance to reset. In Moss' situation I don't see any gain for him.
I don't think moss leaving is bad, but losing moss, maishe, and cook will definitely hurt the team.
I agree that all these defections are sending u red flags for me. I hope Fran can get it fixed, otherwise it might be the beginning of the end for Fran.
It makes you wonder if the Dolph comments and how they were handled are contributing.
We definitely need at least 1 solid transfer this year.
I think the other possibility is that he looked at next year's team without Cook and Baer and didn't think they would make the NCAA tournament.
That’s ridiculous. You have not a clue if I supported Moss or not. I’m as big of Hawk fan as any and I’m assuming that people that take the time to Hanks our in this board and post are some of most passionate Iowa fans around.
This is a message board. They were created for die-hard fans to discuss their favorite teams. What’s the point of having a message board if the fans can’t have realistic, objective conversations about their teams? Why do the fans either have to be fully supportive or happy of everything Hawkeye (or just as bad negative and pissed about everything Hawkeye)? If we all are just going to sit around and be extreme to either side then they should just the board down.
I went to a number of games this year, I watched every game ... I want Iowa to win. I wanted Moss to be great and play lights out and be successful. And I’m sure 99% at least of the other Hawkeye fans wants the same thing. And occasionally he did some good things. He had full support from the fans but why should people on a message board sit there and lie and act like he was killing it.
If he’s leaving because a bunch of rubes like us are debating how good he is on anonymous message board then he probably doesn’t have the mental strength to compete at the high level he is at.
Your holier-than-thou attitude can take a hike. You aren’t some all-time great fan because you refuse to debate critically the players on the team on the one platform that was created for such things. Just because myself and others discuss his weaknesses and if we can get better at that position don’t make us lesser fans, it just makes us adults who are capable of having a two-sided conversation. We all supported Moss and cheered him on when he played. I’m sure he’s a nice kid and I hope for the best with him as well.
Fredrick is the wild card. He could be a nice surprise. Disappointed to see Moss go, though.
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LOL! Yeah, I remember the resounding boos from the Iowa faithful every time Moss took the court or touched the ball!
I also remember the Iowa fans keeping him on the bench in crunch time even though he's a good free throw shooter and a starter for 3 years running.
I'm not "happy" to see Moss go, and I don't think we have any serious upgrades to replace him with, so we lose an average player who will be replaced by an average player most likely, so what's the big deal?
Kids transfer now if they get a headache or a hangnail, it doesn't have to be some testament to a sinking ship in Iowa City.
Moss will go somewhere where he hopes he can remain on the court more, and in his mind probably audition for the NBA, which isn't in the cards for him IMO. He may very well light it up, as he's certainly capable. But most likely he'll remain wildly inconsistent, because that's who he's proven to be. He is a 5th year Senior, and you're supposed to get better over time, so it would stand to reason this will be his best year, but what does that really get you?
If it was a team issue thing for Moss, don't you think he would have left right after the season ended? I think this is indicative of the post season review that he had and that his minutes were going to likely be reduced by different lineups or new people coming in, including a possible grad transfer. I am not going to break down his game but it isn't a big leap to think it was possible he was told that his minutes could get reduced or that he saw that writing on the wall.
Cook leaving is NO way indicative of any team issue. We knew he came in hoping to leave early and he seemed genuinely happy about his time at Iowa. Dailey and Moss are a bit different. Individually, I think each makes sense but when you see that number of transfers you have to take a closer look. I really don't recall any transfer making snide comments after leaving but i may have missed that. Also, Fran and Iowa took pretty aggressive action over Dolphin's comments about Dailey.
I wish Moss well. I hope he finds the right spot and figures out how to consistently play good basketball.
Cook leaving is NO way indicative of any team issue. We knew he came in hoping to leave early and he seemed genuinely happy about his time at Iowa. Dailey and Moss are a bit different. Individually, I think each makes sense but when you see that number of transfers you have to take a closer look. I really don't recall any transfer making snide comments after leaving but i may have missed that. Also, Fran and Iowa took pretty aggressive action over Dolphin's comments about Dailey.
I wish Moss well. I hope he finds the right spot and figures out how to consistently play good basketball.
I fear a return to the defense of the 2017-2018 season next year
Who on this roster can stay in front of their man?
Even Joe got beat off the dribble often and he was the best. Ike, Mashie and Tyler could do it at times anyway. Joey T better be ready but he could end up like Custer at Little Big Horn.
Who on this roster can stay in front of their man?
Even Joe got beat off the dribble often and he was the best. Ike, Mashie and Tyler could do it at times anyway. Joey T better be ready but he could end up like Custer at Little Big Horn.
We are going to be a different team next year, but we also have a lot of experience. If the team meshes and has good chemistry we could be real good. If not, it could be an up and down year. I wish Moss the best but I think he was going to see fewer minutes next year and wanted to play more somewhere. Just a guess.
