ISU Grades

[UndercoverHawk]

285- Holloway just too small C for effort
125- Machine at work A
133- Better show for Laux C+
141- Topher needs to trust himself C+
149- Finished strong, workmanlike B+
157- Too amped, gassed, freshman C
165- Gutsy, improving B-
174- First period takedown, pace looked improved, good win B
184- Beat up a back up B+
197- Wilke has turned into Meyer D+

Edit to add McD in intermission game A+

 

[dhm47]

285- Holloway just too small C for effort
125- Machine at work A
133- Better show for Laux C+
141- Topher needs to trust himself C+
149- Finished strong, workmanlike B+
157- Too amped, gassed, freshman C
165- Gutsy, improving B-
174- First period takedown, pace looked improved, good win B
184- Beat up a back up B+
197- Wilke has turned into Meyer D+

I'd up carton to a B- and drop Kem to a c-

 

[Knight563]

Jeesh tough crowd. I walked out of Carver thinking if Stoll and Clark were going we'd win all 10 matches tonight!

 

[UndercoverHawk]

Jeesh tough crowd. I walked out of Carver thinking if Stoll and Clark were going we'd win all 10 matches tonight!

I agree I just thought we looked flat, minus Gilman, and weren't as big brother as we should be. Even Brooks looked not as sharp. I'm sure the wrestlers are hard enough on themselves though

 

[whejoe]

Refs deserve an A for all the stall calls.

 

[Knight563]

I agree I just thought we looked flat, minus Gilman, and weren't as big brother as we should be. Even Brooks looked not as sharp. I'm sure the wrestlers are hard enough on themselves though

That's my point. I think we were fine especially in mid-December. Let's focus on all the positives.

 

[UndercoverHawk]

Refs deserve an A for all the stall calls.

A- Harrington deserved more. No action after the first period

 

[TarpHawk]

Sorry, but I wasn't impressed.
Gilman = A
Everyone else = F

One guy wrestled the Iowa style. Everyone else was either sloppy, lazy, or wrestled to keep it close or eke out a win.

Everyone on the team should be forced to watch Gilman wrestle before they're allowed to wrestle another match.

 

[MitchL]

I think the opponent has a lot to do with it. We've had several lackluster matches recently against ISU.

This is more of a reflection on how bad the Clones are and how difficult it is to wrestle a garbage program where there is just no excitement or anticipation.

 

[Sandor45]

Jackson has to go. This rivalry is a joke.
There was 10x more excitement for the SDSU dual.
Next time the cyclones come to town as Jackson as their head coach and there's a snow storm, I'm staying home.

 

[AFHawk86]

Sorry, but I wasn't impressed.
Gilman = A
Everyone else = F

One guy wrestled the Iowa style. Everyone else was either sloppy, lazy, or wrestled to keep it close or eke out a win.

Everyone on the team should be forced to watch Gilman wrestle before they're allowed to wrestle another match.

Grading on the curve

 

[MitchL]

Extra, Extra, read all about it.

As expected, old man Downey has an excuse at the ready. To paraphrase... "If Spoon wins, Pat wrestles because he and Harrington would have gotten falls and ISU wins".

There you have it. It's the 174's fault.

At this point in the season... it's very difficult to predict that ISU will have any AAs again this year.

 

[whejoe]

Jackson has to go. This rivalry is a joke.
There was 10x more excitement for the SDSU dual.
Next time the cyclones come to town as Jackson as their head coach and there's a snow storm, I'm staying home.

Iowa should drop ISU and have a home and home series with SDSU each year.

 

[Sandor45]

Iowa should drop ISU and have a home and home series with SDSU each year.

Over 4,000 at the SDSU home meet.
They have a great coach staff in Bono, Reader, and Schopp. They have a rising fan base excited for wrestling
SDSU is the future

 

[Knight563]

Bono will be ISU head coach next year.

 

[rossel 33]

Sorry, but I wasn't impressed.
Gilman = A
Everyone else = F

One guy wrestled the Iowa style. Everyone else was either sloppy, lazy, or wrestled to keep it close or eke out a win.

Everyone on the team should be forced to watch Gilman wrestle before they're allowed to wrestle another match.

Brooks won by TF, and he gets an F?!?

 

[woodsiding]

I still can't believe Meeks. He was so good. I really thought his offense would translate to college.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

I listened to McD and the announcer onBTN Plus and they said that Brands told them that Clark could have gone if this was a BiG Ten meet , but decided to give him some more time before Midlands.

Sounds like a Fine decision to me.............

 

[SansSouci]

I think the opponent has a lot to do with it. We've had several lackluster matches recently against ISU.

This is more of a reflection on how bad the Clones are and how difficult it is to wrestle a garbage program where there is just no excitement or anticipation.

That doesn't make sense. If it does then it's poor coaching.

 

[edquinn06]

Always good to beat ISU! Keeping grinding boys. Peeking in March is all that matters!

 

[bphawkeye_Rivals]

Sorry, but I wasn't impressed.
Gilman = A
Everyone else = F

One guy wrestled the Iowa style. Everyone else was either sloppy, lazy, or wrestled to keep it close or eke out a win.

Everyone on the team should be forced to watch Gilman wrestle before they're allowed to wrestle another match.

Yikes - either someone on his 8 monster drink or 21st miller lite.

 

[SmartAggressive]

Yikes - either someone on his 8 monster drink or 21st miller lite.

I actually agree with Tarp and I haven't had any monster or miller. Maybe not all F's but pretty darn close. And I would actually give Gilman a B. Gotta pin kids like that.

As far as the officiating goes, C. Not at all consistent with stall calls. Queen should have been hit several times. Holloway took all the shots and queen just countered and then just rode parallel with no attempt to turn. In nearly all the matches, should have been more stalling called on the feet. When guys are running, they need to be hit.

Of course, if the wrestlers had shown up to wrestle, there wouldn't have been such a need for stall calls. Overall, really poor performance by both teams. Earlier in the week, I was really disappointed that the meet wasn't going to be televised as I feel that is very important to growing/saving the sport in the state. In hindsight, it's probably best that it wasn't televised.

 

[UndercoverHawk]

I actually agree with Tarp and I haven't had any monster or miller. Maybe not all F's but pretty darn close. And I would actually give Gilman a B. Gotta pin kids like that.

As far as the officiating goes, C. Not at all consistent with stall calls. Queen should have been hit several times. Holloway took all the shots and queen just countered and then just rode parallel with no attempt to turn. In nearly all the matches, should have been more stalling called on the feet. When guys are running, they need to be hit.

Of course, if the wrestlers had shown up to wrestle, there wouldn't have been such a need for stall calls. Overall, really poor performance by both teams. Earlier in the week, I was really disappointed that the meet wasn't going to be televised as I feel that is very important to growing/saving the sport in the state. In hindsight, it's probably best that it wasn't televised.

To be fair to Gilman he didn't get a chance after the second period. Two stalls and then he let him up easily so the match would be over. He was probably planning a feet to back move but...

 

[HawkMD]

I felt both video review calls should have been reversed.

 

[SmartAggressive]

To be fair to Gilman he didn't get a chance after the second period. Two stalls and then he let him up easily so the match would be over. He was probably planning a feet to back move but...

I'll agree with you on that. Probably should have pinned him before that, but Thomas couldn't have expected the 2 stall calls between periods. In that regard, those stall calls kind of hurt Gilman, but they were definitely the correct calls. I will give the official credit for that. Wish more refs had the stones to hit guys when they won't get back to the center and get set.

 

[4409]

That ISU kid that Kemerer wrestled was a funk master. Kemerer was gassed, but that kid was dangerous.

 

[SPOONER]

Brooks won by TF, and he gets an F?!?

Just Tarp being Tarp.

People are always pissed come March that we peaked in December or January. Guess what--we clearly aren't peaking in December.

And no, this isn't a top 5 team. Duh--we aren't a top 5 team without Clark and Stoll. Not exactly great analysis there. We certainly do have some holes.

 

[bphawkeye_Rivals]

I actually agree with Tarp and I haven't had any monster or miller. Maybe not all F's but pretty darn close. And I would actually give Gilman a B. Gotta pin kids like that.

As far as the officiating goes, C. Not at all consistent with stall calls. Queen should have been hit several times. Holloway took all the shots and queen just countered and then just rode parallel with no attempt to turn. In nearly all the matches, should have been more stalling called on the feet. When guys are running, they need to be hit.

Of course, if the wrestlers had shown up to wrestle, there wouldn't have been such a need for stall calls. Overall, really poor performance by both teams. Earlier in the week, I was really disappointed that the meet wasn't going to be televised as I feel that is very important to growing/saving the sport in the state. In hindsight, it's probably best that it wasn't televised.

Look - i recall Carl's 1st season at PSU. Iowa killed them - by some score similar to this (or worse w/o looking it up). But the one take away I had - was that the PSU guys wrestled hard to the end. The year or two before that when iowa wrestled psu - it was a joke - except if you wanted to see the best gramby rolls ever.
The point is - I agree that Iowa can't just be happy with beating a bad team. Iowa wrestlers need to dominate every match - or at least try to. IMO - So maybe the F for everyone is harsh - but maybe you are right.

 

[SPOONER]

That ISU kid that Kemerer wrestled was a funk master. Kemerer was gassed, but that kid was dangerous.

I think next time we'll see Kemerer take that match to his feet with much greater success. I actually liked it that he was looking for something big.

 

[wasdt21]

did anyone else have a problem with the swinging crossfaces that guy was doing to kem, I thought they were cheap shots.

 

[bphawkeye_Rivals]

did anyone else have a problem with the swinging crossfaces that guy was doing to kem, I thought they were cheap shots.

ouch - do you know me

 

[TarpHawk]

Brooks won by TF, and he gets an F?!?

I exaggerated a bit to make a point. Only one guy looked like a NC, and that should be the benchmark.

 

[final drive]

Outside of Gillman this Iowa team is going to have to get alot better if they want to compete with the top 3 in the country-Okie st., Penn st and Ohio st.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Outside of Gillman this Iowa team is going to have to get alot better if they want to compete with the top 3 in the country-Okie st., Penn st and Ohio st.

Let's not forget that we we're still missing a #1-ranked guy and a #5-ranked guy. With Clark and Stoll in the lineup, we win 9 of 10 matches in this meet, with our only loss by 1 point from a 184 wrestling up a weight, and everyone is feeling a lot better about things. Let's also not forget that we still smoked ISU (yes, another relatively weak ISU team) 26-9 without two of our studs, and we're all at least somewhat disappointed in the effort. Expectations are high, which is great, but our reaction to last night's result is also a sign that the program is in pretty darn good shape, IMO.

This team is a lot better with Clark and Stoll in the lineup. I still think they'll need to pick it up to compete at Nationals with PSU, OSU, and tOSU, but not necessarily a lot. If they pull Marinelli's redshirt, we're that much better yet. It's December, and they don't need to be peaking until 3 months from now. Plenty of time, and a lot can and will happen between now and then.

Sure, I would have liked to have seen a more dominating performance last night, but let's keep things in perspective.

 

[Gobblin]

I listened to McD and the announcer onBTN Plus and they said that Brands told them that Clark could have gone if this was a BiG Ten meet , but decided to give him some more time before Midlands.

Sounds like a Fine decision to me.............

I believe that's coach speak... Don't see any possible way that Cory is ready for Midlands.

 

[Tcalumet]

I listened to McD and the announcer onBTN Plus and they said that Brands told them that Clark could have gone if this was a BiG Ten meet , but decided to give him some more time before Midlands.

Sounds like a Fine decision to me.............

This is great news about Clark. Rest up Clark

 

[pablow]

As an amateur psychologist

Sorry, but I wasn't impressed.
Gilman = A
Everyone else = F . . .

Sometimes things are just too simple and are overlooked. Tarp's got it right.

"If not me, who? If not now, when?" - Hillel the Elder

 

[hawknut]

As an amateur psychologist


Sometimes things are just too simple and are overlooked. Tarp's got it right.

"If not me, who? If not now, when?" - Hillel the Elder

I totally agree that we are not a top 3 team. Some of you sound like parents in youth sports talking about how its pretty simple, we just need to go dominate. It is possible to dominate if you are really really good and much better than the opponent. Gilman is that much better than the vast majority of his opponents. The rest of our guys are not that much better than their opponents, thus they can't dominate. It is really that simple. Gunther, Laux, Kem (right now), Holloway, Wilke, Carton are just not good enough to dominate. You need to have better wrestlers to dominate. Our guys are not that much better. So, I wouldn't give any of the guys that won "F's" unless you think they are really skilled dominate wrestlers who should dominate. I don't. Kids come in way more developed now and we need to recruit better and do a better job recruiting to our holes.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

I totally agree that we are not a top 3 team. Some of you sound like parents in youth sports talking about how its pretty simple, we just need to go dominate. It is possible to dominate if you are really really good and much better than the opponent. Gilman is that much better than the vast majority of his opponents. The rest of our guys are not that much better than their opponents, thus they can't dominate. It is really that simple. Gunther, Laux, Kem (right now), Holloway, Wilke, Carton are just not good enough to dominate. You need to have better wrestlers to dominate. Our guys are not that much better. So, I wouldn't give any of the guys that won "F's" unless you think they are really skilled dominate wrestlers who should dominate. I don't. Kids come in way more developed now and we need to recruit better and do a better job recruiting to our holes.

I agree for the most part. However, it's a little disingenuous of all of us to be critical of two weights where we sent out back-ups, one of whom isn't remotely close to a full-sized heavyweight. We all know that our starters are big favorites in those match-ups, and they may have won in dominating fashion.

As to the expectation of everyone to dominate, I agree that it's unrealistic given our talent level at some weights and I agree that it's more a matter of bringing in a higher level of talent than anything. The good news is that this is exactly what our staff is doing now.

I do understand that fans would like to see more domination from guys like Brandon and Kemdawg, as those guys are super talented. Michael is inexperienced at this level, though, and I'm confident that he'll really come on with more experience and confidence. Probably had a bit of an adrenaline dump last night, too, in his first big-time home meet. He's a stud and will be a big crowd pleaser, I predict.

 

[pablow]

I totally agree that we are not a top 3 team. Some of you sound like parents in youth sports talking about how its pretty simple, we just need to go dominate. It is possible to dominate if you are really really good and much better than the opponent. Gilman is that much better than the vast majority of his opponents. The rest of our guys are not that much better than their opponents, thus they can't dominate. It is really that simple. Gunther, Laux, Kem (right now), Holloway, Wilke, Carton are just not good enough to dominate. You need to have better wrestlers to dominate. Our guys are not that much better. So, I wouldn't give any of the guys that won "F's" unless you think they are really skilled dominate wrestlers who should dominate. I don't. Kids come in way more developed now and we need to recruit better and do a better job recruiting to our holes.

My post has nothing to do with dominating opponents or stupid youth sport parents. It's about effort and accepting responsibility.

"Gunther, Laux, Kem (right now), Holloway, Wilke, Carton are just not good enough to dominate." Really? Are they not good enough to even try? This statement reminds of a one of my favorite quotes:

"If you don't design your own life plan, chances are you'll fall into someone else's plan. And guess what they have planned for you? Not much." -Jim Rohn
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