ISU hurting our SOS + Rhoads comments = Time to abandon ISU

[StormHawk42]

2 years on, 2 years off

If nothing more than for some variety of P5 teams out there. Would love to become one of the teams to play one of the neutral site games against the SEC.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

I do not think that means what you think it means.

Well, whatever it means, there were parts of that game where it appeared neither team wanted to win.

 

[ichawk24]

However, right now, the current Iowa/Iowa State contract is BAD for Univ of Iowa economically.

Yes, Iowa sells 70k seats at $70 a ticket against ISU at the cost of TWO games.
Now lets say Iowa sells 63K seats at $50 a ticket against MAC school with no return trip or worst case 2 for 1 with the one at Chicago. Even 2-1, you average Ticket receipt is barely lower while you get an additional 1/2 game worth of parking and concessions.

No. No. No.

You are ignoring the $1M we'll have to pay a MAC school to show up.

ISU game also helps season ticket demand.

The ISU game isn't going anywhere. Uninformed posts on the internet aren't changing that.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

Clown U better pray it continues or it will just expediate their transfer to the MAC.

 

[bman546]

Because they are both state schools, it makes financial sense to play each other. The money stays within the Iowa system. Tough sell to the Board of Regents to drop.

 

[hoffmkr]

No. No. No.

You are ignoring the $1M we'll have to pay a MAC school to show up.

ISU game also helps season ticket demand.

The ISU game isn't going anywhere. Uninformed posts on the internet aren't changing that.

Except you are wrong, when Iowa does a 2 for 1, Iowa does NOT pay a $1 million to show up. Iowa pays $1 million when they do NOT return a game.
If Iowa gets 2 games at $3+ Million each in ticket sales for MAC schools with no return trip, the economics are hugely in favor of dropping home and home with ISU.

The ISU game does help season tickets but not as much as winning record does.

 

[ichawk24]

We don't do 2 for 1s. Point out the last time that happened, it hasn't happened in the last 15 years.

You are just flat out wrong about two MAC games making more than ISU home and home.

 

[iCRUNCH]

 

[SDHawkDoc]

#1 It is an overall negative for the Iowa program.
#2 There is absolutely no chance the series will be dumped.

Keeping venting about it if you find it helpful. Otherwise, time to let it go.

 

[BubsFinn]

Iowa needs Iowa State. Every year either Iowa City or Ames absolutely rake as far as city income. A lot of students from each college will travel to the other cities.

Also, don't act like you don't get excited for this game every year. It's a god damn rivalry.

What Iowa really needs is for Iowa State to be good. Even 8 or 9 win good. That way when Iowa beats them it will be a quality win instead of a hole in the schedule.

I assure you, Iowa does not need Iowa State.
Iowa City is going to rake in plenty if they start playing real competition other than the Cyclones. And they won't have to give a bunch of it to their "rival" to help keep their doors open.
And for the record, not many Iowa fans get excited for this game. We get nervous that a shitty team, which doesn't know how to play past September, is going to screw up our season. Their is no joy in victory, only relief. Relief that we won't have to spend the next 364 days listening to Cyclone fans brag that one of their three big wins came against the Hawkeyes.
No, Iowa does not need Iowa State. We'll survive if the series ends, they will not.

 

[ferentzin04]

We don't do 2 for 1s. Point out the last time that happened, it hasn't happened in the last 15 years.

Leave me out of the pissing match, but we did a 2 for 1 with Miami about 10 years ago, back when Big Ben was there. Can't think of any others.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

We get nervous that a shitty team, which doesn't know how to play past September, is going to screw up our season.

I agree that Iowa State needs Iowa more than Iowa needs ISU. And clearly Iowa's program has proved superior over the years. There's no argument there.

But being nervous about getting beat by a shitty team (the general consensus of those wanting to end the series) is such a defeatist attitude, and clearly not the sign of a true championship caliber team. Alabama, OSU, LSU, Auburn... teams like this would lick their chops to have Iowa State on their schedule. But according to you, not Iowa.

I guess that's the difference between those programs, and yours.

 

[hawkit3113]

Play them once every 4 years.

 

[5Fan5]

I agree that Iowa State needs Iowa more than Iowa needs ISU. And clearly Iowa's program has proved superior over the years. There's no argument there.

But being nervous about getting beat by a shitty team (the general consensus of those wanting to end the series) is such a defeatist attitude, and clearly not the sign of a true championship caliber team. Alabama, OSU, LSU, Auburn... teams like this would lick their chops to have Iowa State on their schedule. But according to you, not Iowa.

I guess that's the difference between those programs, and yours.

By jove, I think you've got it....

Have the athletic administration (aka: the university President) call any or each of those schools and tell them that isu is available NOW. Should be no problem for isu to fill dates previously dedicated to playing Iowa and it will allow Iowa to move on from the current situation also.

Let us know how that works out for you.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

By jove, I think you've got it....

Have the athletic administration (aka: the university President) call any or each of those schools and tell them that isu is available NOW. Should be no problem for isu to fill dates previously dedicated to playing Iowa and it will allow Iowa to move on from the current situation also.

Let us know how that works out for you.

Just sayin dude... Bama scheduled Wisconsin, hell, even Michigan State scheduled Oregon (could go on and on). And you guys are crying about playing Iowa state because you're nervous they'll beat you? I don't hear that from upper tier programs. I just don't.

 

[herecomethehawkeyes]

Alabama, OSU, LSU, Auburn... teams like this would lick their chops to have Iowa State on their schedule.

 

[scotthawk1964]

As much as it hurts to say, I went to school at Iowa State back in the late 80's when Jim Walden was the coach. I was taking a PE major at that time. Coach Walden taught our class one day, and it was basically an hour of how the University of Iowa's team was terrible and wouldn't be competitive in the Big 8. That was the year that Dan McGwire played at Iowa before transferring to San Diego State. I just kept thinking the whole time Walden was trashing Iowa about how Iowa wiped the field with ISU every year, and what does it say about ISU then. They have always had an inferiority complex when it comes to Iowa.

 

[BubsFinn]

By jove, I think you've got it....

Have the athletic administration (aka: the university President) call any or each of those schools and tell them that isu is available NOW. Should be no problem for isu to fill dates previously dedicated to playing Iowa and it will allow Iowa to move on from the current situation also.

Let us know how that works out for you.

Good luck getting Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, Auburn, or anyone else to schedule a game in Ames. Who was the last non-conference BCS/Power 5 team not from Iowa City to play in Ames? (hint: it was before any of the current players were born)

 

[ichawk24]

Leave me out of the pissing match, but we did a 2 for 1 with Miami about 10 years ago, back when Big Ben was there. Can't think of any others.

Home and home in 2002/2003.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

I think if Iowa was beating Iowa State consistently, which they should, like they did when amassing the 15-game winning streak during the 80's and 90s, no one would be complaining about them being on the schedule.

The problem is, as many posters have pointed out (myself included), there is no joy, glee, satisfaction, or triumphant feelings that come from beating Iowa State in football. It is merely a "Pheeew" feeling and a deep sigh of relief. Also factor in that Iowa State puts all their chips on beating Iowa, and plays out of their ass to try to win every year, and it's just a lose/lose.

Regardless, the game will continue to be played, so all of this conversation is moot. Iowa just needs to come into the Iowa State game with the same level of passion ISU players bring and they should come out victorious 99.9999% of the time.

 

[Lone Clone]

I think if Iowa was beating Iowa State consistently, which they should, like they did when amassing the 15-game winning streak during the 80's and 90s, no one would be complaining about them being on the schedule.

You don't have to guess about that. Just look at history.

When ISU won 4 of the first 6 games, I heard a lot from my Hawkeye friends about how the series should never have been resumed, it was bad for the state, etc., etc., etc.

When Iowa ran off 15 straight, nary a peep about the series being bad for Iowa, or bad for the state, or anything negative at all.

When ISU made the series competitive again, the bitching and moaning started again.

Some here may think this is a coincidence. I do not.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

I don't see any reason to keep supporting their program either. Let them rot in the Mountain West once the Big 12 breaks apart. There is zero upside to playing them when they put all of their focus on the Iowa game and then proceed to go 3-9 each year.

Dump the game...... All for it as it does nothing for ISU.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

You don't have to guess about that. Just look at history.

When ISU won 4 of the first 6 games, I heard a lot from my Hawkeye friends about how the series should never have been resumed, it was bad for the state, etc., etc., etc.

When Iowa ran off 15 straight, nary a peep about the series being bad for Iowa, or bad for the state, or anything negative at all.

When ISU made the series competitive again, the bitching and moaning started again.

Some here may think this is a coincidence. I do not.

Nope. I agree. And I didn't guess, I stated it plainly. If Iowa State wasn't winning games in this series nobody would complain.

What I will agree with other Hawkeye fans on, however, is that Iowa has nothing to gain by playing Iowa State every year and everything to lose. Iowa wins and big deal they were supposed to. Iowa State wins and "Hahahaha this is a Cyclone state" and on and on it goes for months.

I've lived in Ames or the surrounding community for a while now and have plenty of Iowa State fans I'll claim as friends. I even support Iowa State when they aren't playing Iowa and have been to a few games at Hilton and Jack Trice. Pretty much all of my ISU friends are knowledgeable, level-headed, and decent to discuss sports with (as you seem to be). Many of them acknowledge a lot of Cyclone fans do put an unhealthy and obsessive emphasis on the Iowa game and have stated a handful of times they wish more Cyclone fans would continue to support the football team beyond the Iowa game. In turn, I am willing to concede a lot of Iowa fans are not only fickle (this particular message board had a much different tone about the Iowa football program four months ago) but also have a superiority complex toward Iowa State--when at times sound logic should dictate otherwise.

So, we agree that the whole discussion of "Iowa State brings down Iowa's strength of schedule" etc. is just smoke and mirrors for the real reason Iowa fans want to discontinue the series with Iowa State: Iowa doesn't always win the game (and since 2010 have a 50/50 split with Iowa State in wins). With that said, I do still agree with the points many of my fellow Hawkeye fans have made. And, as I've mentioned a couple times before, there has never been one time in my life where I have felt anything but "mmmeh" or total relief after a Hawkeye victory over Iowa State (in football).

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Dump the game...... All for it as it does nothing for ISU.

Haha. Right.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

I agree that Iowa State needs Iowa more than Iowa needs ISU. And clearly Iowa's program has proved superior over the years. There's no argument there.

But being nervous about getting beat by a shitty team (the general consensus of those wanting to end the series) is such a defeatist attitude, and clearly not the sign of a true championship caliber team. Alabama, OSU, LSU, Auburn... teams like this would lick their chops to have Iowa State on their schedule. But according to you, not Iowa.

I guess that's the difference between those programs, and yours.

Yeah even as a die hard Iowa fan I'll admit their is a difference between Iowa vs Alabama, OSU and LSU's of college football who routinely get 5* recruits and finish in top 10.

But love when people compare Iowa to these elite programs on here. Apples and oranges when we compare to these teams...

 

[5Fan5]

Home and home in 2002/2003.

You're close, but f04 was spot on.... Miami (Ohio) played twice in Iowa City (2001 and 2002) and returned a game at Oxford, Ohio in 2003.

 

[5Fan5]

Just sayin dude... Bama scheduled Wisconsin, hell, even Michigan State scheduled Oregon (could go on and on). And you guys are crying about playing Iowa state because you're nervous they'll beat you? I don't hear that from upper tier programs. I just don't.

Well, isu is certainly not Wisconsin or Michigan State. Care to try again? What Power 5 team is there that would be "licking their chops", I believe was the phase, to schedule a game in Ames, Iowa?

There is no nervousness about the outcome of the isu game. isu has won several games now. It is a matter of determining what truly is best for Iowa at this point. A game against isu does little, if anything at all. to bolster Iowa's opportunities in potential college football championship competition. It really is that simple.

 

[5Fan5]

Yeah even as a die hard Iowa fan I'll admit their is a difference between Iowa vs Alabama, OSU and LSU's of college football who routinely get 5* recruits and finish in top 10.

But love when people compare Iowa to these elite programs on here. Apples and oranges when we compare to these teams...

The apples to oranges may be only in your bias. Iowa does not have to be exceptional to compete with the likes of SEC teams. The record of bowl games during the Ferentz era is testament to that fact. If, by 'OSU', you are referring to Ohio State, Iowa has also played decently, although without many victories versus the Buckeyes. Hopefully, you are aware that tOSU is the reigning national champion and that Urban Meyer ran off an unprecedented string of wins in the Big Ten until the recent loss to Michigan State.

Who, exactly has isu scheduled and played from other Power 5 conferences lately?

 

[ferentzin04]

Home and home in 2002/2003.

We played them in Iowa City in 01 and 03, and played in Ohio in 02. 2 for 1.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/active/i/iowa/opponents_records.php?teamid=1969

 

[Nicretzlaff]

North Dakota State hurts your schedule worse than ISU. And I don't know why you would take offense to Rhodes comments about OU being the best team they faced all year. Iowa got a lot better as the season went on. And while they beat ISU--soundly--they weren't that great at the time. I remember watching that game thinking it was like a war of attrition.

Disagree-- NDSU beat ISU at home 2 years ago

 

[Nicretzlaff]

Drop ISU and let them drown in their own misery. They do hurt our SOS, their fans are bitter, and they get up for one game a year which is against the Hawks which (while we should win) does create a situation where ISU could sneak out a rivalry game win. We DO NOT need them and they need us. I think there would be s number of other power 5 schools we could schedule in lieu of ISU to get our SOS stronger and get some national coverage. He'll schedule a team where you recruit heavily, out east, down south, etc so that we get some exposure. I realize we don't want to lose but you gotta play the scheduling game to prove yourself in the end and IOWA STATE does nothing for us than drag our SOS and reputation down. For example, we were tied with them in the 4th quarter of the game this year and people look at this after in the year and wonder how that's possible if "Iowa is so good" but they don't understand it's a rivalry game and shit like that happens. But it HURT our image despite we won, no way around it

 

[ChosenChildren]

Wow, it sure felt good to blast them in their stadium this year. I think that game was beginning for Iowa, proving to themselves that they could win in a hostile environment. I say keep playing and beating them

 

[theIowaHawk]

Jesus, many of you are so damned pathetic and in denial.

I don't know who you are or where you live (in Iowa), it is always the biggest and most discussed game of the year. It IS a big deal, to claim otherwise is just bullshit bravado.

If you don't live in Iowa and aren't around many Iowans? Well, shit, who'da think you wouldn't care as much, as no one is talking about it, but that applies to basically every school and rivalry outside the biggest.

If you truly think that the "national media" or people around the US "care" about any Iowa/P5 matchup to the point where it would increase exposure by scheduling other teams...you've deluded yourself. Hell, that's the majority of what I read in this thread: delusion.

 

[Lone Clone]

Jesus, many of you are so damned pathetic and in denial.

I don't know who you are or where you live (in Iowa), it is always the biggest and most discussed game of the year. It IS a big deal, to claim otherwise is just bullshit bravado.

If you don't live in Iowa and aren't around many Iowans? Well, shit, who'da think you wouldn't care as much, as no one is talking about it, but that applies to basically every school and rivalry outside the biggest.

If you truly think that the "national media" or people around the US "care" about any Iowa/P5 matchup to the point where it would increase exposure by scheduling other teams...you've deluded yourself. Hell, that's the majority of what I read in this thread: delusion.

This is an honest, if obvious, assessment of both the situation and the deniers. I would only add that any ISU fans who claim ISU doesn't have more to gain from the series than does Iowa are also deniers.

It is a good deal for both schools and for the state in general. ISU benefits more because Iowa is a richer, higher-profile program and without the series, the in-state media coverage would be even more lopsided than it is. Anyone old enough to remember the situation before the series was resumed knows this to be true.

Revenue-wise, it is true that in the past, somebody at Iowa agreed to a bad deal -- although not as bad as some deniers claim. But the current situation, where each school keeps all the money from home games, remedied that problem.

 

[theIowaHawk]

This is an honest, if obvious, assessment of both the situation and the deniers. I would only add that any ISU fans who claim ISU doesn't have more to gain from the series than does Iowa are also deniers.

It is a good deal for both schools and for the state in general. ISU benefits more because Iowa is a richer, higher-profile program and without the series, the in-state media coverage would be even more lopsided than it is. Anyone old enough to remember the situation before the series was resumed knows this to be true.

Revenue-wise, it is true that in the past, somebody at Iowa agreed to a bad deal -- although not as bad as some deniers claim. But the current situation, where each school keeps all the money from home games, remedied that problem.

The in-state media coverage from the largest paper in the state has heavily leaned ISU for a decade. Every other paper, I agree with you.

 

[Trevor4Iowa]

Geez, you are upset that a team claimed Oklahoma was tougher than Iowa (without even mentioning Iowa)?

Oklahoma beat them by 36, Iowa beat them by 14.

Some of you will reach to any lengths to wad your panties. Oklahoma is damned good this year.

They are good, but not THAT good. They only beat over rated Big 12 teams. I don't think they belonged in the playoff with losing to Texas.

 

[5Fan5]

Wow, it sure felt good to blast them in their stadium this year. I think that game was beginning for Iowa, proving to themselves that they could win in a hostile environment. I say keep playing and beating them

Could be purely circumstantial.

It was a very good win in, yes, a hostile environment, but the resurgence for this team is now well documented. Everything started in January following the bowl game. Illinois State was a reasonable opening game opponent and Iowa played very well in that game. The second game just happened to be against isu. The game in Ames was not the beginning of anything really.

For the sake of this discussion, there are many teams that Iowa could have faced in week two this season. The examples are given of Wisconsin and Michigan State playing higher quality teams; Iowa could have done the same. Or, with slight adjustments, Iowa could have matched up in week two versus Pitt. This year that game was in Kinnick, but in other years it has been a road game. There are plenty of possibilities out there.

If you think about it, the reasons offered for Iowa absolutely needing to play isu every year just are not there. It is and has been for quite some time, a game of convenience that may offer some slight perks for the State of Iowa for a very limited period of time - and that is pretty much it. The landscape of college football has changed and Iowa must consider what maximizes the potential benefits most. Playing isu every year with a nine-game Big Ten schedule and trying to achieve the CFP is not serving that purpose.

 

[El Simbolo]

10 B1G games might also mean a 13 game regular season. Just sayin...

 

[5Fan5]

Jesus, many of you are so damned pathetic and in denial.

I don't know who you are or where you live (in Iowa), it is always the biggest and most discussed game of the year. It IS a big deal, to claim otherwise is just bullshit bravado.

If you don't live in Iowa and aren't around many Iowans? Well, shit, who'da think you wouldn't care as much, as no one is talking about it, but that applies to basically every school and rivalry outside the biggest.

If you truly think that the "national media" or people around the US "care" about any Iowa/P5 matchup to the point where it would increase exposure by scheduling other teams...you've deluded yourself. Hell, that's the majority of what I read in this thread: delusion.

I disagree. The isu game is a non-conference matchup featuring two schools from Iowa. Period. It is not Bedlam nor even Clemson versus South Carolina. It is not even Michigan going up against MSU due to the fact that being a conference game with real consequences at stake (and most everyone will agree that the single most important game for UM is not the in-state rival.)

Makes one wonder how it is that the State of Pennsylvania survives at all?

I live in central Iowa and the Iowa-isu game is not a topic of angst/discussion/consideration throughout the year. It is not even of primary importance long into the season. What it is is something that is overly hyped by print and broadcast media for a week or two prior and for less than that afterwards due to the ongoing nature of both institutions continuing to play their respective schedules.
Are you still hearing/reading a tremendous amount of material related to the recent basketball game in Ames? I'm not seeing it.

This past season was a perfect example of how Iowa is perceived nationally. When Iowa was continuing to win week by week by week and appeared in the rankings, many of the national 'experts' downplayed that other team from the Big Ten. As the winnowing of undefeated teams continued and Iowa was still winning, more and more attention was gained on a national scale (still not saying all were firmly in Iowa's corner because they were not). By week twelve/thirteen of the season, even some of the most staunch doubters of Iowa were taking closer looks, becoming much better informed and adjusting their opinions of Iowa to more favorable status.

Yes, Iowa is a small populated state unlike most of the others in the Big Ten footprint. But, Iowa is not so unlike teams from Wisconsin, Michigan, even Nebraska that they cannot gain recognition and acknowledgement on a wider scope. 2015 is evidence of that. To deny that is just not being realistic.

 

[5Fan5]

10 B1G games might also mean a 13 game regular season. Just sayin...

Not exactly sure where this is going, but it has been addressed several times that if this were ever to be the situation, the case for limiting Iowa to one and only one opponent from another Power 5 Conference (i.e. an isu) is not good strategy when considering the nuances of the CFP.