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Jan. 6 wasn't an insurrection. Stop calling it what it isn’t.

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Words have meaning.

The events of Jan. 6 have been described by Senator Schumer as a date that will live in infamy — harkening back to FDR’s words after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Others have compared Jan. 6 with 9-11. Some historians declared it to be the worst act of rebellion since the nation’s founding, while others believe there’s been nothing like it since the Civil War. The news media and the Left use “insurrection” to describe Jan. 6.

They’re all wrong.

Historically, Shays’ Rebellion (1786-1787), the Whiskey Rebellion (1790), and Fries Rebellion (1799) were actual acts of insurrection.

Post-Civil War, the Wilmington Insurrection (1898) is by far worse than Jan. 6. Another one, the Battle of Athens, TN (1946), involved local armed WWII GIs taking over the town, forcing the corrupt sheriff to hide in the jail clinging to the election ballot boxes, until he finally surrendered and the GIs’ candidate won the election. There were the L.A. riots of 1992.

And the BLM riots during the summer of 2020 caused 18 deaths, over $1 billion dollars in damage, including federal and state buildings, and in some cities sovereign nations were declared.

Jan. 6. caused $1.5 million in damage and, despite what was often reported, one person was killed. An unarmed woman, Ashley Babbitt, was shot by a Capitol police officer. The officer’s interview on NBC resulted in more questions than answers about why he fired his weapon and killed Babbitt.

The word insurrection is a legal term. Under federal law it’s a crime to incite or engage in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the U.S. or its laws. Black’s Law Dictionary defines insurrection as “a violent revolt against oppressive authority.” It is to be distinguished from a mob or riot based on organization of an armed uprising. Mobs and riots can involve unlawful and violent acts, but they aren’t necessarily insurrections. A revolt is an act to overthrow the government. Insurrection, therefore, requires an organized group that plans an attack to overthrow the government.

To date, a small percentage of the approximately 725 charged have been accused of violent crimes, and no charges of rebellion or insurrection have been filed. Around 165 have pled guilty to charges — mostly to misdemeanors. Only 30 were given jail time. The FBI investigation has yielded little evidence of a coordinated and organized attack. Instead, 95 percent of the participants were acting individually.

An AP story intending to link Trump to the riot published some of the comments made by participants during court appearances. None of them stated that the event was planned. Indeed, most indicated they didn’t really know why they did it. They said they felt inspired by Trump’s comments and believed the election was fraudulent, but there was no organized or coordinated plan to attack the Capitol.

Most of the Jan. 6 participants have been charged with trespass. One local man was at the Capitol dressed as George Washington for selfies. A woman from Missouri recently admitted being at the Capitol and stealing a broken sign.

Video footage shows people walking single file past idle officers as they entered the building. Afterward, most exited on their own accord.

Very few were arrested that day. Since Jan. 6, the DOJ has used a campaign of “shock and awe” to round up and detain people, again predominantly charged with misdemeanors. Compared with the BLM riots, prosecutors do seem more zealous about Jan. 6. Yet, insurrection charges haven’t been filed.

Confrontation between officers and rioters did happen. Violence definitely occurred. But, the only shot fired was, again, by the officer who killed Babbitt.

Jan. 6 was a horrible event. People who acted violently or damaged property should be prosecuted. Those who unlawfully trespassed should also be prosecuted. But as bad as Jan. 6 actually was, it was not the worst in American history. It can’t be compared to Pearl Harbor or 9-11. It’s not even the worst this century.

Because words have meaning, Jan. 6 can’t be called an “insurrection” just to satisfy the urge to convey a particular seriousness of the event or to propagate a political narrative. This type of narrative is aimed at silencing conservatives, not describing what happened that day. Most participants were not violent people. They weren’t acting as part of a coordinated rebellion. There was no intent to topple the government. They were impassioned citizens at a rally that turned into a riot. It was shameful, but not an insurrection.

 
Dude. It was an insurrection. They stormed the damn Capital, committed violence, and broke federal laws.

What’s your Venmo? I’ll send you a dollar so you can buy a clue.
NOPE!

The word insurrection is a legal term. Under federal law it’s a crime to incite or engage in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the U.S. or its laws. Black’s Law Dictionary defines insurrection as “a violent revolt against oppressive authority.” It is to be distinguished from a mob or riot based on organization of an armed uprising. Mobs and riots can involve unlawful and violent acts, but they aren’t necessarily insurrections. A revolt is an act to overthrow the government. Insurrection, therefore, requires an organized group that plans an attack to overthrow the government.
 
NOPE!

The word insurrection is a legal term. Under federal law it’s a crime to incite or engage in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the U.S. or its laws. Black’s Law Dictionary defines insurrection as “a violent revolt against oppressive authority.” It is to be distinguished from a mob or riot based on organization of an armed uprising. Mobs and riots can involve unlawful and violent acts, but they aren’t necessarily insurrections. A revolt is an act to overthrow the government. Insurrection, therefore, requires an organized group that plans an attack to overthrow the government.
Weak...weak... weaksauce. But keep on supporting the insurrection. You go girl !!
 
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in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/
noun
a violent uprising against an authority or government.

insurrection
in·sur·rec·tion ˌin(t)-sə-ˈrek-shən
noun
an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

insurrection
noun
US /ˌɪn.sɚˈek.ʃən/ UK /ˌɪn.sərˈek.ʃən/
an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence.
 
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in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/
noun
a violent uprising against an authority or government.

insurrection
in·sur·rec·tion ˌin(t)-sə-ˈrek-shən
noun
an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

insurrection
noun
US /ˌɪn.sɚˈek.ʃən/ UK /ˌɪn.sərˈek.ʃən/
an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence.
@RicoSuave102954 Please explain how the events of that day don't meet the definitions provided.
 
I can't support something that didn't happen dumbshit.

You can argue about semantics, sure. But, how can you argue for protestors beating up cops? Or killing them? Or destroying sacred American property? Or shitting, literally, in the halls of that property? It's disgusting. And you're disgusting for even attempting to downplay what happened that day.
 
Words have meaning.

The events of Jan. 6 have been described by Senator Schumer as a date that will live in infamy — harkening back to FDR’s words after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Others have compared Jan. 6 with 9-11. Some historians declared it to be the worst act of rebellion since the nation’s founding, while others believe there’s been nothing like it since the Civil War. The news media and the Left use “insurrection” to describe Jan. 6.

They’re all wrong.

Historically, Shays’ Rebellion (1786-1787), the Whiskey Rebellion (1790), and Fries Rebellion (1799) were actual acts of insurrection.

Post-Civil War, the Wilmington Insurrection (1898) is by far worse than Jan. 6. Another one, the Battle of Athens, TN (1946), involved local armed WWII GIs taking over the town, forcing the corrupt sheriff to hide in the jail clinging to the election ballot boxes, until he finally surrendered and the GIs’ candidate won the election. There were the L.A. riots of 1992.

And the BLM riots during the summer of 2020 caused 18 deaths, over $1 billion dollars in damage, including federal and state buildings, and in some cities sovereign nations were declared.

Jan. 6. caused $1.5 million in damage and, despite what was often reported, one person was killed. An unarmed woman, Ashley Babbitt, was shot by a Capitol police officer. The officer’s interview on NBC resulted in more questions than answers about why he fired his weapon and killed Babbitt.

The word insurrection is a legal term. Under federal law it’s a crime to incite or engage in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the U.S. or its laws. Black’s Law Dictionary defines insurrection as “a violent revolt against oppressive authority.” It is to be distinguished from a mob or riot based on organization of an armed uprising. Mobs and riots can involve unlawful and violent acts, but they aren’t necessarily insurrections. A revolt is an act to overthrow the government. Insurrection, therefore, requires an organized group that plans an attack to overthrow the government.

To date, a small percentage of the approximately 725 charged have been accused of violent crimes, and no charges of rebellion or insurrection have been filed. Around 165 have pled guilty to charges — mostly to misdemeanors. Only 30 were given jail time. The FBI investigation has yielded little evidence of a coordinated and organized attack. Instead, 95 percent of the participants were acting individually.

An AP story intending to link Trump to the riot published some of the comments made by participants during court appearances. None of them stated that the event was planned. Indeed, most indicated they didn’t really know why they did it. They said they felt inspired by Trump’s comments and believed the election was fraudulent, but there was no organized or coordinated plan to attack the Capitol.

Most of the Jan. 6 participants have been charged with trespass. One local man was at the Capitol dressed as George Washington for selfies. A woman from Missouri recently admitted being at the Capitol and stealing a broken sign.

Video footage shows people walking single file past idle officers as they entered the building. Afterward, most exited on their own accord.

Very few were arrested that day. Since Jan. 6, the DOJ has used a campaign of “shock and awe” to round up and detain people, again predominantly charged with misdemeanors. Compared with the BLM riots, prosecutors do seem more zealous about Jan. 6. Yet, insurrection charges haven’t been filed.

Confrontation between officers and rioters did happen. Violence definitely occurred. But, the only shot fired was, again, by the officer who killed Babbitt.

Jan. 6 was a horrible event. People who acted violently or damaged property should be prosecuted. Those who unlawfully trespassed should also be prosecuted. But as bad as Jan. 6 actually was, it was not the worst in American history. It can’t be compared to Pearl Harbor or 9-11. It’s not even the worst this century.

Because words have meaning, Jan. 6 can’t be called an “insurrection” just to satisfy the urge to convey a particular seriousness of the event or to propagate a political narrative. This type of narrative is aimed at silencing conservatives, not describing what happened that day. Most participants were not violent people. They weren’t acting as part of a coordinated rebellion. There was no intent to topple the government. They were impassioned citizens at a rally that turned into a riot. It was shameful, but not an insurrection.

Tl;dr
 
You can argue about semantics, sure. But, how can you argue for protestors beating up cops? Or killing them? Or destroying sacred American property? Or shitting, literally, in the halls of that property? It's disgusting. And you're disgusting for even attempting to downplay what happened that day.
I posted this in PapaTed's dumba$$ery thread as well, but the sight of the insurrectionists breaching the Senate Chambers is one of the most chilling of all the videos. "While we're here, we might as well set up a government."

Could you imagine how Rico and other's would feel if the people doing it were Muslims or other brown people? They'd be losing their ever-love'n minds.

 
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in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/
noun
a violent uprising against an authority or government.

insurrection
in·sur·rec·tion ˌin(t)-sə-ˈrek-shən
noun
an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

insurrection
noun
US /ˌɪn.sɚˈek.ʃən/ UK /ˌɪn.sərˈek.ʃən/
an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence.

Thanks for the backup while I was out. The douche canoes need their medicine!
 
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The definition is everything.

Many want it to be called an insurrection when it was a protest that got rowdy and turned into a mob. Some took to riotous acts. There was destruction of property. Pushing and shoving led to capitol police being hurt. Many were just there to be part of a spectacle. A few had delusions they would/could affect an election outcome.


What happened in Minneapolis in 2020 was indeed worse on the scale of riots. I think one could make the case that that insurrection against the city of Minneapolis and Hennepin County was taking place since some hard line protesters had thoughts of establishing a CHAZ/CHOP type area. Hard to argue that when measuring the scale of property damage and assault made on public officers. Lest not forget, they burned an entire police precinct down. The rioters were certainly rioting against the government authority. Blocks burned. Paid antagonizers showed up quickly to further the destruction. That demonstrates organization.

For non-Trumpers, the entire argument hinges on the definition of the word used to describe the day. I’m not MAGA but I also believe use of the word insurrection is weak at best.

Speaking of CHAZ/CHOP - any of those dudes get charged with insurrection?
 
My favorite part is where the article makes a claim that Jan. 6 wasn't an insurrection, it defines what the legal definition of an insurrection is, and the definition they provide describes precisely what happened on January 6, 2021.
Was it just an escorted Capital Tour gone awry?
These phuqued s knew what they were doing...they broke into the Capital, they invaded “restricted” visitor areas and they successfully interrupted the Congress doing its Constitutionally sworn duty...providing an orderly transfer of power of the Federal government. The sumbitches, knowingly (or not) were committing treason and ignorance of the law does by no way excuse their illegal and treasonist behavior.
 
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@RicoSuave102954 Please explain how the events of that day don't meet the definitions provided.
Because words have meaning, Jan. 6 can’t be called an “insurrection” just to satisfy the urge to convey a particular seriousness of the event or to propagate a political narrative. This type of narrative is aimed at silencing conservatives, not describing what happened that day. Most participants were not violent people. They weren’t acting as part of a coordinated rebellion. There was no intent to topple the government. They were impassioned citizens at a rally that turned into a riot. It was shameful, but not an insurrection.
 
The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers take offense to your depiction of their insurgency efforts as not coordinated.
 
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Because words have meaning, Jan. 6 can’t be called an “insurrection” just to satisfy the urge to convey a particular seriousness of the event or to propagate a political narrative. This type of narrative is aimed at silencing conservatives, not describing what happened that day. Most participants were not violent people. They weren’t acting as part of a coordinated rebellion. There was no intent to topple the government. They were impassioned citizens at a rally that turned into a riot. It was shameful, but not an insurrection.
You didn't respond to the request. Definitions were provided. I'll try again.

@RicoSuave102954 Please explain how the events of that day don't meet the definitions provided.
 
The definition is everything.

Many want it to be called an insurrection when it was a protest that got rowdy and turned into a mob. Some took to riotous acts. There was destruction of property. Pushing and shoving led to capitol police being hurt. Many were just there to be part of a spectacle. A few had delusions they would/could affect an election outcome.


What happened in Minneapolis in 2020 was indeed worse on the scale of riots. I think one could make the case that that insurrection against the city of Minneapolis and Hennepin County was taking place since some hard line protesters had thoughts of establishing a CHAZ/CHOP type area. Hard to argue that when measuring the scale of property damage and assault made on public officers. Lest not forget, they burned an entire police precinct down. The rioters were certainly rioting against the government authority. Blocks burned. Paid antagonizers showed up quickly to further the destruction. That demonstrates organization.

For non-Trumpers, the entire argument hinges on the definition of the word used to describe the day. I’m not MAGA but I also believe use of the word insurrection is weak at best.

Speaking of CHAZ/CHOP - any of those dudes get charged with insurrection?
I saw a tik tok where someone made the claim that no one had been arrested or convicted of insurrection, so I looked it up last week. That's true. There have been 18 arrested for conspiracy to commit an insurrection, but they apparently weren't actually at the Capitol on January 6th. Charges have been mostly trespassing.

It seems the DoJ has been careful to not charge anyone with actual insurrection based on the Federal Statute because they would have to prove the intent of taking over the government. That might not be as easy as some on here would like to believe. The building was certainly breached, and Congress did flee, and there was definitely vandalism. On the flip side, there wasn't any attempt to occupy the building for longer than a few hours, and certainly not permanently, and not through use of armed force.

Most people can see that it's not necessarily cut and dried whether it was truly an insurrection, or rather a riot. Was the intent to disrupt the proceeding, or was it to take over the government? Both are insane and despicable acts, and should be punished, but insurrection is far worse in the eyes of the law.
 
I saw a tik tok where someone made the claim that no one had been arrested or convicted of insurrection, so I looked it up last week. That's true. There have been 18 arrested for conspiracy to commit an insurrection, but they apparently weren't actually at the Capitol on January 6th. Charges have been mostly trespassing.

It seems the DoJ has been careful to not charge anyone with actual insurrection based on the Federal Statute because they would have to prove the intent of taking over the government. That might not be as easy as some on here would like to believe. The building was certainly breached, and Congress did flee, and there was definitely vandalism. On the flip side, there wasn't any attempt to occupy the building for longer than a few hours, and certainly not permanently, and not through use of armed force.

Most people can see that it's not necessarily cut and dried whether it was truly an insurrection, or rather a riot. Was the intent to disrupt the proceeding, or was it to take over the government? Both are insane and despicable acts, and should be punished, but insurrection is far worse in the eyes of the law.
It's the liberal press and their ilk the democrats that are making more out of this than it really was.

Polls show the American public tired of hearing about it and actually are polling that Trump was more set up than responsible.

Time to move on nothing to see here.
 
It's the liberal press and their ilk the democrats that are making more out of this than it really was.

Polls show the American public tired of hearing about it and actually are polling that Trump was more set up than responsible.

Time to move on nothing to see here.
Polls?? 😅😅 Yeah... just a 'picnic'. BTW, the thousands convicted of felonies and in prison/jail for their picnicing say hello. After they are done crying.
 
Polls?? 😅😅 Yeah... just a 'picnic'. BTW, the thousands convicted of felonies and in prison/jail for their picnicing say hello. After they are done crying.
Even the Republicans in Congress condemned 'the picnic' as it happened, and as they scurried away in fear for their lives. Only later did they turn weak-kneed and spineless in their attempt to placate Lying Donnie Sexual Abuser's lie about the event. They deserve to be in prison along with the insurgents serving time for their crime.
 
The definition is everything.

Many want it to be called an insurrection when it was a protest that got rowdy and turned into a mob. Some took to riotous acts. There was destruction of property. Pushing and shoving led to capitol police being hurt. Many were just there to be part of a spectacle. A few had delusions they would/could affect an election outcome.


What happened in Minneapolis in 2020 was indeed worse on the scale of riots. I think one could make the case that that insurrection against the city of Minneapolis and Hennepin County was taking place since some hard line protesters had thoughts of establishing a CHAZ/CHOP type area. Hard to argue that when measuring the scale of property damage and assault made on public officers. Lest not forget, they burned an entire police precinct down. The rioters were certainly rioting against the government authority. Blocks burned. Paid antagonizers showed up quickly to further the destruction. That demonstrates organization.

For non-Trumpers, the entire argument hinges on the definition of the word used to describe the day. I’m not MAGA but I also believe use of the word insurrection is weak at best.

Speaking of CHAZ/CHOP - any of those dudes get charged with insurrection?
Seattle had people that declared themselves their own country. They were armed and took possession of land. No insurrection or treason charges to be seen
 
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It's the liberal press and their ilk the democrats that are making more out of this than it really was.

Polls show the American public tired of hearing about it and actually are polling that Trump was more set up than responsible.

Time to move on nothing to see here.
I don't think they are making more of it than it is. It was at the very least a riot, and it was an attempt to keep Congress from certifying the election. I do agree the word insurrection is more inflammatory, and carries a different legal meaning.
 
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Hey look, Ray Epps got the lightest punishment possible despite agitating people the night before and telling them to go into the Capitol and then leading the charge on j6. Fed.
 
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