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JFC. GOP already talking about impeaching Hillary

Nice to see you join hawk prime as being a bitter child in these threads.

Why? Because I'm calling you out on your shit?

You literally said that Hillary Clinton is bad. It's right here at the top of the page. Let me quote it for you.

Are you seriously this immature? These elections aren't about voting for who you want. They're about voting for who you can. I'll caucus for Bernie, but it's highly unlikely he will be the nominee, which means that I either have to vote for Hillary or the lunacy the GOP has to offer these days. So I choose Hillary. She's bad, but the Republicans are way worse.

You're a partisan hack. You're choosing the Democratic machine over what you actually believe in. Because, "Republicans are way worse". It's childish and tells me all I need to know about your level of commitment to actually fixing this country.
 
Please explain how Hillary is closer to Bush than Sanders? And don't simply cop-out with their establishment ties. I want specific issue by issue comparisons. I'll even start us out. Both Bernie and Hillary believe in gay rights, making it easier to vote, and easier access to education. They also both believe in raising the minimum wage and moving healthcare into the public rather than private realm. Bush opposes all of these thing.

Military, wall street regulation, free-trade, tax rates.

I don't think you understand how far away Hillary is from Sanders. If you really like Sanders, you shouldn't like Hillary at all.

You, and others, have rightfully pointed out that a lot of the Republican outrage at Obama is misplaced, because he's so much more moderate than one would think (based of the comments of Republicans). Now, you want to backtrack and say that the Dems are somehow idealistic and not like the R's at all.

They're two sides of the same coin. I like the Dems on social policy and the R's on fiscal (if either would actually stick to their word).

But just as Ron Paul is less like Jeb than Jeb is like HRC, Sanders is less like HRC than HRC is like Jeb.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with supporting Hillary, by itself. It means those are your views. But you can't with a straight face, after calling Hillary "bad" earlier in this thread, tell me that you think she's similar to Sanders. Sanders is way way way left. And you like that. You should stick to your guns instead of wilting and pulling the lever for someone who is just kinda left.
 
Huey, Ciggy, Devil, and all of the other hardcore liberals.....Tell us why you want her to be President. Tell us how, even though she's voted and pushed for every recent war we have been in, that she will discontinue that trend. Tell us how she will break apart the war machine. Tell us how she will take apart the companies that pay her to do what she does. Enlighten us all.

I don't care to hear anything about the GOP. #$# them too.
I can't speak for the rest, but I want her to be President because it will drive you righties completely out of what is lift of your feeble, warped minds. LC has already been reduced to to drooling gibberish at the prospect.
 
There is no better or worse, if the candidates are paid for by the same lobbying you moron. Have we suddenly become less involved in the ME? Have we suddenly regained the freedoms we lost during the Bush administration? Has the growth of Corporate American slowed down? Is the 1% any less rich than before?
How about the state of racial relations? Are they any better? What's better now than before Ciggy?
But they're not paid by the same lobbyists, so how does your argument hold any water?
 
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Why? Because I'm calling you out on your shit?

You literally said that Hillary Clinton is bad. It's right here at the top of the page. Let me quote it for you.



You're a partisan hack. You're choosing the Democratic machine over what you actually believe in. Because, "Republicans are way worse". It's childish and tells me all I need to know about your level of commitment to actually fixing this country.
If you cared, which you obviously don't, I've explained many times why voting for someone you don't necessarily like is better than simply handing the election to someone you really don't like. It's called making the best of bad choices. I've also explained many times, which you have also ignored, why I prefer Democrats over Republicans. At this point, your posts are just becoming ridiculous.
 
Military, wall street regulation, free-trade, tax rates.

I don't think you understand how far away Hillary is from Sanders. If you really like Sanders, you shouldn't like Hillary at all.

You, and others, have rightfully pointed out that a lot of the Republican outrage at Obama is misplaced, because he's so much more moderate than one would think (based of the comments of Republicans). Now, you want to backtrack and say that the Dems are somehow idealistic and not like the R's at all.

They're two sides of the same coin. I like the Dems on social policy and the R's on fiscal (if either would actually stick to their word).

But just as Ron Paul is less like Jeb than Jeb is like HRC, Sanders is less like HRC than HRC is like Jeb.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with supporting Hillary, by itself. It means those are your views. But you can't with a straight face, after calling Hillary "bad" earlier in this thread, tell me that you think she's similar to Sanders. Sanders is way way way left. And you like that. You should stick to your guns instead of wilting and pulling the lever for someone who is just kinda left.
I stopped reading after you claimed that Hillary has the same tax plan as the Republicans.
 
I stopped reading after you claimed that Hillary has the same tax plan as the Republicans.

Not the same, but closer to that than it is to Sanders. And it is. Sanders is proposing off the charts tax reform. Hillary is merely tweaking things that are already out there.

Jesus Red. You don't speak in nuance at all. It's all "Republican bad, Democrat good."

I'm pretty well over discussing things with you. I forgot how big of a partisan hack you were. You might be bright, but you're stubborn and unwilling to use that intelligence in any way.

Sad.
 
If you cared, which you obviously don't, I've explained many times why voting for someone you don't necessarily like is better than simply handing the election to someone you really don't like. It's called making the best of bad choices. I've also explained many times, which you have also ignored, why I prefer Democrats over Republicans. At this point, your posts are just becoming ridiculous.

So we're back to square one.

I vote for people who have innovative ideas and who help change the future of each Party, and thus help move the needle forward.

You vote for whoever the Democrats tell you to vote for.

Congrats on being worthless.
 
Not the same, but closer to that than it is to Sanders. And it is. Sanders is proposing off the charts tax reform. Hillary is merely tweaking things that are already out there.

Jesus Red. You don't speak in nuance at all. It's all "Republican bad, Democrat good."

I'm pretty well over discussing things with you. I forgot how big of a partisan hack you were. You might be bright, but you're stubborn and unwilling to use that intelligence in any way.

Sad.
Do you know what partisan means? Your posts in this thread suggest that you do not.
 
So we're back to square one.

I vote for people who have innovative ideas and who help change the future of each Party, and thus help move the needle forward.

You vote for whoever the Democrats tell you to vote for.

Congrats on being worthless.
Pretty sad that you have to resort to name calling because you're unable to debate these matters in any other way. It's also pretty sad that you're ignored the plain fact that I typically vote third party, a fact I've clearly pointed out in this thread. I'm curious if you've really read any of my posts in this thread?
 
Do you know what partisan means? Your posts in this thread suggest that you do not.

A strong supporter of a party, cause, or person. Synonyms: supporter, follower, adherent, devotee, champion.


Keep pulling that D lever, Red. Really takes some extreme courage to vote, your whole life, for whoever the DNC tells you to vote for.
 
This post makes me think that you don't know how these elections work. Electing the President has almost always been the lesser of evils. Further, what world are you living in where you think that you will agree 100% with any candidate? I agree with Hillary far more than I agree with any of the Republicans. So I will vote for her. I'm not sure why you can't get this? The only way you can assure that you will agree 100% with the person you will vote for is to run yourself.

Pretty sad that you have to resort to name calling because you're unable to debate these matters in any other way. It's also pretty sad that you're ignored the plain fact that I typically vote third party, a fact I've clearly pointed out in this thread. I'm curious if you've really read any of my posts in this thread?

I feel like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth now.

Look, vote for Hillary. But don't complain when you keep getting the same re-branded pile of shit every 4-8 years from the DNC. You're not holding them accountable.

Maybe you did vote 3rd Party at one point (I have other things to do than write down every post word for word), but you're clearly advocating not voting 3rd Party. That's the crux of this entire argument...
 
A strong supporter of a party, cause, or person. Synonyms: supporter, follower, adherent, devotee, champion.


Keep pulling that D lever, Red. Really takes some extreme courage to vote, your whole life, for whoever the DNC tells you to vote for.
Thought you said you were done talking to me in this thread?

And thank you for your internet definition of partisan. Now please explain to me how calling Hillary "bad" makes me a strong supporter of her? How does me saying I will have to hold my nose to vote for her makes me a strong supporter? Seems to me that it would make me a begrudgingly supporter of her. Do you see why I suspect that you don't really know the meaning of "partisan?"

And finally, can you please stop with this petulant DNC stuff? I vote third party more than I vote Dem. It just makes everything you say in this thread look ignorant when you ignore a fact that has been stated many times.
 
Why? Because I'm calling you out on your shit?

You literally said that Hillary Clinton is bad. It's right here at the top of the page. Let me quote it for you.



You're a partisan hack. You're choosing the Democratic machine over what you actually believe in. Because, "Republicans are way worse". It's childish and tells me all I need to know about your level of commitment to actually fixing this country.
I disagree. Voting for the least bad is logical and prudent.
 
I feel like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth now.

Look, vote for Hillary. But don't complain when you keep getting the same re-branded pile of shit every 4-8 years from the DNC. You're not holding them accountable.

Maybe you did vote 3rd Party at one point (I have other things to do than write down every post word for word), but you're clearly advocating not voting 3rd Party. That's the crux of this entire argument...
For a man who claims he knows about nuance, you aren't demonstrating much in this thread. I clearly advocated not voting third party during close elections, but doing so when there is little chance the candidate you don't want to win can actually do so. It's a distinct, but salient point that ciggy and I agreed on. You're clearly not reading my posts.
 
So we're back to square one.

I vote for people who have innovative ideas and who help change the future of each Party, and thus help move the needle forward.

You vote for whoever the Democrats tell you to vote for.

Congrats on being worthless.
There are only two options that matter. If you are doing as you say, you too are voting for the R or the D. If you are putting your vote on some alternative candidate, I don't think you are doing what you think you're doing.
 
You have two mass murderers. Neither one is going to kill you, but you have an option for a 3rd party. Who do you vote for? Because that is probably going to be your choice come next election.
The best of the two that can win. Tossing your vote on a 3rd party is childish and only serves to make you feel better. Working within the system is how things change.
 
Rubio, he's cute. Chicks would hit that.[/QUOTE

Just to mix it up a little bit... just saw Rubio interview on FNC... yes I watch Fox, and I really think he would be willing to be Trump's veep the way he talked. He was being baited to say something negative about the Donald and more than once... wouldn't do it. He even stated that he's going to be in the SNL audience when Trump hosts in a few weeks.

Would Trump/Rubio be a formidable opponent for say Hillary/Castro?]
 
For a man who claims he knows about nuance, you aren't demonstrating much in this thread. I clearly advocated not voting third party during close elections, but doing so when there is little chance the candidate you don't want to win can actually do so. It's a distinct, but salient point that ciggy and I agreed on. You're clearly not reading my posts.
That's the same excuse Cons made about not wanting to vote for Ron Paul, because they thought he wouldn't get enough votes and simply help Obama get in. Funny thing, is the Bernie Sanders nor Ron Paul are third party candidates. So once again, your argument is completely invalid, and you just need to admit that you're a partisan hack, and you're useless to anyone else besides yourself.
 
Would Trump/Rubio be a formidable opponent for say Hillary/Castro?
That's a really interesting ticket to ponder. Especially with putting a hispanic on both tickets. Some talking head on the news recently said the GOP candidate needs to get close to 40% of the hispanic vote to win, so Rubio makes sense there. I would have more faith that Rubio could deliver FL than that Castro could deliver TX.
 
That's the same excuse Cons made about not wanting to vote for Ron Paul, because they thought he wouldn't get enough votes and simply help Obama get in. Funny thing, is the Bernie Sanders nor Ron Paul are third party candidates. So once again, your argument is completely invalid, and you just need to admit that you're a partisan hack, and you're useless to anyone else besides yourself.
That's a weird conclusion. Partisan would mean he's useful to about half the nation at the low end and all of it if his positions are correct. People not in the arena are useless. Do you plan to get in the fight this year, or sit on the sidelines again?
 
I can't speak for the rest, but I want her to be President because it will drive you righties completely out of what is lift of your feeble, warped minds. LC has already been reduced to to drooling gibberish at the prospect.
No it won't in my case. I see how the game actually plays. See when anyone tries to tell you partisan idiots that they don't play the sides, you dweebs are so stupid and so brainwashed that you literally can't understand that. You literally can't comprehend that some people see DC as a whole, and realize that the party lines are only in your head. Lets have some history lessons here.......

Bush Sr. goes after Iraq, after Iraq decides they want to stop being our lap dog against Iran,.we go to war, then we go out,....Clinton accuses Iraq of WMD's, drops bombs, Bush accuses Iraq of WMD's drops bombs(using 9-11 to get war support) something that Bill couldn't do. Though bill was still very much attacking Iraq regardless, though nobody noticed. Then Obama continues Bushs' war in Afghanistan and has just prolonged their return home.....Nobel Prize,.......

The game is played the same regardless of who's in office. You just learned a valuable lesson here Chewie.
 
If HRC is the next President, she's going to need help with getting the Dems back in control of the Senate. If the GOP hold both, we're looking at the same ole gridlock. And it has nothing to do with what may be best for the country. The Republicans have spent the entire Obama years fighting absolutely EVERYTHING he's proposed.

The scenario gets even worse if the GOP elects a hard right guy to be Speaker, as it sounds what will happen.

Those damn social issues that the GOP always seems to be on the wrong side of, will doom them, once again.

Paul Ryan's hesitancy to run for Speaker tells me he's torn between bending to the wingers or doing what he knows could help the nation. Damned to fail almost either way because he will be labelled as JB2.

BTW: HawkPrime... why you so angry?
You don't see me smiling here Mitchy?
 
That's a weird conclusion. Partisan would mean he's useful to about half the nation at the low end and all of it if his positions are correct. People not in the arena are useless. Do you plan to get in the fight this year, or sit on the sidelines again?
I was in the fight last time buddy. Hence why I was aware of all the illegal activities going on against the Paul Campaign. Look up videos on it, it's a great example of the corruption in the system you love so much.
 
I was in the fight last time buddy. Hence why I was aware of all the illegal activities going on against the Paul Campaign. Look up videos on it, it's a great example of the corruption in the system you love so much.
Root it out man, bring some suits, testify, run for office, I have faith in you. When it came time to cross the finish line, who did you vote for in 2012?
 
So we're back to square one.

I vote for people who have innovative ideas and who help change the future of each Party, and thus help move the needle forward.

You vote for whoever the Democrats tell you to vote for.

Congrats on being worthless.
See?!!! you see why I harp on the liberals much more? Delusional, insane, ridiculous. Even more so than myself. At least I actually care.
 
Root it out man, bring some suits, testify, run for office, I have faith in you. When it came time to cross the finish line, who did you vote for in 2012?
If I ran for office, I wouldn't be beatable. Good looking, talk the truth like Trump, but not sound crazy doing it, humble background, not so humble back muscles......articulate, crazy enough to be interesting, not crazy enough to push the button. Be careful what you ask for.
 
See?!!! you see why I harp on the liberals much more? Delusional, insane, ridiculous. Even more so than myself. At least I actually care.
Its hard to keep up with these memes. I thought liberals were supposed to do nothing but care and lead with their emotions, hence bleeding hearts. Now we're stone cold pragmatists? Works for me, you can be the pansy party now.
 
If I ran for office, I wouldn't be beatable. Good looking, talk the truth like Trump, but not sound crazy doing it, humble background, not so humble back muscles......articulate, crazy enough to be interesting, not crazy enough to push the button. Be careful what you ask for.
I appreciate how prominently crazy plays in your résumé. What party would you run under and post some pics.
 
Its hard to keep up with these memes. I thought liberals were supposed to do nothing but care and lead with their emotions, hence bleeding hearts. Now we're stone cold pragmatists? Works for me, you can be the pansy party now.
No you crave drama because you have a hard time actually caring. Superficial, hence why you guys gravitate more towards celebrities and such. You fail to see the natural beauty in life. Unless it comes out of the system, you don't feel at one with it, though you never truly feel at one with anything, including it,......

Vicious, vicious cycle.
 
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