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Howe is difficult to listen to, but it's worth listening to those podcasts for Scott's takes. Howe generally just tees stuff up for Scott and lets him do most of the talking.
Agreed. Between them, they take pretty even-handed takes on current landscape of Iowa sports. Dochterman offers balance on the advisory committee stuff.
I don’t care for Howe either, but you should listen. You’re only hurting yourself 😉
It's not a product in the traditional sense, but see where you are going with it. The issue is that Twitter and message boards are not the sole substance of the reviews. The ones that matter the most are the people who go to games, contribute financially to the program and/or invest time by watching on TV. Yes, there is overlap with those groups and social media, but social media and message boards are not real life. And I like social media and message boards.The main problem with all of this is that Iowa football is a product Barta and Ferentz are trying to sell. Social media such as Twitter and message boards are the reviews they are receiving for their product that shows up on the field. When they get testy about the reviews that are coming in what are they going to do about it? It only takes so long before people get sick of it and quit buying or donating to that said product like they did in the end of the Lickliter days. Like it or not there will be people happy, indifferent and pissed about the product they pay to see. If they continue to just ignore the fans soon no one will buy the product and that’s when there will be a big problem.
No, but they are often well over an hour.ughh....ok.
do they go 3 hours like Morehouse & Doch would do?
It's not a product in the traditional sense, but see where you are going with it. The issue is that Twitter and message boards are not the sole substance of the reviews. The ones that matter the most are the people who go to games, contribute financially to the program and/or invest time by watching on TV. Yes, there is overlap with those groups and social media, but social media and message boards are not real life. And I like social media and message boards.
A small amount of people can amplify a narrative or a message that makes it seem as if everyone thinks one way. If you are waiting for football under KF to get to the Lickliter days, hope you packed for a long trip, not happening. Attendance at Iowa home football games is good. Could be better, but good. The team is 2nd in Big 10 in wins over past 4 or 6 years or whatever. Everything is not hunky-dory in Iowa football, but the situation overall is very good.
That's why the whiners and whingers that attack one or both Ferentzs, the quarterbacks and the offense in general are just so much sound and fury, signifying nothing.and the last time I looked, Iowa was doing just fine in annual revenue (ticket sales, contributions, etc)
This is exactly what I've been talking about-Joey is going to be the best QB Iowa has seen in years. I think starting game 1 but our conservative coaches might bring him along a couple of games. Starting by game 3 and he is going to make the offense look much better.
Not sure about end of this year but I’ll predict the insanely impossible that Joey Football pushes a giant Deuce out into the portal next year.
@millhawk
You asked in another thread where was all the enthusiasm for Labas was from KF.
One example is from a Dec 28 column from Scott Dochterman of the Athletic (this was posted on page 4 of this thread).
Some excerpts:
Kirk Ferentz wanted to avoid any of his younger players becoming “internet marvels” and he vowed to avoid discussing their strides during Citrus Bowl preparation.
Then seven sentences into his answer, the dean of college football coaches broke his vow like a flimsy New Year’s resolution and began talking about — of all positions — his youngest quarterback.
“That’s one of the neat things about bowl preparation; you get a chance to watch guys and coach guys who have usually been holding scout team plays up,” Ferentz said. “(Joey) Labas has been taking snaps with the twos — I better quit talking about quarterbacks in the press.
“It’s just been fun, fun to watch him. He’s one of those guys. Not quite ready to start, that’s for sure.”
Ferentz hasn’t named a Citrus Bowl starter and said bowl prep has given Labas “a jump on spring ball.” In the process, Labas’ elevation has allowed Iowa’s primary offensive players to witness what the team’s first-team defenders faced daily with Labas as a scout-team quarterback.
The 6-foot-4, 194-pound true freshman has wowed his teammates with his play-making ability and his competitive personality. That’s not easy for an 18-year-old player in his first semester on campus battling one of the nation’s best defensive units.
The FULL Story:
Why Iowa freshman Joey Labas turned heads as scout-team QB and what it could mean for next season's depth chart
Labas, who has worked behind three older quarterbacks this season, got a chance to practice with the twos during bowl preparation.theathletic.com
@millhawk
You asked in another thread where was all the enthusiasm for Labas was from KF.
One example is from a Dec 28 column from Scott Dochterman of the Athletic (this was posted on page 4 of this thread).
Some excerpts:
Kirk Ferentz wanted to avoid any of his younger players becoming “internet marvels” and he vowed to avoid discussing their strides during Citrus Bowl preparation.
Then seven sentences into his answer, the dean of college football coaches broke his vow like a flimsy New Year’s resolution and began talking about — of all positions — his youngest quarterback.
“That’s one of the neat things about bowl preparation; you get a chance to watch guys and coach guys who have usually been holding scout team plays up,” Ferentz said. “(Joey) Labas has been taking snaps with the twos — I better quit talking about quarterbacks in the press.
“It’s just been fun, fun to watch him. He’s one of those guys. Not quite ready to start, that’s for sure.”
Ferentz hasn’t named a Citrus Bowl starter and said bowl prep has given Labas “a jump on spring ball.” In the process, Labas’ elevation has allowed Iowa’s primary offensive players to witness what the team’s first-team defenders faced daily with Labas as a scout-team quarterback.
The 6-foot-4, 194-pound true freshman has wowed his teammates with his play-making ability and his competitive personality. That’s not easy for an 18-year-old player in his first semester on campus battling one of the nation’s best defensive units.
The FULL Story:
Why Iowa freshman Joey Labas turned heads as scout-team QB and what it could mean for next season's depth chart
Labas, who has worked behind three older quarterbacks this season, got a chance to practice with the twos during bowl preparation.theathletic.com
I looked. I still don't see KF hyping up Labas. I see others hyping him up, but not KF. Iknow KF has talked about him, but it seems to me like he's trying to keep the hype in check because he still isn't caught up to either of the others. It's interesting to see how people read into his comments though. Im not discounting Joey, but KF has not convinced me that he's sold quite yet.@HawkinK.C.1
In the duplicate thread, you stated that you were pretty sure that it was @The Deplorable Sleeping Dog who was hyping up Labas and not Kirk Ferentz.
Simply go up 8 posts and read everything that follows. You will see that is not the case. Kirk said among other things that he saw a wide-open quarterback competition this spring and that he was excited to see what Joey Labas can bring to the table.
To do that we'll need an OC who understands the quarterback position.Play all 3 like Purdue does.
I looked. I still don't see KF hyping up Labas. I see others hyping him up, but not KF. Iknow KF has talked about him, but it seems to me like he's trying to keep the hype in check because he still isn't caught up to either of the others. It's interesting to see how people read into his comments though. Im not discounting Joey, but KF has not convinced me that he's sold quite yet.
I looked. I still don't see KF hyping up Labas. I see others hyping him up, but not KF. Iknow KF has talked about him, but it seems to me like he's trying to keep the hype in check because he still isn't caught up to either of the others. It's interesting to see how people read into his comments though. Im not discounting Joey, but KF has not convinced me that he's sold quite yet.
No, I dont. Not trying to be hard headed but don't see KF hyping him up at all. Sorry. Just like the rest of you guys, I hope Joey emerges and is better than what we have.You don't call what follows KF hyping Joey up before the bowl game?
Im not remaining purposefully ignorant, The hype on the free board is pretty much from you. I just haven't seen it from KF. I definitely haven't read everything ever posted here though and I am not on the paid board. I'm interpreting KF's statement's differently than some of you, I guess. Id like to believe KF is just being coy. I guess we will know in the not too distant future. Sounds to me like KF thinks Petras is out front right now. Hope I'm wrong or Joey makes up the ground.Then you are not a regular reader of this forum or are remaining purposefully ignorant of the subject. Last winter during bowl prep KF said, and it's all over this forum, that Joe did some things that made you "wow". While he always mingles the usual coach speak about experience and learning the offense Joe Labas is the first RS QB that KF mentions making exceptional plays. He's come back to discuss Joe again this spring, also saying unusually good things.
Now KF has hired a QB analyst that is known for mobile QB play "like Joe Labas." That's also somewhere on Hawkeye Report.
The only thing I think I have uniquely brought to the table was from a party where there were a lot of SEP parents, graduates and some current SEP kids/players. That info was the younger players are already bonding around Joe Labas as their leader. Joe was pushing the off-season trips to gyms and fields for practicing throws and routes with the actual receivers and taking snaps from actual offensive linemen. That sounds like tremendous commitment and leadership. That could just be Ram hyperbole but even if just mostly true when was the last time you a saw an Iowa QB rallying the team, or even just the younger part of the team, in January and February?
Yeah ,he said it is open but he also said Petras and Padilla have a big leg up on Labas.There's a reason all 3 QBs were listed on the March 22 depth chart.
The QB job is an open competition, just as KF said last month.
Yeah ,he said it is open but he also said Petras and Padilla have a big leg up on Labas.
The only outcome that would genuinely surprise me is if Petras were declared the starter at the end of spring ball. Barring just a massive leap, I just don’t see how Petras can be the starter again. I also do believe that Padilla firmly believes this competition is genuinely open, or else I’d have expected he would have transferred out.there’s no way Labas passed them up in spring training or even off season. Not against two QB’s who gave starting experience, not under KF. I just don’t ever see him doing that. There’s definitely a possibility of him seeing the field, if (and when) Petras and Padilla fail to live up to the bronze standard, though. Which, if our offense looks anything worse than it did last season under Petras or Padilla, I feel the boo birds will come out loud and strong. People will be clamoring for Joey Dimes, and if it’s his time, I hope to god he’s ready and what we all want.
I looked. I still don't see KF hyping up Labas. I see others hyping him up, but not KF. Iknow KF has talked about him, but it seems to me like he's trying to keep the hype in check because he still isn't caught up to either of the others. It's interesting to see how people read into his comments though. Im not discounting Joey, but KF has not convinced me that he's sold quite yet.
@icwesthawk @dadster @FWIW4922463
That other thread on Joey Labas is fake news. KF has not been talking down Joey Labas; KF has done the exact opposite.
Nevertheless, all 3 of you seem to believe the fake news and that KF will simply stay with the status quo (Spencer Petras). @icwesthawk , you then sarcastically replied, "what a shock."
If you were paying attention you would know that it's quite clear from what KF said just last month that the QB competition is wide open and that KF was excited to see what Joey Labas can bring to the table. Simply go up 9 posts and read everything that follows.