Kemdawg left on good terms. He was still in the room working out months after it was announced he was leaving.
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Why would a guy go from being a D1 assistant at a major program to being a "consultant"?
You can hire as many "consultants" as you want but they don't get to work directly with the wrestlers.
BTW, Kem is a guy I'd love to have on staff but in a fantasy world where there's an assistant coach house cleaning, it would be short sighted to fill every position with a former Iowa wrestler.
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It would be short sighted to think there is only one option here. He can replace a current staff member and then you also go get someone from the outside.
I don't think Kem would move for that but someone like Askren might. It was just an idea to get some non Iowa perspective. Let him keep his club and he would not need to be full time coach but give an outside perspective. Wouldn't even need to move just give some honest feedback. I'm just wondering if money would be well spent to bring in a consultant or two that are not full time staff.
I’m not sure what makes u think this. Askren has roots where he is and makes a ton of money with his academy. Plus Askren is no fan of Iowa and the feeling seems mutual
Some here have been beating this horse for a decade. There is no inclination that the AD is going to push for any change and I can’t imagine Tom pushing anybody out. Typically the assistants are looking to branch out into their own programs and that doesn’t seem to b the case with ours. There are only a few head coaching gigs that are better than being an Iowa assistant.
If money is not an issue, you can hire anyone you want as a coach/athlete in the HWC. We all know the Olympic training centers work with all the college studs anyway. Get him as an athlete (wink wink) or coach in the HWC.
This is a problem. Iowa needs to curry favor with all the elite clubs in the country and AWA is producing elite dynamic talent and it’s such close proximity to IC. This attitude is a mistake. pipelines need to be cultivated not shut off
The beef is pretty one sided in Askrens favor.
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I think he dislikes the coaches. I don’t think he has a problem with the program necessarily.
Either way it’s on Iowa to be cultivating a relationship. He has what Iowa needs. Elite recruits.
My 2cents which isn't worth that much. Sometimes you have to be the bigger person and extend an olive branch even though the other individual doesn't deserve it. Make sure you do everything you can to help out your program.
That said, maybe Iowa has tried this and it was rejected.
Our recruiting has not impressed; we need a change in that department. A Spencer and Bassett every 10 years along with some other decent prospects and a few NILs isn’t going to beat Cael and DT going forward.
Within the last decade M* has interviewed multiple times for head coaching jobs. Terry was a head coach and left to be the Associate Head Coach at Iowa and at this point in his life probably isn’t looking to change. So to say they aren’t looking to branch out isn’t truthful with respect to M* and not relevant with respect to Terry. To my knowledge Telford hasn’t looked, but he’s also pretty green as a coach.
I agree Tom could recruit better, but I believe Tom’s failure to recruit is his talent development. Look over the list of kids he has had over the past 15+ years and there are many many really good recruits that did not win a national championship. His lack of individual national titles is an indicator that kids aren’t generally improving. Recruits recognize this.
Respectfully disagree. You may be projecting your own value system onto others.
For example, a present assistant may value surrounding themselves with more like-minded people or having the leadership role. For these priorities, they may gladly take less pay, notoriety, and fan support.
At the end of the day, the essence of any coach should be about coaching athletes to reach their fullest potential regardless of circumstances. They do this with the athletes they have in whatever circumstances they find themselves in.
Hard to dispute that. Point well taken. But we still need higher recruits consistently so to your point, whatever we need to do to fix it.
You may be right and it’s not an attempt to disparage these guys. My basic point was every year there’s clamoring from the peanut gallery to shake up the staff. And it’s just whining from the cheap seats. Everyone from the AD administration to Head coach to assistants aren’t making serious efforts to move on. I can only think of one time Mornigstars name being seriously mentioned for another gig although I’m sure there are others. And same with Terry maybe a couple. Until it turns into the end of Zelensky’s time there won’t be a major shakeup
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I do not discount that comfort, complacency, or lack of interest by others could be factors in deciding to stay in place in a role despite fan criticism.
Yet some peeole don't like too much change while others may be more adventuresome.
Criticism seems to come with the cpachimh job description, whenever team performance does not meet fan expectation. There's no guarantee that the grass will be greener wherever. Yes, Iowa would seem to be a pretty sweet gig, I grant you that.
I don't think there's any coach that could come in and change what's going on right now in D1 wrestling. Penn State is currently and has been for a # of years what Iowa use to be. Penn State isn't looking for wrestlers to fill spots next year. They're already in the room. I don't have a hard on for Penn State. Facts are they're better at getting and developing their guys. Call Cael all the names you want but I bet he goes to bed and wakes up knowing Iowa can't beat us with the way their putting teams together now. Until something changes Iowa will continue to be a 2nd-5th place team.
But not all "good recruits" are created equal. I feel like they are not good at determining, or at least getting, recruits with the right athletic skills, mindset, and body types for today's landscape. Too many good grinders, not enough good dynamic (physically and mentally) athletes. And then when you have staff who themselves were probably not great 'dynamic' wrestlers, harder to fine tune or develop that in recruits we do get.
I think these are all valid points, and are an example of what other teams do a little better. The Brands are from an era where the college room is where you developed that gritty hard nosed mindset. Most of these high level recruits have already been to several high level rooms, and have competed on the big stage. Tom and Terry were one of a kind wrestlers. Same with Cael. Only difference is Cael isn't trying to create a one size fits all kind of wrestler based on what worked for him. One glaring example to me has always been Assad. Dude beats Dustin Plott in the finals of Fargo, and was just about equal with Starocci coming out of high school. Or Kaleb Young. Maybe not the highest recruit, but just as high as say a Hayden Hidlay. Very similar coming into college. Clearly 2 different careers. I get that not every recruit works out, but there are quite a few examples like that at Iowa.
Here's Example # 1,830,803 that you're a moran:
Kem and his parents hugging all of the coaches, and catching up before the Minnesota meet. There's nothing but love with kemdawg and the coaches. The same can be said for 83%(99) of the wrestlers who graduated under Tom. The quiet ones don't garner clicks.
I would love to get kemdawg back to IC. I've even said he should have strong consideration to take over when Tom is ready to step down, assuming he sticks with coaching.
I also think Nick Lee is gonna be a good coach. My cheap money says he takes over for Carl instead of Taylor. Would be a great young guy to poach if there's any openings in the club/staff.
I will also say it's the Jimmy's and Joe's way more than the x's and o's. Raneys and Mocco would get us 70 to 80% there imo. There's been an obvious uptick in recruiting that I think will continue.
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