Hot take: Connor will play more than 0 minutes a game
Kenyon Murray's Line up to Consider: Joe, Kris, PMac, Keegan, Filip. He Replies "Why Not?" when asked about CMac & JBo coming off the Bench
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Hot take: Connor will play more than 0 minutes a game
You're a clown fan but can you quit putting Cmac in the same group as JBo. Jbo actually brings a skill set to the table that this team needs. Cmac zero minutes. JBo 15-20 minutes unless he is still more concerned with his podcasts than the team. In that case bench them both.
We get it, you hate CM. You have no evidence that Kris was/is better than CM, just the opinion of a father. Funny that you only listen to one father.
I don't follow anyone on twitter so I don't know for sure what all was posted, but if Kenyon is posting who he thinks should be the starting 5, that's a problem. That's a major change to what he's been posting on here over the last year. If he continues to post things like that, I imagine the twins will be gone after next year.
I don't hate Cmac at all. He's probably a nice guy who should be cheering on the more talented teammates from the bench. He may make a great coach some day. It isn't personal, but it's a shame last years talent was wasted. Only an would suggest that Kris wouldn't be an immediate upgrade over Cmac. He can rebound, defend, and score better. He is also likely to shoot better. He would've helped last years team more than Cmac. You guys want someone who can drive the ball. You can't drive the ball when the defense is playing 5 on 4.
Not sure who is going to score consistently in that line up. Murray brothers are definitely athletic, but I wouldn't say they're going to score consistently, especially from the outside. Conor shouldn't see the floor, but he will get way too many minutes. Bohannon will as well, and will need 2 picks to get a shot off if he's lucky, and will get shredded playing defense like he always has. Joe T is no threat from the outside, but can get down the lane pretty much at will, however he is out of control a lot and has trouble finishing. Without Garza its hard to believe this team is going to do much, and if Joe W is gone, things will be much, much worse. Points will be very hard to come by.
seriously though do you really think there is anyway Fran plays his senior son, in his last year at Iowa zero minutes?? that seems very unlikely and realistically not very smart, I agree he shouldn't start but zero minutes??
You have no idea if Kris was better than CM last year. You're no different than someone claiming the second string QB is better. WIll Kris be better next year after Kenyon gets both boys an NBA trainer, maybe so, but we'll see. For next year, I hope the best players play and I believe that will happen. If I didn't then I'd be calling for FM to be replaced. I don't want kids playing because they're the coaches son and I also don't want kids not playing because they're the coaches son. Personally I think CM is still going to be recovering from surgery and if the young kids step up then I think he's switch to focusing on baseball.
Whether deserving, or not, the bright spotlight of nepotism is shining on the program. It may or may not have been issue with CJ, but likely was. And, now a highly respected father is putting out a line-up without the senior son of the coach. The literal clone of very successful player sat on the bench all season behind both Macs.
Personally, I really like CMac. His leadership and fearlessness may be the best on the team, but he should come off the bench for a specific purpose.
We'll see how Fran responds. He seemed to bristle postseason from any questioning. Maybe he needs some sincere conversations with his assistant coaches to compare what his sons bring to the table, versus some of the other players.
Personally, I really like CMac. His leadership and fearlessness may be the best on the team, but he should come off the bench for a specific purpose.
We'll see how Fran responds. He seemed to bristle postseason from any questioning. Maybe he needs some sincere conversations with his assistant coaches to compare what his sons bring to the table, versus some of the other players.
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They didn't end up Top5, not even Top16.
Kenyon is a terrific guy, and the lineup he posted is interesting. But I think he's veering into dangerous territory here. "My kid should start" on a public forum rarely ends well.
Ya I do know; because Cmac can't shoot, rebound, or defend. I guarantee Kris was better in each of those areas last year. Mr. Murray discussed the twins skill sets and how close they were. That is all I need to know. And if you don't think Kris would've been a better defender, rebounder, and scorer you just shouldn't post about basketball. Connor was playing the 4 when he can't jump. JBo was a better rebounder than Cmac. How can you justify that at the 4? Nice scapegoat acting like if Kris is better it's because he got an NBA trainer for 3 months. He walked on campus better, but didn't get to show it. I'm not a Mac hater. Pmac is good and the youngest is the best of all 3.
Who should he play ahead of?
Murray twins?
JBO?
JT?
Ulis?
Perkins?
Pmac?
Filip?
Our centers?
There's 10 guys that absolutely should play ahead of Connor. 0 minutes besides blowouts if we want our best team on the court at all times.
He’s throwing out a line up of talented players with JBo coming off the bench and Connor recovering from his double hip surgery is all he is doing. People read too much into things these days.
What Kenyon said was that Kris has been in this situation before where he's had to wait his turn. Just stop with the complaining about CM. If you have a complaint, it needs to be with Fran, not CM. At this point I trust fran to make the right decision.
Do you expect Keagan to be better this next year? I think we all do, so wouldn't it make sense that Kris will be better too. I'm hoping the whole team gets better. If they don't we're in trouble.
That's why he needs to be careful. Just look at innercircle's posts. He claims that Kenyon was implying last year that Kris was better than CM and now inner is saying that Kenyon is sending a message to Fran that he better play Kris. Talk about reading into it.
I just hope that innercircle isn't Kenyon.
Unfortunately I don't think it will be his last season. What else does he have to do besides join Fran's staff? I don't think baseball is his future
After what we just witnessed I'm not sure how this can be a serious take
I'm not reading anything into anything. It's clearly written there. Both of the Murrays should start. I implied nothing more.
Again...I think it's a lineup with some interesting possibilities and flexiblity...could really work. I'm also someone that thinks Connor and JBo might be better coming off the bench...I don't disagree with Kenyon. He's a great guy who knows basketball.
Just saying that parents of players publicly suggesting what coaches should do (especially when "start my kid" is part of it) can get tricky. Whether it's youth soccer or D1 basketball...we've all seen it.
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Very simple, I don't want to spend the next year being a complainer. After dealing with Covid for the last year, I don't intend on making my life more negative.
I'd be willing to give it a shot....and think that would give us a good bench w/ some nice role players (JBo & CM specifically).....Conner doesn't have Garza to feed this year, so not exactly what his strengths are after that....
A starting line up w/ no CM, PM, or JBo? Not gonna happen bud.....
A starting line up w/ no CM, PM, or JBo? Not gonna happen bud.....
Kenyon is spot on with his lineup, which is why it won’t happen. And I will agree with our ISU fan Stander that if Fran continues to start Connor next year we will lose either Perkins or Ulis. If you watched the Oregon game and think we can start JBO and Connor next year you are insane. As Kenyon said, the flexibility of that 5 on both ends is clearly our best team. Long and athletic on the wings plus a super quick point guard who is disruptive on defense.
I think Kenyon will have 4/5 of the lineup correct. I don't think Kris will start and Jbo will with that lineup. I do think he's right with Patrick taking Connor's starting spot. I personally think Connor should see Evelyn's type of minutes. Come in as a veteran guy off the bench playing 10-15 min but probably wishful thinking on my part. However Weiskamp can throw a screw into the wrench into all of this if he comes back and please all of us Iowa fans.
Starting 5 is of no consequence if top 5 minute getters is different
This is absolutely not going to end well unless Kenyon post a followup saying it's Fran's decision alone.
Bristled from any questioning? Link? I watched several interviews of McC aftet the end of the season and he was friendly and open in them. Maybe you have him confused with someone else?
What? Kenyon was just throwing this out there as a fun lineup that would present matchup issues for opponents. I don’t believe he was saying that it was the only lineup that could be successful.
Connor is playing a limited role next year. Fran isn’t an idiot, he plays connor because he’s smart and good getting the ball to guys in the right spots. With Garza and JoeW (likely) gone that isn’t going to be as necessary. With jbo running point our offense was built around ball movement instead of penetration, this year will be a lot more penetration and therefore having someone like connor playing extended minutes wont be as necessary. Couple that with his double hip surgery and likely not being ready to start next season, i see him coming back when healthy, to around 15mpg.
I think there was a sense on the team last year that it was the "last ride" for Garza, Wieskamp, and Bohannon, and that next year would be the time for the young guys to shine. Under this mindset, they were content to wait. Yes, Connor and Fredrick would be back, but there were still going to be a lot of minutes for the taking, and a whole new feel for the team.
Fredrick's unexpected departure threw a curveball into the situation (though if Legend is to be believed, a few players might have known that departure was coming, too.) It's telling that after the Nunge and Fredrick news, Kenyon tweeted fans not to worry, that there were young guys in the program ready and hungry. I don't doubt that some players likely saw Fredrick's departure (and perhaps Nunge's) as a personal opportunity.
I think Kenyon's latest tweet is nothing more than a reflection of the continued line of thinking. The young guys are hungry. They want to play.
Every year, every coach in the country must manage the internal dynamics of the team. This is certainly true for Iowa and McCaffery this year. The return of Bohannon is another curveball that will impact other members of the team. It will affect minutes available and the dynamics in the locker room. It's easy to see the potential benefits Bohannon brings to the team, but make no mistake -- Fran will have to do some work to ensure team culture is still strong. On top of that, he's got to manage the way having two of his own sons will impact the team. Fran's always been a big team culture guy, so I would expect that he is already doing work along these lines. Here's hoping it's successful.
Fredrick's unexpected departure threw a curveball into the situation (though if Legend is to be believed, a few players might have known that departure was coming, too.) It's telling that after the Nunge and Fredrick news, Kenyon tweeted fans not to worry, that there were young guys in the program ready and hungry. I don't doubt that some players likely saw Fredrick's departure (and perhaps Nunge's) as a personal opportunity.
I think Kenyon's latest tweet is nothing more than a reflection of the continued line of thinking. The young guys are hungry. They want to play.
Every year, every coach in the country must manage the internal dynamics of the team. This is certainly true for Iowa and McCaffery this year. The return of Bohannon is another curveball that will impact other members of the team. It will affect minutes available and the dynamics in the locker room. It's easy to see the potential benefits Bohannon brings to the team, but make no mistake -- Fran will have to do some work to ensure team culture is still strong. On top of that, he's got to manage the way having two of his own sons will impact the team. Fran's always been a big team culture guy, so I would expect that he is already doing work along these lines. Here's hoping it's successful.
I think without Luka to feed and Weisy or CJ to kick to, I think Connor’s weaknesses will be exposed more. That being said, Connor is very smart and plays hard and tough. He has a value with certain combinations in limited minutes. It has been shown that athleticism and quickness creates more success than slow non shooters.
It is the elephant in the room. And how Fran handles it will determine the future of the program over the next 2-3 years. First I will stipulate, all the silliness about Connor not deserving a scholarship is just that, silliness. He knows how to play, and for the last 2 years (especially in 2020) there was value in having a guy on the floor who didn't care about scoring, but just getting the ball to the other guys on the floor who could. But teams just stopped guarding him and he couldn't make them pay (hitting 27% of wide-open 3's).
If Fran insists on running him out there for big minutes next year, it won't end well. There are ascending athletes on the roster who need to play. The only way Perkins, Ulis, Toussaint get better is to play. Yes, "not making mistakes" is a part of basketball. But so is making plays. If Iowa is going to be good, they need to have the guys with the athleticism/length (Murrays, Patrick McC, Ulis, Toussaint, Perkins, Rebraca) play and learn how to balance making plays and limiting mistakes.
This is 100% dead on. I have got to believe that Fran had conversations with JoeT, Ulis, and Perkins about jbo and their thoughts on him returning, and the new role he will play. The way it sounded Fran was the one that “recruited” jbo to come back not the other way around. I don’t think he does that, if like you said, he thinks it would affect our team chemistry and dynamics in the locker room.
This is 100% dead on. I have got to believe that Fran had conversations with JoeT, Ulis, and Perkins about jbo and their thoughts on him returning, and the new role he will play. The way it sounded Fran was the one that “recruited” jbo to come back not the other way around. I don’t think he does that, if like you said, he thinks it would affect our team chemistry and dynamics in the locker room.
There is absolutely room for Bohannon on the roster. Especially with Frederick's departure. If the commitment from everyone on the team is just to winning and not deference to playing guys just because they are older, it will work. There will be games where it makes sense for Bohannon to play less than 20 minutes and other games where he will play 30+. But this can be a difficult situation for a coach to manage.
Is it really saying that is the starting lineup? To me it looks like he saying that would be a lineup that they could play but I can’t see all the dialogue.
I care more about what their uncles think!
This X 100. Seriously, who cares what the starting line-up looks like. Would you rather start and play 12 minutes a game or be the bench guy at that same position and play 28 minutes a game? When you have a lot of relatively unknown quantities and potentially a lot of streaky players, minutes may vary a lot from game to game. I guarantee if JBo comes out some game shooting blanks from the three and getting abused on the defensive end, he'll be benched in favor of some other player. I am 0% concerned about who starts and more concerned about minute distribution.
While I agree with you, read the other posts. People are taking his comments as gospel. innercircle claimed that Kenyon was sending a message to fran. innercircle is about one Kenyon tweet away from storming the old Capital building and claiming Kenyon sent him.
I agree with this. While I really like the lineup of:
JoeT
Kr Murray
PMAC
Keegan
F. Rebraca
The substitution pattern could be a real mess with this starting lineup, so yes Perkins should start at the 2 or Jbo and sub for each other . I’d also not be surprised if Josh O or even Riley M force their way into the rotation. Practice should be really fierce this year, lots of minutes have left the roster and are up for grabs. It’s going to be interesting watching who wins out fighting for them but I love the players on this team. Here’s hoping if Jbo or Connor get many minutes they’ll have gotten them by proving it on the court in practice and not just had it given to them because they have experience.
So here is a question for everyone, did anyone actually read the tweet that Kenyon made? Where in that tweet does it say "starting lineup"?
Bohannon returning doesn’t change anything for any of the other players imo. He’s going to be playing the same role as CJ would have, except likely fewer minutes. Bohannon coming back with Fredrick gone is a better situation for Perkins (given Jordan’s defensive limitations), and has zero impact on Toussaint/Ulis, assuming Fran uses him solely at the two - which everybody is saying he will. Not worried about anybody leaving at this point unless Fran does something wild like giving Connor heavy minutes at PG or playing him behind Bohannon at SG
